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| D0NTBeAfraidEVER
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| D0NTBeAfraidEVER
(OP) User ID: 50133419 Norway12/02/2013 01:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Generally when people get to the point they actually stop smoking for good, its to late they have smoked for so long the damage is already done. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50756441 Thats a possibility ofcourse. One other possibility is that people who quit smoking finally go to the doctor (which they havent seen for years), because they want to start a new and more healthy life. And then they find out. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 49934795  Brazil12/02/2013 01:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the most case about lung cancer that i know is people cant quit smoking and still die with cancer. i think after some 10-20 years smoking theres a high chance to get cancer, doesnt matter stop or not. And if is for you to get cancer, yes, you gonna get it not matter what. |
| D0NTBeAfraidEVER
(OP) User ID: 50133419 Norway12/02/2013 01:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That link doesn't tell you all of it though. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50756441 Lung cancer can exist in the lung for a long time before you realize you have it. The stopping of smoking simply makes it appear quicker, because your immune system is now back to normal. Which helps the cancer grow. Interesting =) Is this scientifically proven? So basically if i had cancer in my lungs, i shouldnt quit before the threatment started? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 45081800  United States12/02/2013 01:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the most case about lung cancer that i know is people cant quit smoking and still die with cancer. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49934795 i think after some 10-20 years smoking theres a high chance to get cancer, doesnt matter stop or not. And if is for you to get cancer, yes, you gonna get it not matter what. what? |
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| Chuck
User ID: 50450708 United States12/02/2013 01:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I smoked for 22 years before I quit. Most of that time it was around 2 packs a day. I quit using hypnosis. That was 4 years ago. Sorry, but no cancer here. I just think the ones you knew already had cancer before they quit. It's not until about 10 years after smoking the chances go down to half the chance of someone who continues to smoker. There is still that chance of lung cancer but not as much if you quit. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 49934795 Brazil12/02/2013 01:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the most case about lung cancer that i know is people cant quit smoking and still die with cancer. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49934795 i think after some 10-20 years smoking theres a high chance to get cancer, doesnt matter stop or not. And if is for you to get cancer, yes, you gonna get it not matter what. what? if you gonna get cancer you gonna get cancer, doesnt matter what you gonna do after 10-20 years smoking. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 50756441 Australia12/02/2013 01:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That link doesn't tell you all of it though. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50756441 Lung cancer can exist in the lung for a long time before you realize you have it. The stopping of smoking simply makes it appear quicker, because your immune system is now back to normal. Which helps the cancer grow. Interesting =) Is this scientifically proven? So basically if i had cancer in my lungs, i shouldnt quit before the threatment started? Well even on that link the Dr is saying how at the clinic there was so many people with lung cancer who had never touched a smoke in their lives. They could have had something else suppressing their immune system keeping the cancer at bay, and then they stopped that which trigger the cancer to grow. Remember Cancer is healthy cells growing in the wrong place your immune system does not kill them. Its as if the cancer genes are already there, the cancer cells already there but are kept at bay by something until your immune system picks up speed then it helps the cancer explode! |
| Golfinsocal
User ID: 16413864 United States12/02/2013 02:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | An Article in About.Com Updated April 19, 2009 Japanese men have less lung cancer even though they smoke more The lower incidence of lung cancer in Japan, despite a higher smoking rate than the United States, is known as the “Japanese smoking/lung cancer paradox.” The debate is not about smoking, since we know that smoking causes lung cancer. The debate is about why Japanese smokers have a lower incidence of lung cancer, even though they smoke more. The answer is most likely a combination of reasons that include: •Lower alcohol consumption by Japanese males •Lower fat intake by Japanese males •Higher efficiency of filters in Japanese cigarettes •Lower levels of carcinogens in Japanese cigarettes •Genetic factors that result in Japanese men being less prone to developing lung cancer •Earlier age of smoking onset in American men •Lifestyle factors other than smoking Certainly, genetic factors are beyond our control, but American men who wish to lower their risk of lung cancer may want to consider limiting their alcohol intake and consumption of high-fat foods. [link to lungcancer.about.com] |
