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Every War on Drugs myth thoroughly destroyed by retired police captain!

 
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Right on

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For all you moralists and retards out there posting about injecting marijuanas and how drugs are destroying our society, take 15 minutes out your holier than thou lives and listen to the voice of reason.


 Quoting: The Myth


I am against intoxicating drug usage, but the retired officer did a great job, and I agree with him.
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Good then YOU should not use them. Why do people like you feel like you need to try to make everyone else like you?
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For all you moralists and retards out there posting about injecting marijuanas and how drugs are destroying our society, take 15 minutes out your holier than thou lives and listen to the voice of reason.


 Quoting: The Myth


I am against intoxicating drug usage, but the retired officer did a great job, and I agree with him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39982034


Good then YOU should not use them. Why do people like you feel like you need to try to make everyone else like you?
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How is it that the person disagreeing with intoxicating drug usage but agreeing with the retired officer equate to them trying to make everyone else like them????
How did you come to that conclusion??
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drugs are not used to ESCAPE reality but to enhance it.


animals of many species actively seek out psychotropic substances...elephants, ants, birds, squirrels, etc etc etc.

so no, drugs are not for escaping...
but for pleasure.

totally natural
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Hahahahahaha

He mentions the tomato plants for glp.

S,art dude btw.
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Hahahahahaha

He mentions the tomato plants for glp.

S,art dude btw.
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Smart dude. Solly.
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execute anyone who takes a drug and there will be no more drugs. that means people who take percocet, xanax, zoloft and shit too. and people are need anesthesia for surgery. execute them all and we can get rid of these nasty drugs.
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they tried that in China. It has never worked.
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
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Our country has very odd policies on drugs. We can't, for the most part, use marijuana legally, despite it's many health benefits and limited negative effects, but we can be prescribed legally for depression Zoloft, with common side effects like sleepiness, nervousness, insomnia, dizziness, nausea, skin rash, headache, diarrhea, upset stomach, loss of appetite, abnormal ejaculation, dry mouth, and weight loss. LOL! Don't forget that you will eventually have to keep taking more and more pills (because that's how the dopamine in the brain works). In addition to those common side effects, don't forget about signs of an allergic reaction: skin rash or hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of your face, lips, tongue, or throat and (more rare and serious) very stiff (rigid) muscles, high fever, sweating, confusion, fast or uneven heartbeats, feeling like you might pass out;
hallucinations, fever, overactive reflexes, tremors;
vomiting, loss of coordination; or trouble concentrating, memory problems, weakness, fainting, seizure, shallow breathing or breathing that stops, and black/bloody stools, vomit that looks like coffee grounds.

If you want to try to get off this SSRI on your own, you will have serious withdrawals.

The reason Marijuana is not legal... according to drugabuse.gov...

"First, there have not been enough clinical trials showing that marijuana’s benefits outweigh its health risks in patients with the symptoms it is meant to treat. The FDA requires carefully conducted studies in large numbers of patients (hundreds to thousands) to accurately assess the benefits and risks of a potential medication.

Also, to be considered a legitimate medicine, a substance must have well-defined and measurable ingredients that are consistent from one unit (such as a pill or injection) to the next. This consistency allows doctors to determine the dose and frequency. As the marijuana plant contains hundreds of chemical compounds that may have different effects and that vary from plant to plant, its use as a medicine is difficult to evaluate."

And that's the system we live in with Drugs. My apologies if this turned into a pro marijuana post, but it's important to demonstrate the inconsistency with which the FDA, and the US Govt, decide what is allowed and what is not. These SSRIs (or antidepressants) have been linked to almost every major shooting in the USA. They are silent killers, and the media refuses to connect the dots. People smoking weed and getting high on mushrooms are not violent. Coke, Crack (which is just cheap watered down coke), meth, x, molly, whatever it is preventative care and drug rehabilitation is the answer for drug abusers, not a jail cell.
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They took God/ freedom of religion out of the country and want to make drugs legal. I'm certain that's not what Christ would want for us.
 Quoting: ~~**lisa**~~


