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Cosmic Turf War: You'll never see the Old Testament the same again

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I also see your trying to push your other thread up the ratings.
You should be banned from doing this.
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I also see your trying to push your other thread up the ratings.
You should be banned from doing this OP.
We only come to your threads to hear from fractalman.
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I also see your trying to push your other thread up the ratings.
You should be banned from doing this OP.
We only come to your threads to hear from fractalman.
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OP.
Why are you responding to yourself?
Your IP source is the same.
Boosting your own threads is banned.
Ban OP ?



















Go Fractalman!!!
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OP.
Why are you responding to yourself?
Your IP source is the same.
Boosting your own threads is banned.
Ban OP ?


















Go Fractalman!!!
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Video notes:

The speaker debunks the "serpent seed" theory as arising mostly out of rabbinical/Talmudic misogyny than anything else. There is no backing in the Biblical text for Eve bearing children with the serpent (or as the speaker says, "serpentine being"), esp. since the text states point blank that Eve bore Cain from Adam.

Also, he shows that someone named Gardener who teaches the "serpent seed" theory, deliberately omitted a large portion of the verse he quotes to make his claim.

(So much for the charge of this talk being "Zionist", since the speaker dismisses the Talmud.)

This is on the first 20 min. of the talk. I will try to post something about each 20 min.

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The 2nd 20 min. continues details regarding the "serpent seed" argument, then toward the end of that segment he covers more on the "sons of God, daughters of men" issue. He argues that the voluntary nature of the unions is how the Biblical focus on blaming humans for the sin leading to the Flood can be reconciled with the book of Enoch's blame on "the watchers". In other words, the blame is shared.

Also, he briefly touches on the phrase "and afterwards", referring to the giants. Some question how the giants could be on the earth after the Flood which was designed to wipe them out, and they speculate that maybe Noah or one of his sons or their wives had giant DNA. But this speaker believes instead that it was a simple case of the Watchers picking up where they had left off, since the Bible specifies that Noah "was perfect in his generations", meaning he was fully human. This is covered more in the next segment, as I recall.

There are some interesting implications from this. As the speaker explains, these beings were also called Titans by non-Jewish people. I believe this explains the belief in ancient mythological beings such as the Greek pantheon. And this would mean that the Watchers, who according to the NT "had left their proper realm", had not been imprisoned in Tartarus until this second defiling of mankind.

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Third 20 min. segment notes:

-- Nephilim does not mean "fallen ones" or even "sons of God, but "giants", the hybrid human/Watcher offspring.

-- Many theologians "strip mine" all the supernatural from the Bible, so they dismiss out of hand any and all evidence for any supernatural beings beyond God and Satan.

-- Also goes over a text telling of an argument between Lamech and his wife over whether Noah was his son or whether she had been fooling around with Watchers; she finally has him go ask Enoch, who apparently vouched for her.

-- Says Nimrod was a giant, and many believe he was the instigator of the building of the Tower of Babel.

-- On Gnosticism: Only the non-Jews considered the Watchers/Nephilim the "good guys", and the speaker thus calls it "Watcher theology". This is the source of the Luciferian claim that Lucifer and realted entities are the real good gods and Elohim/YHWY is the bad one.

-- Begins to explain the two lines: serpentine and godly, evil and good, seed of Satan and seed of the woman.

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Final 20 min. segment notes:

-- After the Flood, God had simply said "Be fruitful and multiply", but eventually people decided to not spread out but build a tower and sit in one place. This led to God setting up national boundaries by language "according to the number of the 'sons of God'" (Septuagint [Greek] text). That is, God was giving people what they wanted: to be ruled by the Watchers according to their territories. This is the origin of the concept of regional gods in ancient mythology. The Watchers had given humans technology in exchange for being worshiped as gods.

-- But God reserved one territory for himself: the Promised Land. And he selected Abraham, then Isaac, and Jacob, to produce a nation separate from all the rest, purely human and worshiping the one true God. This is NOT the "Zionism" of the Kabbalists, rabbis, or Talmudists, but a people and land that God reserves as a thorn in the flesh of the Watchers and their people.