| D0NTBeAfraidEVER
(OP) User ID: 50133419 Norway12/02/2013 02:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I smoked for 22 years before I quit. Most of that time it was around 2 packs a day. I quit using hypnosis. That was 4 years ago. Sorry, but no cancer here. Quoting: Chuck I just think the ones you knew already had cancer before they quit. It's not until about 10 years after smoking the chances go down to half the chance of someone who continues to smoker. There is still that chance of lung cancer but not as much if you quit. Only 1 of 13 people who smoke develop lung cancer. Of longterm smokers only 5-10% manage to quit completly. It would be really interesting if there was some science on how many of these that got cancer but i havent been able to find any. But yes, the possibilities of them having the cancer from before is ofcourse the most likely way to look at it =) |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 50756441 Australia12/02/2013 02:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That link doesn't tell you all of it though. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50756441 Lung cancer can exist in the lung for a long time before you realize you have it. The stopping of smoking simply makes it appear quicker, because your immune system is now back to normal. Which helps the cancer grow. Interesting =) Is this scientifically proven? So basically if i had cancer in my lungs, i shouldnt quit before the threatment started? Alcohol for example suppresses the immune system, when people stop abruptly they can and do die. But that is generally not due to cancer that is a central nervous system withdrawal called the DT's. But how many people quit alcohol, and don't die of the DT's cos they get medication to stop it, and then suddenly get cancer? I think this goes further than just smoking it could involve anything that suppresses the immune system. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 50756441 Australia12/02/2013 02:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I smoked for 22 years before I quit. Most of that time it was around 2 packs a day. I quit using hypnosis. That was 4 years ago. Sorry, but no cancer here. Quoting: Chuck I just think the ones you knew already had cancer before they quit. It's not until about 10 years after smoking the chances go down to half the chance of someone who continues to smoker. There is still that chance of lung cancer but not as much if you quit. Only 1 of 13 people who smoke develop lung cancer. Of longterm smokers only 5-10% manage to quit completly. It would be really interesting if there was some science on how many of these that got cancer but i havent been able to find any. But yes, the possibilities of them having the cancer from before is ofcourse the most likely way to look at it =) I looked at the stats here in NSW I added it all up and found something like only 0.001% of the population of NSW died from Lung Cancer. Did you also know the figures on Lung Cancer are not true? Saying 85% are caused by smoking? It is thought almost half of Lung Cancers are from naturally occurring radon gas because in areas where there is loads of radon gas more people get it. And if they had happened to smoke they will blame it on smoking even if they only smoked for a year! |
| Golfinsocal
User ID: 16413864 United States12/02/2013 02:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...It is an interesting thought that experimental toxicology has little contributed to our understanding of the disease. There are very few—some might say none at all—studies in which it has been unequivocally demonstrated that tobacco smoke can cause lung cancer in experimental animals. [link to toxsci.oxfordjournals.org] |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 50756441 Australia12/02/2013 02:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Put it this way most people who quit smoking NEVER can do it cold turkey, they always ween off it with nicotine replacement. There could be another reason why they sell that stuff not just to help you quit but to keep the nicotine in you and slowly lower it so your immune system doesn't go crazy. That could be the whole reason nicotine is so addictive in the first place to prevent you taking it then just stopping kind of like Heroin. |
| D0NTBeAfraidEVER