Oh seriously, you are not listening to what the man is saying. He's very intelligent and logical! The war on drugs is a losing battle and always will be! I does nothing but cost taxpayers thousands of dollars and keeps Mexico in business. It's education that changes a society, not prohibition.
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Our country has very odd policies on drugs. We can't, for the most part, use marijuana legally, despite it's many health benefits and limited negative effects, but we can be prescribed legally for depression Zoloft, with common side effects like sleepiness, nervousness, insomnia, dizziness, nausea, skin rash, headache, diarrhea, upset stomach, loss of appetite, abnormal ejaculation, dry mouth, and weight loss. LOL! Don't forget that you will eventually have to keep taking more and more pills (because that's how the dopamine in the brain works). In addition to those common side effects, don't forget about signs of an allergic reaction: skin rash or hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of your face, lips, tongue, or throat and (more rare and serious) very stiff (rigid) muscles, high fever, sweating, confusion, fast or uneven heartbeats, feeling like you might pass out;
hallucinations, fever, overactive reflexes, tremors;
vomiting, loss of coordination; or trouble concentrating, memory problems, weakness, fainting, seizure, shallow breathing or breathing that stops, and black/bloody stools, vomit that looks like coffee grounds.

If you want to try to get off this SSRI on your own, you will have serious withdrawals.

The reason Marijuana is not legal... according to drugabuse.gov...

"First, there have not been enough clinical trials showing that marijuana’s benefits outweigh its health risks in patients with the symptoms it is meant to treat. The FDA requires carefully conducted studies in large numbers of patients (hundreds to thousands) to accurately assess the benefits and risks of a potential medication.

Also, to be considered a legitimate medicine, a substance must have well-defined and measurable ingredients that are consistent from one unit (such as a pill or injection) to the next. This consistency allows doctors to determine the dose and frequency. As the marijuana plant contains hundreds of chemical compounds that may have different effects and that vary from plant to plant, its use as a medicine is difficult to evaluate."

And that's the system we live in with Drugs. My apologies if this turned into a pro marijuana post, but it's important to demonstrate the inconsistency with which the FDA, and the US Govt, decide what is allowed and what is not. These SSRIs (or antidepressants) have been linked to almost every major shooting in the USA. They are silent killers, and the media refuses to connect the dots. People smoking weed and getting high on mushrooms are not violent. Coke, Crack (which is just cheap watered down coke), meth, x, molly, whatever it is preventative care and drug rehabilitation is the answer for drug abusers, not a jail cell.
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execute anyone who takes a drug and there will be no more drugs. that means people who take percocet, xanax, zoloft and shit too. and people are need anesthesia for surgery. execute them all and we can get rid of these nasty drugs.
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yes and them that do coffee, beer and tea too
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If you want to try to get off this SSRI on your own, you will have serious withdrawals.

Quit cold turkey, had side effects for years, now do a one-hitter everyday. No more Xanax, no more SSRI's.
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execute anyone who takes a drug and there will be no more drugs. that means people who take percocet, xanax, zoloft and shit too. and people are need anesthesia for surgery. execute them all and we can get rid of these nasty drugs.
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yes and them that do coffee, beer and tea too
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Industry leaders want people to drink coffee and tea as it's all about production and if you can wind people up to work harder, that's good for business.

TPTB like people to drink bear and watch football, it dumbs them down and makes them into sheep.

Terence McKenna -> [link to www.consciousness-evolution.org]
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Capt Christ is completely correct. The War on Drugs and penalties for possession is just another way to populate our private prisons with people who shouldn't be there. Prohibition supports gangsters and encourages crime.

For those who are afraid of encouraging drug use, the best defense against that is strong families and education, something that has nothing to do with law enforcement.
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More commentary on the 'War On Drugs' from L.E.A.P. advocates in this Rolling Stone article:

Thread: Rolling Stone Magazine: Five Reasons Cops Want To Legalize Marijuana
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I remember an article (believe the Scientific American) in the early 60's that said that drug abuse was only 2% in the late 1800"s and early 1900's. This was a time when Drugs were readily available.
I am a Conservative Christian and believe that all drugs should be legal. Drug and alcohol soared after prohibition; decriminalize all drugs and get rid of all the lettered agencies that will not be needed. Let the Crime involved with categorizing these drugs illegal, drop.
spend the money on Treatment for those that want it.

Prohibition failed.
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Here is your proof that at least decriminalization would work.

LISBON — Health experts in Portugal said Friday that Portugal's decision 10 years ago to decriminalise drug use and treat addicts rather than punishing them is an experiment that has worked.

"There is no doubt that the phenomenon of addiction is in decline in Portugal," said Joao Goulao, President of the Institute of Drugs and Drugs Addiction, a press conference to mark the 10th anniversary of the law.

The number of addicts considered "problematic" -- those who repeatedly use "hard" drugs and intravenous users -- had fallen by half since the early 1990s, when the figure was estimated at around 100,000 people, Goulao said.