-- Now you know why God was completely justified in having his people wipe out every last living thing in the territory God had selected for his own (which included a group whose name meant "serpentine" as well as some giants). This is one reason why everybody hates the Jews and wants to conquer the land of Israel. But keep in mind that regardless of the condition or origin of the modern state of Israel, it is God's land, and those who are genetically descended from Jacob are God's people. They have been punished for faithlessness before, and they will be punished again.

-- Interesting perspective on the account of Naaman and his going to Elisha to be healed of leprosy. After his healing, he asked to take a bag of dirt from Israel back to his homeland, a seeming bizarre request. But think of it in light of the previous discussion about territory. He wanted to stand on it when forced to bow to the gods of his country.

-- The valley of the Rephaim was the origin of the name Gehenna, and aptly described the Hebrew concept of "hell": a place of frightening beings and certain doom. The people of Jesus' day used it also to describe their always-burning garbage dump, but that was not the origin of the name or the concept.

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Can everyone report OP for trying to boost his own green karma by reporting everyone that questions him,as an abusive post.



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Reported him for both his posts

1.Trying to boost his green karma by reporting everyone as an abusive poster.

2. Double posting to move up the rankings.


What say you administrators?
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Would appreciate other posters reporting too.
anyone there???????
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OP seems to have disappeared.
Has he been banned?
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OP seems to have disappeared.
Has he been banned?
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I hope so.
To full of hatred for his fellow man and rude and abusive.
HELLLLOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!​!!
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Reported him for both his posts

1.Trying to boost his green karma by reporting everyone as an abusive poster.

2. Double posting to move up the rankings.


What say you administrators?
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THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!!!!!!
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Reported him for both his posts

1.Trying to boost his green karma by reporting everyone as an abusive poster.

2. Double posting to move up the rankings.


What say you administrators?
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THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!!!!!!
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I think satan came for him.
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BOO!!!!
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hahahahaha!
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BOO!!!!
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Satan did not want him.
Too evil for Satan.
I suggest we abandon OP and watch his thread disappear.......
Bye Satans follower
LOL.
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BOO!!!!
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Satan did not want him.
Too evil for Satan.
I suggest we abandon OP and watch his thread disappear.......
Bye Satans follower
LOL.
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Agreed,keepe2thecode is a toad.
Bye toad.
Bye.
Hope to see fractalman soon...........
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I'm gone too.

I will never visit his threads again.



It will now fall.....He hates that.Perhaps he will reply to himself again?



Adios devil worshiper.
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I'm gone too.

I will never visit his threads again.



It will now fall.....He hates that.Perhaps he will reply to himself again?

He is being watched though,banned soon?Hope so!

Adios devil worshiper.
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I'm gone too.

I will never visit his threads again.



It will now fall.....He hates that.Perhaps he will reply to himself again?

He is being watched though,banned soon?Hope so!

Adios devil worshiper.
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watch how many anon posters reply to him.


Talk to your self much keep2thecode?


LOL.

Goodbye
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Good Morning K2. Back on page 1 I see:-). Good!!! Right where it belongs. Have to say this subject sure seems to scare some "folks"

Rushed for time this morning but will return soon as I can.

God Bless
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Good Morning K2. Back on page 1 I see:-). Good!!! Right where it belongs. Have to say this subject sure seems to scare some "folks"

Rushed for time this morning but will return soon as I can.

God Bless
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Yes, and it's getting absolutely comical. See you soon!
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Hello again Brother. So I watched that video last night titled Unholy Communion. Was a good video on the subject of abductions and how people have been able to stop these abductions with Faith in Jesus. Pretty sure it is from the 80's. I'd recommend people watch it but it is not really keeping to the subject here so I won't post a link. Easy to find on youtube if anyone is interested.

Have you found other material on the subject? I prefer video's but anything would be great.

I see it's been a bit slow since I posted earlier :-). I'd say it amazed me how you and this subject have been attacked but I'm not. The absolute fear of this being exposed and getting attention just shows its importance.