(OP) User ID: 50133419 Norway12/02/2013 02:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I smoked for 22 years before I quit. Most of that time it was around 2 packs a day. I quit using hypnosis. That was 4 years ago. Sorry, but no cancer here. Quoting: Chuck I just think the ones you knew already had cancer before they quit. It's not until about 10 years after smoking the chances go down to half the chance of someone who continues to smoker. There is still that chance of lung cancer but not as much if you quit. Only 1 of 13 people who smoke develop lung cancer. Of longterm smokers only 5-10% manage to quit completly. It would be really interesting if there was some science on how many of these that got cancer but i havent been able to find any. But yes, the possibilities of them having the cancer from before is ofcourse the most likely way to look at it =) I looked at the stats here in NSW I added it all up and found something like only 0.001% of the population of NSW died from Lung Cancer. Did you also know the figures on Lung Cancer are not true? Saying 85% are caused by smoking? It is thought almost half of Lung Cancers are from naturally occurring radon gas because in areas where there is loads of radon gas more people get it. And if they had happened to smoke they will blame it on smoking even if they only smoked for a year! Sorry those numbers i posted was wrong =) Most statistics look at the overall risk of lung cancer, combining both people who smoke and those who have never smoked. Based on United States statistics, the lifetime risk that an individual (men and women combined) will develop lung cancer is 6.9%, or 1 in 13 people. Clearly this number would be higher for people who smoke and much lower for people who have never smoked. Quoting: RightInfo Studies in other countries have broken down the risk further to differentiate between never smokers, former smokers, and current smokers. In a 2006 European study, the risk of developing lung cancer was: 0.2% for men who never smoked (0.4% for women) 5.5% for male former smokers (2.6% in women) 15.9% for current male smokers (9.5% for women) 24.4% for male “heavy smokers” defined as smoking more than 5 cigarettes per day (18.5% for women) An earlier Canadian study quoted the lifetime risk for male smokers at 17.2% (11.6% in women) versus only 1.3% in male non-smokers (1.4% in female non-smokers). Hehe and yes i know theres a lot of bullshit out there. Personally i belive that much of the sickness and diseases we see today comes from grief/sorrow/sadness. I belive that many things are unhealthy and many things can kill us, but i belive (in my personal opinion) that we can only be affected if we are in a certain state/vibration or what people want to call it, to recive a sickness or a disease. |
| D0NTBeAfraidEVER
(OP) User ID: 50133419 Norway12/02/2013 02:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...It is an interesting thought that experimental toxicology has little contributed to our understanding of the disease. There are very few—some might say none at all—studies in which it has been unequivocally demonstrated that tobacco smoke can cause lung cancer in experimental animals. Quoting: Golfinsocal [link to toxsci.oxfordjournals.org] Very interesting =) |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 37214577 Canada12/02/2013 02:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That link doesn't tell you all of it though. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50756441 Lung cancer can exist in the lung for a long time before you realize you have it. The stopping of smoking simply makes it appear quicker, because your immune system is now back to normal. Which helps the cancer grow. Interesting =) Is this scientifically proven? So basically if i had cancer in my lungs, i shouldnt quit before the threatment started? Well even on that link the Dr is saying how at the clinic there was so many people with lung cancer who had never touched a smoke in their lives. They could have had something else suppressing their immune system keeping the cancer at bay, and then they stopped that which trigger the cancer to grow. Remember Cancer is healthy cells growing in the wrong place your immune system does not kill them. Its as if the cancer genes are already there, the cancer cells already there but are kept at bay by something until your immune system picks up speed then it helps the cancer explode! Cancer cells are indeed a regular occurance in the body but a good thing to remember is that they "breath" sugar, rather than oxygen. If you want tumors to die off, cut out sugar, especially refined, significantly. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1551413 United States12/02/2013 02:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That link doesn't tell you all of it though. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50756441 Lung cancer can exist in the lung for a long time before you realize you have it. The stopping of smoking simply makes it appear quicker, because your immune system is now back to normal. Which helps the cancer grow. Interesting =) Is this scientifically proven? So basically if i had cancer in my lungs, i shouldnt quit before the threatment started? you should start hydrogen peroxide treatments and take some damn Iodine and Garlic.... |
| D0NTBeAfraidEVER