More at:

[link to www.google.com]
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The problem is not drugs. It is people that don't want to deal with reality.
I worked at drug rehab as a counselor for quite some time and after witnessing the horrors of drug abuse I KNOW that legalizing anything but pot is not the answer. I think they should let a few states legalize pot to see the effects because it's about as harmful as alcohol.
Here is my opinion on addiction stats: 70% legal drugs, 20% illegal and 10% alcohol. 90+% of those treated started with alcohol and/or pot which led to harder legal and illegal drug abuse.
The problem is not drugs. It is people don't want to deal with reality. They don't want to forgive others or let go of their pain. They don't want to repair the damage they have done others or even apologize for their actions.
Just remember every time you drink or take any drug you are fleeing reality. You are saying you don't like how you feel.
The problem is in the soul and therefore the mind of people.
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Your karma is red for a reason
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FACT: Society will not be re-balanced until EVERY 'drug warrior' is swinging from the end of a fucking rope after the next 'Drug War' Nuremberg hearing for crimes against humanity.

FACT

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The war on drugs is a huge failure. But without educational programs and rehab programs the drug use will continue to devastate individuals and families. I can see both sides of the argument. Most people don't see or even know about all the violence connected with dealing drugs.

Legalization of drugs would take the money from dealers and smugglers. The government would get lots of revenue from taxes on the drugs.

Lots of money would still need to be spend on jails as addicts would continue to do things for money to get drugs and there will still be domestic problems connected with drug users just as those things happen with those who suffer from alcoholism.

Lots of money would need to be spent on education and rehabilitation facilities for those where drugs become a problem.

The problem of drug use as with alcohol use while operating any kind of machinery (including cars) will still be a problem.

The party atmosphere still prevails. The government would have to fund activities to steer people away from drug use. It is easy to say that is a function of families and churches. But reality is many don't see anything wrong with their drug and alcohol use. A lot of money would need to be spent and politicians see these things as expensive and don't work very well.
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Take 1% of the current funding for the War on Drugs and put it into State-sponsored rehab programs and abolish the rest.

The losers would weed(no pun intended) themselves out in no time at all. If that happens to be a family member or friend, so be it...as long as you tried to help them, your conscience is clean.
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The war on drugs is a huge failure. But without educational programs and rehab programs the drug use will continue to devastate individuals and families. I can see both sides of the argument. Most people don't see or even know about all the violence connected with dealing drugs.

Legalization of drugs would take the money from dealers and smugglers. The government would get lots of revenue from taxes on the drugs.

Lots of money would still need to be spend on jails as addicts would continue to do things for money to get drugs and there will still be domestic problems connected with drug users just as those things happen with those who suffer from alcoholism.

Lots of money would need to be spent on education and rehabilitation facilities for those where drugs become a problem.

The problem of drug use as with alcohol use while operating any kind of machinery (including cars) will still be a problem.

The party atmosphere still prevails. The government would have to fund activities to steer people away from drug use. It is easy to say that is a function of families and churches. But reality is many don't see anything wrong with their drug and alcohol use. A lot of money would need to be spent and politicians see these things as expensive and don't work very well.
 Quoting: Dirtyboy


Take 1% of the current funding for the War on Drugs and put it into State-sponsored rehab programs and abolish the rest.

The losers would weed(no pun intended) themselves out in no time at all. If that happens to be a family member or friend, so be it...as long as you tried to help them, your conscience is clean.
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Uh, no. How about getting the 'State' out of the fucking 'drug' business, and peoples business, PERIOD.

Face it, there isn't ONE thing the 'government' touches and doesn't turn to SHIT.
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Capt Christ is completely correct. The War on Drugs and penalties for possession is just another way to populate our private prisons with people who shouldn't be there. Prohibition supports gangsters and encourages crime.

For those who are afraid of encouraging drug use, the best defense against that is strong families and education, something that has nothing to do with law enforcement.
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Very well said, and people that disagree are not using their reasoning skills, if they have them.
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The problem is not drugs. It is people that don't want to deal with reality.
I worked at drug rehab as a counselor for quite some time and after witnessing the horrors of drug abuse I KNOW that legalizing anything but pot is not the answer. I think they should let a few states legalize pot to see the effects because it's about as harmful as alcohol.
Here is my opinion on addiction stats: 70% legal drugs, 20% illegal and 10% alcohol. 90+% of those treated started with alcohol and/or pot which led to harder legal and illegal drug abuse.
The problem is not drugs. It is people don't want to deal with reality. They don't want to forgive others or let go of their pain. They don't want to repair the damage they have done others or even apologize for their actions.
Just remember every time you drink or take any drug you are fleeing reality. You are saying you don't like how you feel.
The problem is in the soul and therefore the mind of people.
 Quoting: thewanger


Have you ever seen the list of animals that get "high" off things they eat? Like bears and moose with mushrooms, hummingbirds with morning glory etc? It's a pretty extensive list.

