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just want to get your opinions on whether or not this is true. If it is, that would be totally awesome.


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Has anyone ever heard of this law before?
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Amazing that nobody has found this, or brought it up yet.
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If this is true we need to open the book on this one everybody.
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I am going to sleep now, hopefully in the morning we will have more discussion. Good night all :)
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just want to get your opinions on whether or not this is true. If it is, that would be totally awesome.


[link to youtu.be]

Here are the links to the sources-

[link to dcclothesline.com]
[link to www.law.cornell.edu]
[link to go] away/opinion-conservative/2014/01/federal-law-says-you-can-op​t-out-of-obamacare-nor-can-you-be-penalized-if-you-do-2786280​.html
[link to fellowshipoftheminds.com]
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From the Cornell site reads:
No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs.

but I think is supposed to be read like:
No (individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer) offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs.

Basically none of those entities in the parentheses that offer insurance will not be penalized for not participating. Sadly, I don't think they're referring to individual citizens.

But I'm not a lawyer, so who knows. Because I *am* a finder of loopholes and I could *easily* read it the way you posted.
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just want to get your opinions on whether or not this is true. If it is, that would be totally awesome.


[link to youtu.be]

Here are the links to the sources-

[link to dcclothesline.com]
[link to www.law.cornell.edu]
[link to go] away/opinion-conservative/2014/01/federal-law-says-you-can-op​t-out-of-obamacare-nor-can-you-be-penalized-if-you-do-2786280​.html
[link to fellowshipoftheminds.com]
 Quoting: Gdchappy


From the Cornell site reads:
No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs.

but I think is supposed to be read like:
No (individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer) offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs.

Basically none of those entities in the parentheses that offer insurance will not be penalized for not participating. Sadly, I don't think they're referring to individual citizens.

But I'm not a lawyer, so who knows. Because I *am* a finder of loopholes and I could *easily* read it the way you posted.
 Quoting: Interested_1

this1 I believe is correct, sadly. Raised by an attorney who was a professional loophole-finder.
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just want to get your opinions on whether or not this is true. If it is, that would be totally awesome.


[link to youtu.be]

Here are the links to the sources-

[link to dcclothesline.com]
[link to www.law.cornell.edu]
[link to go] away/opinion-conservative/2014/01/federal-law-says-you-can-op​t-out-of-obamacare-nor-can-you-be-penalized-if-you-do-2786280​.html
[link to fellowshipoftheminds.com]
 Quoting: Gdchappy


From the Cornell site reads:
No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs.

but I think is supposed to be read like:
No (individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer) offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs.

Basically none of those entities in the parentheses that offer insurance will not be penalized for not participating. Sadly, I don't think they're referring to individual citizens.

But I'm not a lawyer, so who knows. Because I *am* a finder of loopholes and I could *easily* read it the way you posted.
 Quoting: Interested_1

this1 I believe is correct, sadly. Raised by an attorney who was a professional loophole-finder.
 Quoting: snark


Well maybe your right, usually when something sounds too good to be true, it is.
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It seems like we the people, aren't getting too many breaks theses day's, doesn't it?
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It seems like we the people, aren't getting too many breaks theses day's, doesn't it?
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Nope. :(
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"No offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act..."

But it does not read correctly if the parenthesis are taken out. Parenthesis clarify a statement and are independent of the words of the rest of the sentence; therefore, when you take out the parenthesis and the words between them, the sentence should still be able to be read and be grammatically correct.

This is what I remember, never made lower than a 90 in English classes. Perhaps someone else can chime in?
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"No offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act..."

But it does not read correctly if the parenthesis are taken out. Parenthesis clarify a statement and are independent of the words of the rest of the sentence; therefore, when you take out the parenthesis and the words between them, the sentence should still be able to be read and be grammatically correct.

This is what I remember, never made lower than a 90 in English classes. Perhaps someone else can chime in?
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All I can say about that is many .gov docs I've read are grammatically horrible...
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So true, snark! Main reason I posted my reply was due to the Cornell sites title to the article:

Freedom not to participate in Federal health insurance programs
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So true, snark! Main reason I posted my reply was due to the Cornell sites title to the article:

Freedom not to participate in Federal health insurance programs
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I do think this is referring to the freedom of an ISSUER, be they an individual or company, not to participate in the exchanges. Of course, even this freedom is limited, as any policy issued by an issuer must be compliant with Obamacare (this week at least lol) even if it isn't sold on the exchanges.
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And in a twist, if it is true, Obama did not violate the Constitution (this time). And when he said "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor", it was true, if no one is forced to be on the ACA.

