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Message Subject Cosmic Turf War: You'll never see the Old Testament the same again
Poster Handle Eliyahu
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I find your human tradition about Jesus far less credible than that you allege to be the case with the Bible.

Not only is your view a mainstay of aberrant groups claiming to be Christian, it is easily debunked. Have you never read even the first chapter of Hebrews? How about the eyewitness accounts we call the Gospels?

The logic of your argument is also fallacious, as it argues that "the sons of God" in their contexts must be identical to "the Son of God" in their contexts. Jesus also called himself "the son of man", yet what angel was ever really human?

And that verse from Ephesians doesn't even support your claim, since it speaks of MALEVOLENT entities that we "wrestle against". You cannot use scripture (which you called "human tradition") only when you think you can twist it to your advantage, so I can quote the scriptures that contradict your claims.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Yes, I've read the 1st chapter of Hebrews. I quoted from it in my post. Here are another couple of tidbits from Hebrews that destroy the Trinity fallacy foisted on most Christians:

HEBREWS 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that he, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.
10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation PERFECT through sufferings. (NKJV)

HEBREWS 5:6 As He also says in another place: "You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek";
7 who, in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save him from death, and was heard because of his godly fear,
8 though he was a son, yet he LEARNED obedience by the things which he suffered.
9 And having been PERFECTED, he became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey him,
10 called by God as High Priest "according to the order of Melchizedek,"
11 of whom we have much to say, and hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. (NKJV)

The author of Hebrews states that Messiah LEARNED from his suffering as a human and was PERFECTED(i.e., "completed") by it. It's hard to see how these statements fit with the co-equal, co-eternal status conferred to Jesus by the Trinity dogma.

Understanding the true nature of the Messiah doesn't denigrate him. To the contrary, it elevates him to a new level after his willing sacrifice for humanity. This elevation is mentioned several times in the Bible. Here is one from Paul:

PHILIPPIANS 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
9 Therefore God also has highly exalted him and given him the name which is above every name, (NKJV)

Drop your preconceived notions and read the text for what it actually says...
 
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