Physicists Now Want a Very Large Hadron Collider | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 49851245 Finland 11/15/2013 06:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There's a much less expensive option. The space is awash with high energy particles. There are particles with much higher energy than 100 TeV. With even half of the money that's required to build a 100 TeV collider on earth, one could build space-based laboratories that utilize the naturally occurring very high energy particles. Capture them, energy filter them and use them. |
Face Palmer
(OP) User ID: 1149868 Germany 11/15/2013 06:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 5000 years later they wonder why the fuck we dug mile wide circular tunnels "The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title." Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. - H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 49996267 Australia 11/15/2013 06:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45453076 United States 11/15/2013 06:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Face Palmer
(OP) User ID: 1149868 Germany 11/15/2013 06:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They have worked hard and made many breakthroughs. They deserve more funding. Why are you upset about this? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49996267 I am upset? Sorry, I did not know. I question the importance of this, but I'm not upset. "The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title." Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. - H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29696048 United States 11/15/2013 06:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Physicists Now Want a Very Large Hadron Collider Quoting: Face Palmer When Europe’s Large Hadron Collider (LHC) started up in 2008, particle physicists would not have dreamt of asking for something bigger until they got their US$5-billion machine to work. But with the 2012 discovery of the Higgs boson, the LHC has fulfilled its original promise — and physicists are beginning to get excited about designing a machine that might one day succeed it: the Very Large Hadron Collider (VLHC). “It’s only prudent to try to sketch a vision decades into the future,” says Michael Peskin, a theoretical physicist at SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory in Menlo Park, California, who presented the VLHC concept to a US government advisory panel on 2 November. The giant machine would dwarf all of its predecessors (see ‘Lord of the rings’). It would collide protons at energies around 100 teraelectronvolts (TeV), compared with the planned 14 TeV of the LHC at CERN, Europe’s particle-physics lab near Geneva in Switzerland. And it would require a tunnel 80–100 kilometers around, compared with the LHC’s 27-km circumference. For the past decade or so, there has been little research money available worldwide to develop the concept. But this summer, at the Snowmass meeting in Minneapolis, Minnesota — where hundreds of particle physicists assembled to dream up machines for their field’s long-term future — the VLHC concept stood out as a favorite. [link to www.scientificamerican.com] As long as Europe is paying for it.....sounds good. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 49851245 Finland 11/15/2013 06:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Face Palmer
(OP) User ID: 1149868 Germany 11/15/2013 06:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think you can import things like this from China "The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title." Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. - H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 49851245 Finland 11/15/2013 06:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
BadMoonRisen
User ID: 42411020 United Kingdom 11/15/2013 06:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They have worked hard and made many breakthroughs. They deserve more funding. Why are you upset about this? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49996267 Absolute fucking waste of time and money. Big boys toys. If you are depressed, you are living in the past. If you are anxious, you are living in the future. If you are at peace, you are living in the present. [link to www.inmomsbasement.com] The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3631265 United States 11/15/2013 06:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Face Palmer
(OP) User ID: 1149868 Germany 11/15/2013 06:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tell me about it! "The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title." Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. - H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 50011616 United States 11/15/2013 06:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 50011060 United Kingdom 11/15/2013 06:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
UnmannedAerialPilot
User ID: 49567754 United States 11/15/2013 06:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They have worked hard and made many breakthroughs. They deserve more funding. Why are you upset about this? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49996267 Lies. Name one discovery in the LHC that has helped to improve upon the average persons life. How does anything they do help in the fight on world hunger? How many diseases are they curing? What was the great breakthrough on reversing the effects of radiation poisoning? These are guys with brains much too large for their own good, and egos even bigger. If tesla were given the money these fools had, and granted the freedom to spend it however he wanted, we would be riding trains to the moon by now. These guys are just big kids with their daddy's credit card, and no sense of purpose, besides trying to prove godless theories on where we all came from. Waste of time, space and of course taxpayer money, IMHO. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 49968076 Russia 11/15/2013 07:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lies. Name one discovery in the LHC that has helped to improve upon the average persons life. How does anything they do help in the fight on world hunger? How many diseases are they curing? What was the great breakthrough on reversing the effects of radiation poisoning? Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot These are guys with brains much too large for their own good, and egos even bigger. If tesla were given the money these fools had, and granted the freedom to spend it however he wanted, we would be riding trains to the moon by now. These guys are just big kids with their daddy's credit card, and no sense of purpose, besides trying to prove godless theories on where we all came from. Waste of time, space and of course taxpayer money, IMHO. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32069520 United States 11/15/2013 07:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 49931644 Japan 11/15/2013 07:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