One must ask, why did the insurance companies cancel those millions of plans if they did not HAVE to offer plans with the minimum standards of the ACA? And they knew individuals did not have to go with the ACA?

This would seem to be how some states did not do the medicaid expansion. Aren't states corporations?

These are questions off the top of my head. Gonna have to think on this. And wait to see what others have to contribute to the thread!
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So true, snark! Main reason I posted my reply was due to the Cornell sites title to the article:

Freedom not to participate in Federal health insurance programs
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I do think this is referring to the freedom of an ISSUER, be they an individual or company, not to participate in the exchanges. Of course, even this freedom is limited, as any policy issued by an issuer must be compliant with Obamacare (this week at least lol) even if it isn't sold on the exchanges.
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I see what you are saying!
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just caught the thread title, I'm driving using text type, will read when I get a chance this sounds juicy.
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okay just saw the first video that's awesome.


now how do you invoke that when you file your taxes?
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just want to get your opinions on whether or not this is true. If it is, that would be totally awesome.


[link to youtu.be]

Here are the links to the sources-

[link to dcclothesline.com]
[link to www.law.cornell.edu]
[link to go] away/opinion-conservative/2014/01/federal-law-says-you-can-op​t-out-of-obamacare-nor-can-you-be-penalized-if-you-do-2786280​.html
[link to fellowshipoftheminds.com]
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you rock bro, and this proves to all the crying nancys that CONTRACT LAW reigns SUPREME and they CANNOT WILL NOT EVER FUCK WITH THAT.
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I do not consent. Corporate laws only applies to employees of said corporation, are you an employee of the corp.

Are you using federal reserve notes, if so, you are considered an agent of the corporation. For the law clearly states that federal reserve notes are to be used by agents and banks of the federal reserve and for no other purposes.

Redeem your federal reserve notes for lawful money and be redeemed. Come out of her.
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just want to get your opinions on whether or not this is true. If it is, that would be totally awesome.


[link to youtu.be]

Here are the links to the sources-

[link to dcclothesline.com]
[link to www.law.cornell.edu]
[link to go] away/opinion-conservative/2014/01/federal-law-says-you-can-op​t-out-of-obamacare-nor-can-you-be-penalized-if-you-do-2786280​.html
[link to fellowshipoftheminds.com]
 Quoting: Gdchappy


From the Cornell site reads:
No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs.

but I think is supposed to be read like:
No (individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer) offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs.

Basically none of those entities in the parentheses that offer insurance will not be penalized for not participating. Sadly, I don't think they're referring to individual citizens.

But I'm not a lawyer, so who knows. Because I *am* a finder of loopholes and I could *easily* read it the way you posted.
 Quoting: Interested_1

:this1: I believe is correct, sadly. Raised by an attorney who was a professional loophole-finder.
 Quoting: snark


Well maybe your right, usually when something sounds too good to be true, it is.
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I do not consent. Corporate laws only applies to employees of said corporation, are you an employee of the corp.

Are you using federal reserve notes, if so, you are considered an agent of the corporation. For the law clearly states that federal reserve notes are to be used by agents and banks of the federal reserve and for no other purposes.

Redeem your federal reserve notes for lawful money and be redeemed. Come out of her.
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From the Cornell site reads:
No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs.

but I think is supposed to be read like:
No (individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer) offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs.

Basically none of those entities in the parentheses that offer insurance will not be penalized for not participating. Sadly, I don't think they're referring to individual citizens.

But I'm not a lawyer, so who knows. Because I *am* a finder of loopholes and I could *easily* read it the way you posted.
 Quoting: Interested_1

:this1: I believe is correct, sadly. Raised by an attorney who was a professional loophole-finder.
 Quoting: snark


Well maybe your right, usually when something sounds too good to be true, it is.
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bsflagbsflagbsflagbsflag

law is absolute and has to be written absolutely, it means exactly what it says.
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"there shall be no penalty or fine imposed"

Didnt scotus rule that the "penaly" is not a penalty but is actually a tax?
That would be their loophole.





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