Even a cup of coffee "changes your reality". The "reality" is that you just woke up and feel foggy. Then caffeine changes that reality for you. Or chamomile tea to help you get sleepy. Even nicotine helps with jet lag.

Caffeine is America's number one drug of choice.

The people that I worked with, and that worked for me who smoked pot never missed a day or were late. I told them I didn't care what they did in their own time, just don't do it at work. The people who drank always let me down. Hungover, late, last minute no-shows.

I don't drink. I smoke herb to sleep. That's all I can do when I'm high and it's perfect for it. I can't drive or do my books or anything that needs focus. It comes from my first career where I worked extremely long hours. My record was a 110 hour week. 16 to 26 hour days were normal. Then I opened m own business and did 7 days a week for ten years. The only time I ever toked was before bed. So it became a trigger. Toke-sleep. The same with reading and I have to change that. I used to read myself to sleep. It turned into a read-sleep so every time I read during the day I get sleepy. Are books a drug? They change my reality too.
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Drugs are EVIL

My friend was injecting DMT's and ganja spliffs in her eyeball, we didn't know till she lost it one day and butchered a litter of puppies and old people and children, then she turned the hammer on herself and pummeled herself to death, cops couldn't get there in time so they kicked the living daylights out of the neighbours.

EVIL DRUGS and JUNKY SCUM
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The problem is not drugs. It is people that don't want to deal with reality.
I worked at drug rehab as a counselor for quite some time and after witnessing the horrors of drug abuse I KNOW that legalizing anything but pot is not the answer. I think they should let a few states legalize pot to see the effects because it's about as harmful as alcohol.
Here is my opinion on addiction stats: 70% legal drugs, 20% illegal and 10% alcohol. 90+% of those treated started with alcohol and/or pot which led to harder legal and illegal drug abuse.
The problem is not drugs. It is people don't want to deal with reality. They don't want to forgive others or let go of their pain. They don't want to repair the damage they have done others or even apologize for their actions.
Just remember every time you drink or take any drug you are fleeing reality. You are saying you don't like how you feel.
The problem is in the soul and therefore the mind of people.
 Quoting: thewanger


Actually, you are completely wrong, we can have a healthy relationship of the mind and relationships with other people and still want to escape this reality, and you know why??? Because of the horrible ways the world runs on gmos, money, greed, war, and other depressing things, its nothing of what the earth intended for us, we should be able to do everything for free by now and not have to work, but since the greedy ones... Have to have their worker slaves, this isnt even living in my book, living to work for money that was never yours or mine in the first place. Our children wouldnt have to grow up without their parents because they are too busy making money at work, thus correcting the pain of years of neglect.... But we are so set in our ways to blame the drugs, have you opened your eyes and looked around at the real reasons behind going to drugs for an escape, if we werent so stressed about making another dollar, we would naturally produce the correct drugs for our bodies on our own... But since that is nearly impossible in this world.... You get my point, i hope.
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The problem is that people are only willing to come out and plainly state the truth after they have nothing to lose for doing so, ie. face, position, authority.

This retired captain is happy to assuage his conscience now, but just imagine how many people he arrested unjustly when he was on duty. HE is probably coming out now because he feels guilty for having helped ruin those peoples' lives over a silly drug charge--but where were his balls when it counted?

Big balls now, no balls when it mattered.
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Spot on
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The problem is that people are only willing to come out and plainly state the truth after they have nothing to lose for doing so, ie. face, position, authority.

This retired captain is happy to assuage his conscience now, but just imagine how many people he arrested unjustly when he was on duty. HE is probably coming out now because he feels guilty for having helped ruin those peoples' lives over a silly drug charge--but where were his balls when it counted?

Big balls now, no balls when it mattered.
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Like I said, public hangings after the next Nuremberg.

You think these people aren't PROFITING big time from the so-called 'Drug War'?

Every lawyer, Judge, Cop, Politician, Media Outlet, Privately Owned prison, CIA drug smugglers, government worker, 'Urine Testing clinic', 'State sponsored 'councilor' etc, have profited ENORMOUSLY for their crimes against humanity. Employing childish 'psychological warfare' against the general public to sell THIS FRAUD.

They KNOW what they are doing, and they 'sell it' to the fucking dumbed down public as 'good for society'.

TOP DOWN PUBLIC HANGINGS. PERIOD.





GLP