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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2678055 United States 01/09/2014 09:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 42 USC § 18115 - Freedom not to participate in Federal health insurance programs Quoting: EyesWideOpen111 8428065 Freedom of "insurance issuers" not to participate......not " freedom of consumers" not to participate....this law provides protection to the insurance companies to not have to participate in their own plans that they designed that suck..... How stupid are you? Please read this again... |
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User ID: 39729865 United States 01/09/2014 09:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 42 USC § 18115 - Freedom not to participate in Federal health insurance programs Quoting: EyesWideOpen111 8428065 Freedom of "insurance issuers" not to participate......not " freedom of consumers" not to participate....this law provides protection to the insurance companies to not have to participate in their own plans that they designed that suck..... How stupid are you? Please read this again... "No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate" Just so you're clear: "No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate" [link to www.google.com (secure)] |
EyesWideOpen111 (OP) User ID: 8428065 United States 01/09/2014 09:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 42 USC § 18115 - Freedom not to participate in Federal health insurance programs Quoting: EyesWideOpen111 8428065 Freedom of "insurance issuers" not to participate......not " freedom of consumers" not to participate....this law provides protection to the insurance companies to not have to participate in their own plans that they designed that suck..... How stupid are you? Please read this again... You're good at running your mouth when there's no chance of having to pay the consequences for it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 30358350 United States 01/09/2014 09:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here it is, word-for-word. 42 USC § 18115 - Freedom not to participate in Federal health insurance programs. No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs. |
EyesWideOpen111 (OP) User ID: 8428065 United States 01/09/2014 09:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 42 USC § 18115 - Freedom not to participate in Federal health insurance programs Quoting: EyesWideOpen111 8428065 Freedom of "insurance issuers" not to participate......not " freedom of consumers" not to participate....this law provides protection to the insurance companies to not have to participate in their own plans that they designed that suck..... How stupid are you? Please read this again... "No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate" Just so you're clear: "No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate" [link to www.google.com (secure)] "No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52723529 United States 01/09/2014 09:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The law says you as an individual don't have to participate, but penalty and fines for failure to participate will not be imposed on an insurance issuer. So the individual doesn't have to participate, but that individual will still be subject to penalty or fine. An insurance company doesn't have to participate too, but it won't be penalized or fined. 42 USC § 18115 - Freedom not to participate in Federal health insurance programs US Code Notes Updates Current through Pub. L. 113-36. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.) No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs. |
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User ID: 39729865 United States 01/09/2014 10:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 42 USC § 18115 - Freedom not to participate in Federal health insurance programs Quoting: EyesWideOpen111 8428065 Freedom of "insurance issuers" not to participate......not " freedom of consumers" not to participate....this law provides protection to the insurance companies to not have to participate in their own plans that they designed that suck..... How stupid are you? Please read this again... "No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate" Just so you're clear: "No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate" [link to www.google.com (secure)] "No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or I'm with you on this one O.P. This could be a huge roadblock for the 0care crap being shoved down our throats. |
EyesWideOpen111 (OP) User ID: 8428065 United States 01/09/2014 10:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The law says you as an individual don't have to participate, but penalty and fines for failure to participate will not be imposed on an insurance issuer. So the individual doesn't have to participate, but that individual will still be subject to penalty or fine. An insurance company doesn't have to participate too, but it won't be penalized or fined. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52723529 42 USC § 18115 - Freedom not to participate in Federal health insurance programs US Code Notes Updates Current through Pub. L. 113-36. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.) No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs. It says "shall not be required to participate in any Federal health insurance coverage". If you're not required to participate how can you be penalized for not doing so? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2678055 United States 01/09/2014 10:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 42 USC § 18115 - Freedom not to participate in Federal health insurance programs Quoting: EyesWideOpen111 8428065 Freedom of "insurance issuers" not to participate......not " freedom of consumers" not to participate....this law provides protection to the insurance companies to not have to participate in their own plans that they designed that suck..... How stupid are you? Please read this again... You're good at running your mouth when there's no chance of having to pay the consequences for it. Silly internet tough guy....you posted something ridiculous....I called you wrong...you argued back...you ended up wrong.....I would say that to your face in a heartbeat....you don't know me....and I go everyday pointing out dumb shit people like you say to their face.. You read the law wrong and now you wanna fight....ahahahahahaha |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22849365 United States 01/09/2014 10:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The law says you as an individual don't have to participate, but penalty and fines for failure to participate will not be imposed on an insurance issuer. So the individual doesn't have to participate, but that individual will still be subject to penalty or fine. An insurance company doesn't have to participate too, but it won't be penalized or fined. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52723529 42 USC § 18115 - Freedom not to participate in Federal health insurance programs US Code Notes Updates Current through Pub. L. 113-36. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.) No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs. It says "shall not be required to participate in any Federal health insurance coverage". If you're not required to participate how can you be penalized for not doing so? Sorry OP Comprehension is not your strong suit… There are health insurance coverage that is not "Federal Health Insurance" - ie you can purchase from a private company. But you still MUST PURCHASE insurance. Your logic is flawed and your title is not true. but I don't expect that you will understand the difference… so, please carry on... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2678055 United States 01/09/2014 10:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good thread though....it really shows how public education has gone down when these silly children on here don't know how to read properly....and interpret commas....and words like "such".... I guess I expect too much as I write legal documents daily.... This shows how ignorance to basic English can make you a criminal for failing to pay your fine due to basic reading comprehension.... Thank god this was not written into law as cursive....lol |