(OP) User ID: 50133419 Norway12/02/2013 02:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP I am so sorry about your mother. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1408355 It is really sad news. I wish you, her and your family well. Thank you. She will be ok, i know that already =) That link doesn't tell you all of it though. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50756441 Lung cancer can exist in the lung for a long time before you realize you have it. The stopping of smoking simply makes it appear quicker, because your immune system is now back to normal. Which helps the cancer grow. Interesting =) Is this scientifically proven? So basically if i had cancer in my lungs, i shouldnt quit before the threatment started? Well even on that link the Dr is saying how at the clinic there was so many people with lung cancer who had never touched a smoke in their lives. They could have had something else suppressing their immune system keeping the cancer at bay, and then they stopped that which trigger the cancer to grow. Remember Cancer is healthy cells growing in the wrong place your immune system does not kill them. Its as if the cancer genes are already there, the cancer cells already there but are kept at bay by something until your immune system picks up speed then it helps the cancer explode! Cancer cells are indeed a regular occurance in the body but a good thing to remember is that they "breath" sugar, rather than oxygen. If you want tumors to die off, cut out sugar, especially refined, significantly. This makes sense with the earlier Japan statement. Because in Japan aspartame is banned, and they use stevia instead =) Thanks for sharing and please feel free to elaborate if you know something more about this. |
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(OP) User ID: 50133419 Norway12/02/2013 03:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think people that get cancer know it intuitively, then they try to stop doing what may have caused it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16136786 This is also very possible. But cancer takes a very long time to form. It starts as one cell, and then it doubles, from one to two, to four, and then suddenly you have over thousand and then at some point you will be sick. What im wondering is that if you stop smoking, will maybe your immune system be so busy cleaning up after all those years of smoking that it has less time to keep the cancer in normal growth rate (which will make the doubling time go faster) Last Edited by D0NTBeAfraidEVER on 12/02/2013 03:18 AM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1551413 United States12/02/2013 03:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | An Article in About.Com Updated April 19, 2009 Quoting: Golfinsocal Japanese men have less lung cancer even though they smoke more The lower incidence of lung cancer in Japan, despite a higher smoking rate than the United States, is known as the “Japanese smoking/lung cancer paradox.” The debate is not about smoking, since we know that smoking causes lung cancer. The debate is about why Japanese smokers have a lower incidence of lung cancer, even though they smoke more. The answer is most likely a combination of reasons that include: •Lower alcohol consumption by Japanese males •Lower fat intake by Japanese males •Higher efficiency of filters in Japanese cigarettes •Lower levels of carcinogens in Japanese cigarettes •Genetic factors that result in Japanese men being less prone to developing lung cancer •Earlier age of smoking onset in American men •Lifestyle factors other than smoking Certainly, genetic factors are beyond our control, but American men who wish to lower their risk of lung cancer may want to consider limiting their alcohol intake and consumption of high-fat foods. [link to lungcancer.about.com] IODINE is one of the rational explinations Japanese Folk have such high iodine intake from kelp and fish....In america our iodine intake is from salt...wich is like 0.0001% of what we need daily and that is from a whole containers worth. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 16136786 United States12/02/2013 03:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think people that get cancer know it intuitively, then they try to stop doing what may have caused it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16136786 This is also very possible. But cancer takes a very long time to form. It starts as one cell, and then it doubles, from one to two, to four, and then suddenly you have over thousand and then at some point you will be sick. What im wondering is that if you stop smoking, will maybe your immune system be so busy cleaning up after all those years of smoking that it has less time to keep the cancer in normal growth rate (which will make it grow faster) I have heard stories of people with cancer that, after being opened up for surgery were deemed hopeless and sewn back up. The stitches and cut into the body then became infected. The immune response to this infection ultimately killed the cancer. I would think if you relive the immune system from a burden, it will be able to more aggressively attack cancer. |
