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"BREAKING NEWS" Federal law says you "CAN" opt out of Obamacare and "CAN NOT" be penalized!

 
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The wording speaks about those "Offering" healthcare Insurance not those receiving it.
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No sense in trying to find loopholes in this Trojan Horse medical monopoly, it needs to be repealed, fully. The moment those who were elected to represent the citizens vote to pass ANYTHING on the instructions "You have to pass it, to find out what's in it", was the moment they all should have been removed from office and brought up on charges.
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You do not have to buy the “federal” policy, you do have to maintain a policy that is compliant which can be obtained outside the federal exchanges through state or private companies.

Without the Law OP listed this would be a single payer system.

This is the law you are missing to fill the info gap.

Little Snip; (a) Requirement to maintain minimum essential coverage
An applicable individual shall for each month beginning after 2013 ensure that the individual, and any dependent of the individual who is an applicable individual, is covered under minimum essential coverage for such month.

(b) Shared responsibility payment
(1) In general
If a taxpayer who is an applicable individual, or an applicable individual for whom the taxpayer is liable under paragraph (3), fails to meet the requirement of subsection (a) for 1 or more months, then, except as provided in subsection (e), there is hereby imposed on the taxpayer a penalty with respect to such failures in the amount determined under subsection (c).

Bla bla bla...



[link to www.law.cornell.edu]
 Quoting: Chrit

Ok. As usual, your brilliance astounds me. Can't you put this in simple English for those of us who don't speak Legalese?

When you're finished with your brain, I'd love to be its recipient. Seriously.
 Quoting: Éireann


It means were screwed and is an inflation based fine based on cost of living index so they sky is the limit as the decades go by.

The fine also counts your non-taxable interest based income as part of your gross income, I.E. retirement account that you are not even drawing from. So saving a good portion of your income for retirement so you can stay off S.S. and you will be punished.

Essentially the entire health care law is an income tax on everyone designed to destroy the middle class and their life savings.


Also forced the poor to sign in to government programs by force or they loose their income tax returns for the most part.

Last Edited by Chrit on 01/10/2014 04:01 PM
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I do not consent. Corporate laws only applies to employees of said corporation, are you an employee of the corp.

Are you using federal reserve notes, if so, you are considered an agent of the corporation. For the law clearly states that federal reserve notes are to be used by agents and banks of the federal reserve and for no other purposes.

Redeem your federal reserve notes for lawful money and be redeemed. Come out of her.
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Just "turn your head and cough". cruise
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You DO NOT Have To Get Obamacare! See For Yourself!

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You DO NOT Have To Get Obamacare! See For Yourself!

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Again, you do not have to get "federal" insurance, still have to get State or private insurance. The law only says federal...

[link to www.law.cornell.edu]
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You DO NOT Have To Get Obamacare! See For Yourself!

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The guy at the bank told me the numbers of people "joining" is false. No one is lining up for any of it. It's faux.

still haven't heard from my lawyer of whether or not I can go against it. my own little protest...all by myself...
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The program is already a massive failure... just like everything else this clown touches.

The only people signing up are people who don't have any money... and they're spanking the asses of anyone that does.

I'm lovin' the ass-whooping my sister-in-law is taking over this... And she STILL thinks the Messiah is going to save them... chuckle
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It seems like we the people, aren't getting too many breaks theses day's, doesn't it?
 Quoting: Gdchappy


We're not supposed to get "breaks", we're suppose to put the smackdown on anyone trying trash our rights.

And even if "opting out" was an option, how about "fuck you", I'll let you know if I want to buy your piece of shit "insurance", I WON'T let you know if I don't want to buy it.
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...


From the Cornell site reads:
No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs.

but I think is supposed to be read like:
No (individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer) offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs.

Basically none of those entities in the parentheses that offer insurance will not be penalized for not participating. Sadly, I don't think they're referring to individual citizens.

But I'm not a lawyer, so who knows. Because I *am* a finder of loopholes and I could *easily* read it the way you posted.
 Quoting: Interested_1

this1 I believe is correct, sadly. Raised by an attorney who was a professional loophole-finder.
 Quoting: snark


Well maybe your right, usually when something sounds too good to be true, it is.
 Quoting: Gdchappy


bsflagbsflagbsflagbsflag

law is absolute and has to be written absolutely, it means exactly what it says.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8996836


They meant it as " people offering insurance plans don't have to be part of the exchange" Only people that really offer plans are insurance companies. Everyone else chooses to buy the plan or not.
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if any loophole is there ... i see it as:

A individual worker that is a insurance broker/ or business/agency offering insurance policy's , as individuals would not need to participate in obamacare.
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So who forces you to use a legal name and numbers ?

Only slaves are forced to use a name .....
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The program is already a massive failure... just like everything else this clown touches.

The only people signing up are people who don't have any money... and they're spanking the asses of anyone that does.

I'm lovin' the ass-whooping my sister-in-law is taking over this... And she STILL thinks the Messiah is going to save them... chuckle
 Quoting: R.P. McMurphy


I stopped by my old work today, they said they have 2 years left on their insurance policy then they have no clue what will happen and they are all worried.

Lot of the contractors who also visited them are in the same spot as me, getting quotes of 1000+ a month plus the $12,000 making it a 24,000 a year policy because they gross a lot even though most of what they take is in only to cover overhead.

LOT of angry people out there who work real hard.
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No sense in trying to find loopholes in this Trojan Horse medical monopoly, it needs to be repealed, fully. The moment those who were elected to represent the citizens vote to pass ANYTHING on the instructions "You have to pass it, to find out what's in it", was the moment they all should have been removed from office and brought up on charges.
 Quoting: Ag47


True. This is right up there with the mafia or Mexican cartels. Extortion, holding hostages to get what they want, and so much more.

The moment Pelosi spewed that, she should have been arrested, and everyone else in the room should have walked.
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The program is already a massive failure... just like everything else this clown touches.

The only people signing up are people who don't have any money... and they're spanking the asses of anyone that does.

I'm lovin' the ass-whooping my sister-in-law is taking over this... And she STILL thinks the Messiah is going to save them... chuckle
 Quoting: R.P. McMurphy


My sister thought that commy ass hole was the answer to all our problems. See will never say she was wrong, but she does not jump to his defense any more. Even a bleeding heart liberal can see that this guy is a piece of shit. I think everyone can see it, it's just hard for a lot of them to admit they were wrong. After every senator and rep. was given a copy of Impeachable Offenses, even they should be able to figure it out!
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The program is already a massive failure... just like everything else this clown touches.

The only people signing up are people who don't have any money... and they're spanking the asses of anyone that does.

I'm lovin' the ass-whooping my sister-in-law is taking over this... And she STILL thinks the Messiah is going to save them... chuckle
 Quoting: R.P. McMurphy


My sister thought that commy ass hole was the answer to all our problems. She will never say she was wrong, but she does not jump to his defense any more. Even a bleeding heart liberal can see that this guy is a piece of shit. I think everyone can see it, it's just hard for a lot of them to admit they were wrong. After every senator and rep. was given a copy of Impeachable Offenses, even they should be able to figure it out!
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