Think I'll do some more searching for material on subject. There has to be more :-)

Talk to you in a few

God Bless
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I came across this video lecture a few hours ago and just finished watching it. It's a 1-1/2 hour lecture on the Old Testament from Michael Heiser, someone I've never heard of before but who seems to know what he's talking about. He sheds such bright light on the texts as to blow away a lot of things that didn't quite add up before or were hard to figure out. Subjects the lecture impacts include:

-- The Nephalim, the Watchers, and the Giants
-- What Jesus meant in Mat. 24 by "marrying and giving in marriage"
-- The REAL reason God had Israel wipe entire nations off the map, including children and animals

I strongly urge you to give this video priority over all the crap people usually watch, as it debunks people like Sitchin and beliefs like Gnosticism, which the lecturer calls "the theology of the Watchers".


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I really enjoyed this O.P.
Thank you
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Hello again Brother. So I watched that video last night titled Unholy Communion. Was a good video on the subject of abductions and how people have been able to stop these abductions with Faith in Jesus. Pretty sure it is from the 80's. I'd recommend people watch it but it is not really keeping to the subject here so I won't post a link. Easy to find on youtube if anyone is interested.

Have you found other material on the subject? I prefer video's but anything would be great.

I see it's been a bit slow since I posted earlier :-). I'd say it amazed me how you and this subject have been attacked but I'm not. The absolute fear of this being exposed and getting attention just shows its importance.

Think I'll do some more searching for material on subject. There has to be more :-)

Talk to you in a few

God Bless
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That title sounds familiar, I'll have to see if I can check it out. I know I've seen several on that same topic of the name of Jesus stopping abductions. But I watch so many I can't keep track of them.

Thanks again, buddy!
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I came across this video lecture a few hours ago and just finished watching it. It's a 1-1/2 hour lecture on the Old Testament from Michael Heiser, someone I've never heard of before but who seems to know what he's talking about. He sheds such bright light on the texts as to blow away a lot of things that didn't quite add up before or were hard to figure out. Subjects the lecture impacts include:

-- The Nephalim, the Watchers, and the Giants
-- What Jesus meant in Mat. 24 by "marrying and giving in marriage"
-- The REAL reason God had Israel wipe entire nations off the map, including children and animals

I strongly urge you to give this video priority over all the crap people usually watch, as it debunks people like Sitchin and beliefs like Gnosticism, which the lecturer calls "the theology of the Watchers".


 Quoting: Keep2theCode


I really enjoyed this O.P.
Thank you
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You're very welcome. hf
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I am just now going back through and reading all the comments but in the meantime, I would like to know what your ideas on who the "Sons of God" are. The Bene-ha-Elohim.

I had a Near Death Experience. I left my body and travelled with two Angels to the "Kingdom of God". I met Jesus there. He was waiting for me (the Angels told me this when I asked them where they were taking me).
The Angels said the "Great King" is waiting for you.
The "Great King" was Jesus.
After Jesus and I talked for some time and he "Judged" me as "worthy"- he stepped into my body from behind. I became ONE with him and all the other Divine Beings at this time. Jesus literally - Came in to me.
I believe that I am now considered a "Son of God".
Because of this experience.
What do you guys think?
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I am just now going back through and reading all the comments but in the meantime, I would like to know what your ideas on who the "Sons of God" are. The Bene-ha-Elohim.

I had a Near Death Experience. I left my body and travelled with two Angels to the "Kingdom of God". I met Jesus there. He was waiting for me (the Angels told me this when I asked them where they were taking me).
The Angels said the "Great King" is waiting for you.
The "Great King" was Jesus.
After Jesus and I talked for some time and he "Judged" me as "worthy"- he stepped into my body from behind. I became ONE with him and all the other Divine Beings at this time. Jesus literally - Came in to me.
I believe that I am now considered a "Son of God".
Because of this experience.
What do you guys think?
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According to Dr. Heiser (the speaker in the video), the "sons of God" are angelic beings. He teaches that some of them left their purpose and realm to intermingle with humans, and their offspring were the Nephilim, which means 'giants'. I agree with him.

As for your NDE, as a follower of Christ and student of the Word, I would not accept that the real Jesus did as you described. Only the Holy Spirit indwells believers, and this happens at the moment they place their faith in the Jesus who rose from the dead. He is not "one with all the divine beings" but God Himself, while the angelic beings are created and lower in power and authority.