EyesWideOpen111 (OP) User ID: 8428065 United States 01/09/2014 10:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The law says you as an individual don't have to participate, but penalty and fines for failure to participate will not be imposed on an insurance issuer. So the individual doesn't have to participate, but that individual will still be subject to penalty or fine. An insurance company doesn't have to participate too, but it won't be penalized or fined. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52723529 42 USC § 18115 - Freedom not to participate in Federal health insurance programs US Code Notes Updates Current through Pub. L. 113-36. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.) No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs. It says "shall not be required to participate in any Federal health insurance coverage". If you're not required to participate how can you be penalized for not doing so? Sorry OP Comprehension is not your strong suit… There are health insurance coverage that is not "Federal Health Insurance" - ie you can purchase from a private company. But you still MUST PURCHASE insurance. Your logic is flawed and your title is not true. but I don't expect that you will understand the difference… so, please carry on... Your plethora of words are no substitute for intellect. |
EyesWideOpen111 (OP) User ID: 8428065 United States 01/09/2014 10:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 42 USC § 18115 - Freedom not to participate in Federal health insurance programs Quoting: EyesWideOpen111 8428065 Freedom of "insurance issuers" not to participate......not " freedom of consumers" not to participate....this law provides protection to the insurance companies to not have to participate in their own plans that they designed that suck..... How stupid are you? Please read this again... You're good at running your mouth when there's no chance of having to pay the consequences for it. Silly internet tough guy....you posted something ridiculous....I called you wrong...you argued back...you ended up wrong.....I would say that to your face in a heartbeat....you don't know me....and I go everyday pointing out dumb shit people like you say to their face.. You read the law wrong and now you wanna fight....ahahahahahaha I doubt that you have the internal fortitude to face any challenge in person. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2678055 United States 01/09/2014 10:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2678055 Freedom of "insurance issuers" not to participate......not " freedom of consumers" not to participate....this law provides protection to the insurance companies to not have to participate in their own plans that they designed that suck..... How stupid are you? Please read this again... You're good at running your mouth when there's no chance of having to pay the consequences for it. Silly internet tough guy....you posted something ridiculous....I called you wrong...you argued back...you ended up wrong.....I would say that to your face in a heartbeat....you don't know me....and I go everyday pointing out dumb shit people like you say to their face.. You read the law wrong and now you wanna fight....ahahahahahaha I doubt that you have the internal fortitude to face any challenge in person. Don't change the topic,,,,, you cannot comprehend the words you read!,,,,,, And you are wrong...son... |
EyesWideOpen111 (OP) User ID: 8428065 United States 01/09/2014 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: EyesWideOpen111 8428065 You're good at running your mouth when there's no chance of having to pay the consequences for it. Silly internet tough guy....you posted something ridiculous....I called you wrong...you argued back...you ended up wrong.....I would say that to your face in a heartbeat....you don't know me....and I go everyday pointing out dumb shit people like you say to their face.. You read the law wrong and now you wanna fight....ahahahahahaha I doubt that you have the internal fortitude to face any challenge in person. Don't change the topic,,,,, you cannot comprehend the words you read!,,,,,, And you are wrong...son... I could be wrong in my comprehension at times, as can anyone. I don't believe I am though. At least I'm not a pompous, vile, ignoramus such as yourself. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2678055 United States 01/09/2014 10:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This thread is boring now.....you posted something stupid....and now your just defending yourself with arrogance....it is quite pathetic....so later tater dumbass...go find a children's book about commas....that's a start |
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User ID: 52708011 Thailand 01/09/2014 11:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are you using federal reserve notes, if so, you are considered an agent of the corporation. For the law clearly states that federal reserve notes are to be used by agents and banks of the federal reserve and for no other purposes. Redeem your federal reserve notes for lawful money and be redeemed. Come out of her. Last Edited by talkstory on 01/09/2014 11:02 PM talkstory |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8996836 United States 01/10/2014 07:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | LMAO at all the idiots arguing over semantics here and HAVE ZERO understanding of contract law in this country. THEY CANNOT WILL NOT EVER FUCK WITH CONTRACT LAW, it would means their asses if they do. They CANNOT force you to contract with them, ESPECIALLY if you have made demand for lawful money at the payout nexus from the federal reserve. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 52288590 United States 01/10/2014 08:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey Fucktard....guess you're too loud and stupid to read the law correctly....it says "individual offering" shall not be penalized....not buying...so this law fucks us more and you are spreading more dumbness.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2678055 I'd like to offer you some Health Insurance, do you need it? There, I'm now exempt from Obummercare. Are you going to do the same? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 48157643 United States 01/10/2014 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here it is, word-for-word. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30358350 42 USC § 18115 - Freedom not to participate in Federal health insurance programs. No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs. No 1.(individual), 2.(company), 3.(business), 4.(nonprofit entity), 5. or (health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage) shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 48157643 United States 01/10/2014 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are dumb, but not that dumb. However, if this is not necessary for insurers then they can all opt out without fear of fines. So why are our insurance companies following this bullshit law? If you want to use this law to fight Obamacare, take it to the insurance companies and demand they not participate. |