pi
User ID: 47540115 Canada 11/15/2013 07:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
eekers
Dreamer of Dreams User ID: 38137469 United States 11/15/2013 07:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When I worked with the university some years ago, we were in touch with some of the CERN scientists and I saw lots of pictures of that thing. There were underground tunnels and everything for it. How big does it have to be?! "We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." - T. S. Eliot |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 49851245 Finland 11/15/2013 07:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They have worked hard and made many breakthroughs. They deserve more funding. Why are you upset about this? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49996267 Lies. Name one discovery in the LHC that has helped to improve upon the average persons life. How does anything they do help in the fight on world hunger? How many diseases are they curing? What was the great breakthrough on reversing the effects of radiation poisoning? These are guys with brains much too large for their own good, and egos even bigger. If tesla were given the money these fools had, and granted the freedom to spend it however he wanted, we would be riding trains to the moon by now. These guys are just big kids with their daddy's credit card, and no sense of purpose, besides trying to prove godless theories on where we all came from. Waste of time, space and of course taxpayer money, IMHO. You can never predict what useful comes out of science, because the discoveries made this year may very well be the foundation for a technological breakthrough in 10-20 years. Lasers are a great example. They came out of purely fundamental research with no plans for applications even after the discovery of stimulated emission of radiation. Yet, this fundamental science (=knowledge) was utilized by other people to bring on the optoelectronic revolution - it only took decades to materialize. Hence, all new knowledge is valuable, because it is the only way technology can progress in the long term. Cut "useless" fundamental science and we'll find ourselves in a technological dead-end within a couple of decades. Besides, the money spent on LHC or other large science projects is miniscule to the money spent on destruction of human life, entertainment or other projects that most definitely won't cure cancer or fix the world hunger. Here's a comparison of LHC funding and other projects that most definitely don't address the issues you mentioned. [link to scienceogram.org] It's a false dichotomy to compare science funding and helping people starving somewhere. We can do both. If LHC went suddenly unfunded, the money most certainly wouldn't go to feeding people or curing cancer. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32069520 United States 11/15/2013 07:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | daaaang! Isn't it big enough already?!!?!? Quoting: eekers When I worked with the university some years ago, we were in touch with some of the CERN scientists and I saw lots of pictures of that thing. There were underground tunnels and everything for it. How big does it have to be?! The one in Texas is bigger but we never finished it. [link to www.amusingplanet.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 50011060 United Kingdom 11/15/2013 07:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They have worked hard and made many breakthroughs. They deserve more funding. Why are you upset about this? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49996267 Lies. Name one discovery in the LHC that has helped to improve upon the average persons life. How does anything they do help in the fight on world hunger? How many diseases are they curing? What was the great breakthrough on reversing the effects of radiation poisoning? These are guys with brains much too large for their own good, and egos even bigger. If tesla were given the money these fools had, and granted the freedom to spend it however he wanted, we would be riding trains to the moon by now. These guys are just big kids with their daddy's credit card, and no sense of purpose, besides trying to prove godless theories on where we all came from. Waste of time, space and of course taxpayer money, IMHO. There will always be poverty and hunger. It doesn't mean we shouldn't stop looking for the nature of the world. Still like I said the real reason is to make half integer time messaging possible.to be able to send a message back from the future. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 49931644 Japan 11/15/2013 07:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They have worked hard and made many breakthroughs. They deserve more funding. Why are you upset about this? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49996267 Lies. Name one discovery in the LHC that has helped to improve upon the average persons life. How does anything they do help in the fight on world hunger? How many diseases are they curing? What was the great breakthrough on reversing the effects of radiation poisoning? These are guys with brains much too large for their own good, and egos even bigger. If tesla were given the money these fools had, and granted the freedom to spend it however he wanted, we would be riding trains to the moon by now. These guys are just big kids with their daddy's credit card, and no sense of purpose, besides trying to prove godless theories on where we all came from. Waste of time, space and of course taxpayer money, IMHO. You can never predict what useful comes out of science, because the discoveries made this year may very well be the foundation for a technological breakthrough in 10-20 years. Lasers are a great example. They came out of purely fundamental research with no plans for applications even after the discovery of stimulated emission of radiation. Yet, this fundamental science (=knowledge) was utilized by other people to bring on the optoelectronic revolution - it only took decades to materialize. Hence, all new knowledge is valuable, because it is the only way technology can progress in the long term. Cut "useless" fundamental science and we'll find ourselves in a technological dead-end within a couple of decades. Besides, the money spent on LHC or other large science projects is miniscule to the money spent on destruction of human life, entertainment or other projects that most definitely won't cure cancer or fix the world hunger. Here's a comparison of LHC funding and other projects that most definitely don't address the issues you mentioned. [link to scienceogram.org] It's a false dichotomy to compare science funding and helping people starving somewhere. We can do both. If LHC went suddenly unfunded, the money most certainly wouldn't go to feeding people or curing cancer. They will not understand you, because they don't want, they are lazy to understand your point of View and/ or they are just plain Stupidos! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25811859 United States 11/15/2013 07:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They have worked hard and made many breakthroughs. They deserve more funding. Why are you upset about this? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49996267 Lies. Name one discovery in the LHC that has helped to improve upon the average persons life. How does anything they do help in the fight on world hunger? How many diseases are they curing? What was the great breakthrough on reversing the effects of radiation poisoning? These are guys with brains much too large for their own good, and egos even bigger. If tesla were given the money these fools had, and granted the freedom to spend it however he wanted, we would be riding trains to the moon by now. These guys are just big kids with their daddy's credit card, and no sense of purpose, besides trying to prove godless theories on where we all came from. Waste of time, space and of course taxpayer money, IMHO. you moron, thats like saying how does general relativity help the average person? It's the fucking pillar of modern physics along with quantum mechanics which engineers work off of to make the average persons life better! Computers, GPS, MEDICAL EQUIPMENT!! moron |
Face Palmer
(OP) User ID: 1149868 Germany 11/15/2013 07:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are you talking about the unfinished one in Texas? It's a big one. Used to live not very far from it. No, like we are scratching our heads about the pyramids, future generations may find these tunnels and wonder. "The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title." Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. - H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25811859 United States 11/15/2013 07:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They have worked hard and made many breakthroughs. They deserve more funding. Why are you upset about this? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49996267 Lies. Name one discovery in the LHC that has helped to improve upon the average persons life. How does anything they do help in the fight on world hunger? How many diseases are they curing? What was the great breakthrough on reversing the effects of radiation poisoning? These are guys with brains much too large for their own good, and egos even bigger. If tesla were given the money these fools had, and granted the freedom to spend it however he wanted, we would be riding trains to the moon by now. These guys are just big kids with their daddy's credit card, and no sense of purpose, besides trying to prove godless theories on where we all came from. Waste of time, space and of course taxpayer money, IMHO. you moron, thats like saying how does general relativity help the average person? It's the fucking pillar of modern physics along with quantum mechanics which engineers work off of to make the average persons life better! Computers, GPS, MEDICAL EQUIPMENT!! moron |
UnmannedAerialPilot
User ID: 49567754 United States 11/15/2013 07:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They have worked hard and made many breakthroughs. They deserve more funding. Why are you upset about this? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49996267 Lies. Name one discovery in the LHC that has helped to improve upon the average persons life. How does anything they do help in the fight on world hunger? How many diseases are they curing? What was the great breakthrough on reversing the effects of radiation poisoning? These are guys with brains much too large for their own good, and egos even bigger. If tesla were given the money these fools had, and granted the freedom to spend it however he wanted, we would be riding trains to the moon by now. These guys are just big kids with their daddy's credit card, and no sense of purpose, besides trying to prove godless theories on where we all came from. Waste of time, space and of course taxpayer money, IMHO. you moron, thats like saying how does general relativity help the average person? It's the fucking pillar of modern physics along with quantum mechanics which engineers work off of to make the average persons life better! Computers, GPS, MEDICAL EQUIPMENT!! moron The only thing worse than the ego of man is his refusal to admit it. You guys are nuts if you truly believe these wackos are doing anything useful and I can't believe you are comparing their work to Einsteins. Are you kidding me? turn off the tv kids, the trite is running out of your ears... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30191461 Australia 11/15/2013 07:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32069520 United States 11/15/2013 07:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are you talking about the unfinished one in Texas? It's a big one. Used to live not very far from it. No, like we are scratching our heads about the pyramids, future generations may find these tunnels and wonder. Yeah. I see what you mean. Would love to have a time travel machine to find out about stuff... |