I have no doubt that you had an NDE, but I don't believe it was the real Jesus you encountered. To become a son of God, all you need to do is place your faith in the risen Jesus to be reconciled to the one true God, forsaking all other 'gods' and religions. There is no other way, according to the scriptures, and to Jesus Himself.
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I am just now going back through and reading all the comments but in the meantime, I would like to know what your ideas on who the "Sons of God" are. The Bene-ha-Elohim.

I had a Near Death Experience. I left my body and travelled with two Angels to the "Kingdom of God". I met Jesus there. He was waiting for me (the Angels told me this when I asked them where they were taking me).
The Angels said the "Great King" is waiting for you.
The "Great King" was Jesus.
After Jesus and I talked for some time and he "Judged" me as "worthy"- he stepped into my body from behind. I became ONE with him and all the other Divine Beings at this time. Jesus literally - Came in to me.
I believe that I am now considered a "Son of God".
Because of this experience.
What do you guys think?
 Quoting: Goddess of the sea 1


According to Dr. Heiser (the speaker in the video), the "sons of God" are angelic beings. He teaches that some of them left their purpose and realm to intermingle with humans, and their offspring were the Nephilim, which means 'giants'. I agree with him.

As for your NDE, as a follower of Christ and student of the Word, I would not accept that the real Jesus did as you described. Only the Holy Spirit indwells believers, and this happens at the moment they place their faith in the Jesus who rose from the dead. He is not "one with all the divine beings" but God Himself, while the angelic beings are created and lower in power and authority.

I have no doubt that you had an NDE, but I don't believe it was the real Jesus you encountered. To become a son of God, all you need to do is place your faith in the risen Jesus to be reconciled to the one true God, forsaking all other 'gods' and religions. There is no other way, according to the scriptures, and to Jesus Himself.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


What if I was a believer and did have my faith placed in Jesus before this NDE? Would that make you feel differently? I had/ have forsaken all Religions and all other "gods".
I feel like I have been reborn -sort of speak- and now have the Holy Spirit dwelling in me.
When I say "ONE" with Jesus and all the other Divine beings- I mean that -when in the NDE - I was still separate but became of ONE mind with the others. It is hard to explain.

Anyway- you think that to become a "Son of God" , all we need to do is -place your faith in the risen Jesus to be reconciled to the one true God, forsaking all other 'gods' and Religions. I have done this.
So I would be considered a "Son of God" right?
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Before you ask, yes, I am qualified to assess you.
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You're as qualified to address any of us as my dog is to give me financial advice.

Stop picking on people here and (I mean this in all sincerity) GET A LIFE.

It has to be a mental illness to spend all your time and effort nagging and attacking people who don't think like you do. People who really don't believe in spiritual things DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE BELIEVES ABOUT SPIRITUAL THINGS.

It is unhealthy for you to focus on Christianity and those who follow Jesus. Either accept Jesus or go hang around with people you like.
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Well said!
Thank you! This poster irritates me so badly that I have had to block his posts.
hf
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What if I was a believer and did have my faith placed in Jesus before this NDE? Would that make you feel differently? I had/ have forsaken all Religions and all other "gods".
I feel like I have been reborn -sort of speak- and now have the Holy Spirit dwelling in me.
When I say "ONE" with Jesus and all the other Divine beings- I mean that -when in the NDE - I was still separate but became of ONE mind with the others. It is hard to explain.

Anyway- you think that to become a "Son of God" , all we need to do is -place your faith in the risen Jesus to be reconciled to the one true God, forsaking all other 'gods' and Religions. I have done this.
So I would be considered a "Son of God" right?
 Quoting: Goddess of the sea 1


Yes, if you have placed your faith in the risen Jesus and nothing/no one else, to be reconciled to the one true God, you are a "son of God".

But birth is the beginning, not the end. We are to choose to grow spiritually by "the renewing of your mind", which means to study the words of God and his teachings. And such a study tells us the attributes and ways of God, such that whatever is not of God will be obvious.

So when I read your description of your NDE, it clashed with what the Bible says about God and angels. This doesn't mean you're lost, but that you may have misinterpreted it. There are many things none of us can explain, but God has given us his Word to guide us and help us "test the spirits". So my response to your NDE comes from that perspective.
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