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User ID: 36421936 United States 01/15/2014 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Perfect example of how Obamacare was never intended to be either affordable or provide care. It was always about destroying the private option to force people into government control. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
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(OP) User ID: 43993722 United States 01/15/2014 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Perfect example of how Obamacare was never intended to be either affordable or provide care. It was always about destroying the private option to force people into government control. Quoting: Resister Yup. Because the guy I was talking about just can't afford that, and many other americans I'm sure are in the same boat. You had it pegged from the beginning Resister. |
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User ID: 3677166 United States 01/15/2014 01:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I found a new way ObamaCare screws the working man. Quoting: *Evan My agency provides coverage for our employees. We cover the whole premium for our employees, they pay nothing each month. One employee, is a man, makes about 3ok/yr. He has 3 kids. Now to add his wife and kids to his work plan, he would have to pay 500/month. Which, if you make 30k/yr 500 a month is quite a bit. He has never added them because it was too expensive for them. So he asks me today if he can decline coverage, and him and his family sign up for a plan they found, that they like and can afford, on the state exchange. It would be like 160/mmonth for the 5 of them after the government subsidy. Well, since he gets offered coverage from us, his employer, he cannot get the subsidy. Ok, I mean, makes a little sense, but it gets worse... Since he has the option of adding his family, for 500/month, his family on their own do not qualify for a subsidy either. So they must pay full price for any plan they sign up for. So either he pays 500 a month to add them to his current plan, or pay full price for an exchange plan, which would be around the same amount. He can't afford that, so he said he will just pay the penalty at tax time. Made me think, maybe I shouldn't offer healthcare anymore. It kind of screws them all because I offer benefits..... Moral of the story, the Government always screws the workin man Thanks Obama! That is the whole point of the "law" and its eventual goal is to dump everyone onto the government which then gives the government the ultimate control over the average person's life. :Obiecare: |
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(OP) User ID: 43993722 United States 01/15/2014 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree. A few months back, I vowed not to pay my taxes until things change... Last Edited by *Evan on 01/15/2014 01:20 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 52583283 United States 01/15/2014 01:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "We cover the whole premium for our employees, they pay nothing each month." 100% wrong. If they're the employees, then that money comes from their work to begin with. So they do pay. You all just skim from their checks what they all bring into the company, and shill out minimal HC worth less than what you skim. Where do you think your company gets the money from to do anything? From the employees work. And "desk jobs" are not the working man. Sorry. 30K a yr is WAYYYYYYY above average. Check the MEDIAN you nitwit. Do you even know what the Median is right now? Do you? If you make 30K a year, then you can drop hundos on your HC. He's not screwed because his back isn't up against ANY wall. This thread is complete bull. |
*Evan
(OP) User ID: 43993722 United States 01/15/2014 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'd like to know how you can do that and survive. Paying taxes and dying are the only two unavoidable things in life as far as I know. Who knows what will happen. My father in law didn't file his taxes for 15 yrs before the IRS finally contacted him. Then he just negotiated a settlement. I am ready and willing to deal with whatever consequences arise. |
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(OP) User ID: 43993722 United States 01/15/2014 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and I quote: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52583283 "We cover the whole premium for our employees, they pay nothing each month." 100% wrong. If they're the employees, then that money comes from their work to begin with. So they do pay. You all just skim from their checks what they all bring into the company, and shill out minimal HC worth less than what you skim. Where do you think your company gets the money from to do anything? From the employees work. And "desk jobs" are not the working man. Sorry. 30K a yr is WAYYYYYYY above average. Check the MEDIAN you nitwit. Do you even know what the Median is right now? Do you? If you make 30K a year, then you can drop hundos on your HC. He's not screwed because his back isn't up against ANY wall. This thread is complete bull. hahahahahaha You really have very little to no understanding about anything you just attempted to speak about. It was cute though |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52583283 United States 01/15/2014 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How convenient. You're protected by a military regardless, so you're a freeloader. Same goes for your nationally subsidized electricity. And nationally subsidized water. We can skip roads and cops because they're both fucked, but the fact that someone will take a bullet today in uniform for you pisses me off. Sure, we don't need to be at war, but we do it to scare everyone away (the actual truth) and to make profits (true, but to a lesser extent than you'd think). |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2057702 Canada 01/15/2014 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I found a new way ObamaCare screws the working man. Quoting: *Evan My agency provides coverage for our employees. We cover the whole premium for our employees, they pay nothing each month. One employee, is a man, makes about 3ok/yr. He has 3 kids. Now to add his wife and kids to his work plan, he would have to pay 500/month. Which, if you make 30k/yr 500 a month is quite a bit. He has never added them because it was too expensive for them. So he asks me today if he can decline coverage, and him and his family sign up for a plan they found, that they like and can afford, on the state exchange. It would be like 160/mmonth for the 5 of them after the government subsidy. Well, since he gets offered coverage from us, his employer, he cannot get the subsidy. Ok, I mean, makes a little sense, but it gets worse... Since he has the option of adding his family, for 500/month, his family on their own do not qualify for a subsidy either. So they must pay full price for any plan they sign up for. So either he pays 500 a month to add them to his current plan, or pay full price for an exchange plan, which would be around the same amount. He can't afford that, so he said he will just pay the penalty at tax time. Made me think, maybe I shouldn't offer healthcare anymore. It kind of screws them all because I offer benefits..... Moral of the story, the Government always screws the workin man Thanks Obama! welcome to 3rd world America. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52583283 United States 01/15/2014 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and I quote: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52583283 "We cover the whole premium for our employees, they pay nothing each month." 100% wrong. If they're the employees, then that money comes from their work to begin with. So they do pay. You all just skim from their checks what they all bring into the company, and shill out minimal HC worth less than what you skim. Where do you think your company gets the money from to do anything? From the employees work. And "desk jobs" are not the working man. Sorry. 30K a yr is WAYYYYYYY above average. Check the MEDIAN you nitwit. Do you even know what the Median is right now? Do you? If you make 30K a year, then you can drop hundos on your HC. He's not screwed because his back isn't up against ANY wall. This thread is complete bull. hahahahahaha You really have very little to no understanding about anything you just attempted to speak about. It was cute though That's not a rational rebuttal. That a personal attack, and you did not address or correct any of my statements. I take it the concept of natural, rational discussion along with implementing the Socratic method is something completely foreign to you. "Verba vana aut risui non loqui." [Not to speak words in vain or to start laughter] |
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User ID: 43988844 United States 01/15/2014 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and I quote: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52583283 "We cover the whole premium for our employees, they pay nothing each month." 100% wrong. If they're the employees, then that money comes from their work to begin with. So they do pay. You all just skim from their checks what they all bring into the company, and shill out minimal HC worth less than what you skim. Where do you think your company gets the money from to do anything? From the employees work. And "desk jobs" are not the working man. Sorry. 30K a yr is WAYYYYYYY above average. Check the MEDIAN you nitwit. Do you even know what the Median is right now? Do you? If you make 30K a year, then you can drop hundos on your HC. He's not screwed because his back isn't up against ANY wall. This thread is complete bull. You do understand a company / owner must take risks to even be able to offer a job? The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. |
Carnac The Magnificent
User ID: 3560801 United States 01/15/2014 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sounds about right from what I can tell through my employer plan. But... geeze dude... it is your responsibility to provide medical coverage for your wife and kids. Find a way... take care of your family. Have a nice day = GFY. GFY = Go Fuck Yourself. If this offends you then have a nice day. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52935054 United States 01/15/2014 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree. A few months back, I vowed not to pay my taxes until things change... :taxrev: I'd like to know how you can do that and survive. Paying taxes and dying are the only two unavoidable things in life as far as I know. Who knows what will happen. My father in law didn't file his taxes for 15 yrs before the IRS finally contacted him. Then he just negotiated a settlement. I am ready and willing to deal with whatever consequences arise. Same thing with my step father. Only they caught up to him about 15 years before he died. He made a settlement with them and was in the poor house until the end. It affected the kind of work he could get and despite 20 years military service he left this world as poor and broke as he entered it. I understand your principle and resolve and admire you for it. Good luck to you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52583283 United States 01/15/2014 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and I quote: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52583283 "We cover the whole premium for our employees, they pay nothing each month." 100% wrong. If they're the employees, then that money comes from their work to begin with. So they do pay. You all just skim from their checks what they all bring into the company, and shill out minimal HC worth less than what you skim. Where do you think your company gets the money from to do anything? From the employees work. And "desk jobs" are not the working man. Sorry. 30K a yr is WAYYYYYYY above average. Check the MEDIAN you nitwit. Do you even know what the Median is right now? Do you? If you make 30K a year, then you can drop hundos on your HC. He's not screwed because his back isn't up against ANY wall. This thread is complete bull. hahahahahaha You really have very little to no understanding about anything you just attempted to speak about. It was cute though If I was wrong (and I'm not) then you could point out exactly where. But you can't. Because I am not wrong. Redneck conspiracy loser... (NWO resistance! Derpa der!) |
*Evan
(OP) User ID: 43993722 United States 01/15/2014 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and I quote: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52583283 "We cover the whole premium for our employees, they pay nothing each month." 100% wrong. If they're the employees, then that money comes from their work to begin with. So they do pay. You all just skim from their checks what they all bring into the company, and shill out minimal HC worth less than what you skim. Where do you think your company gets the money from to do anything? From the employees work. And "desk jobs" are not the working man. Sorry. 30K a yr is WAYYYYYYY above average. Check the MEDIAN you nitwit. Do you even know what the Median is right now? Do you? If you make 30K a year, then you can drop hundos on your HC. He's not screwed because his back isn't up against ANY wall. This thread is complete bull. hahahahahaha You really have very little to no understanding about anything you just attempted to speak about. It was cute though That's not a rational rebuttal. That a personal attack, and you did not address or correct any of my statements. I take it the concept of natural, rational discussion along with implementing the Socratic method is something completely foreign to you. "Verba vana aut risui non loqui." [Not to speak words in vain or to start laughter] Eh, I just figure, those who want to be ignorant, go ahead. I am tired of trying to educate idiots like you. If you think someone who makes 30k/yr and has 3 kids can afford to drop "hundos" on coverage, you obviously are retarded, or don't work, or both. So why waste time. Everyone else here can see the reality. Why should I care if you can't? |