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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2459690 United States 10/30/2013 05:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are two ways that work well, I use them both I simply wrote a letter to effect that all transactions through my account where to be conducted in redeemed federal reserve notes Pursuant to Title 12 USC §411. took it to a teller and had her sign and date stamp it. Left them a copy. You do not need their permission to redeem FRN's. Its you demand that counts. eRead the snip below from page one of my other thread. Endorse your checks and deposit with this endorsement. Make copies of the letter and all checks cashed or deposited with the below endorsement. The IRS will need to see copies when you file your tax return for a full refund. Redeemed in Lawful money Pursuant to Title 12 USC §411 True name dba Legal name I have a red ink stamp. Your true name is your first and middle, your “legal name” is “FIRST LAST”. Hey OP do you know the difference between a felony charge for defrauding the federal gov and a misdemeanor failure to file charge? 5-7 YEARS Talking about it on a forum isn't really a smart thing to do. Trust me the IRS can be real assholes. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 49177644 United States 10/30/2013 06:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For one you would have to spell it out much more clearly for people to understand. Kind of a step by step instruction manual if you will. step 1, take your check to the bank who issued the check and demand lawful money, expect them to say this, expect to receive this, etc. etc. etc. on down the line, in baby steps. You just lost half the population by explaining this out, I promise you that only about 15% read your link. I even skimmed it and will go back later to read it in more depth. 2nd, this is playing within the playground of LAW. If you haven't noticed, they don't abide by any "laws" anymore. The laws are written for the peasants, and the serfs. Hence a healthcare bill that many are exempted from. Operation Fast and Furious, no one in prison MF GLobal 1.5 billion dollars evaporated, and no one in prison. Look, you are suffering under the presumption that a. law still exists, which it does not. and b. that you will find lawyers and courts to back you up on all your laws c. that an entire population of idiots will care, or be smart enough to follow you. d. you are asking permission for freedom, you are going before someone else and entering their realm of jurisdiction. It is a jurisdiction of legal fiction, make believe, corruption, and power. One only needs to look at fraudclosure to understand that the law, is whatever they say it is at the moment they say it, and you find yourself walking right into a trap. Bottom line is, that the Founders had it right. The Declaration of Independence doesn't ask you to go before a judge and explain yourself before a legal system that is no longer constitutional. It states clearly that whenever government becomes tyrannical it is the right of the people to abolish it. You are correct that our nation has been hijacked by bankers, and it was hijacked a long time ago. It is no longer a government but a corporation. I would also argue that there isn't two governments operating side by side in conflict of one another, but they have merged into one cohesive oppressive unit, or one corporation. You will never vote it back, running to the bank and demanding a magic currency like asking for magic beans will not set you free. No, the answer is much more simplistic and at the same time more difficult. If you want freedom, you must take freedom. You know freedom is an illusive thing, but it has never been voted for, it has never been given freely, it has never been handed over, because to do so would take power from those who have taken it all. Do you honestly believe that all the hollow point bullets, drones, assault rifles, armored vehicles, guard towers, signs, and barbed wire were for you to win your freedom by going to the bank, and demanding lawful money? Are you truly that naive? Perhaps you would like to travel back in time, and visit the death camps of old, and legally explain to them why they must not, and cannot slaughter the unarmed people that found themselves there by what was at the time, the legal government. Good luck, and godbless |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 48090126 United States 10/30/2013 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All taxes are is a means to control inflation by throttling the velocity of money. Tax the productive people and give it to the non-productive people so that they dont save, invest or complain about unemployment and bypass the fractionl banking system. If you dont understand that you are a Moran ! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48090126 Man, I don't know what you have been smoking, but it must be good. Inflation is a result of increasing the money supply in relation to its underlying worth, which at one time was gold. Inflation is a direct result of printing more and more money with the same amount assets to back it. money for nothing and chicks for free. Or money from thin air. What ? You have no understanding as to how a dollar is created in an expanding economy, you do not understand leverage and reserves that support it either. I smoke nothing. You dont even understand basic economic theory that is based on supply and demand (a lie). Its really simple, if I have an ounce of gold and I print 40 dollars to represent that ounce of gold, each dollar is worth one fortieth of an ounce. If I turn around and use the same gold for backing another 40 dollars I have effectively reduced the value of the dollars already printed by half, thats called inflation. You can play all kinds of games with the money supply but when you continuously expand the money supply you create inflation. If we look at the value of the dollar in terms of purchasing power we see that the dollar is worth about 5 cents of what it was worth 100 years ago. appox. At the same time we see more dollars in circulation there is a correspondence, between the amount of money in print and its purhasing power. Sorry. You know nothing OP you keep Blowing wind up your own ass. Why has inflation of prices been somewhat tame with the printing of over 24 Trillion dollars in the last 5 years ? Printing to inflation ratio ? Why, if your last comment holds any water? |
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User ID: 49202275 United States 10/30/2013 08:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | sorry op id like to believe you honestly i would and maybee under some circumstances you may be correct BUT the FRUCKING IRS has their greasy fingers in everywhere and can take whatever you have and its becoming increasingly apparent that they can prevent you from earning money if they dont get their cut. welcome to the mark of the beast sheell be right mate |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1224718 United States 10/30/2013 08:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many credible arguments out there.... be they constitutional, statutory, conspiratorial or many of the 'others'. They list of those that have tried to circumvent the motherfucking IRS crime syndication is long and distinguished. Most have failed and have had property seized and/or spent time in the clink. If one receives a W-2 or 1099 as evidence of income, then they will use all available means to collect, and in some cases refer the matter to US attorneys for prosecution. IRS wheels turn slowly but turn nonetheless. They are the most hated motherfuckers on the whole damn planet. I wouldn't want to be one. Karma can be a bitch. |
dude User ID: 49190452 Ireland 10/30/2013 08:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All taxes are is a means to control inflation by throttling the velocity of money. Tax the productive people and give it to the non-productive people so that they dont save, invest or complain about unemployment and bypass the fractionl banking system. If you dont understand that you are a Moran ! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48090126 Man, I don't know what you have been smoking, but it must be good. Inflation is a result of increasing the money supply in relation to its underlying worth, which at one time was gold. Inflation is a direct result of printing more and more money with the same amount assets to back it. money for nothing and chicks for free. Or money from thin air. europe? |
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User ID: 31219881 United States 10/30/2013 10:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that's awesome until the IRS garnishes your wages or puts a lean on your house. Then you have to pay lawyer fees to fight it and will lose anyway. But good luck with that. Quoting: Black Unit Yep, then the NazIRS "debtors" prison. Special place in hell for the politicians that put all that in place special place in hell. The Right Policy is Always Conservative "The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their President." - Vaclav Klaus |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 55389293 United States 09/12/2014 03:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I always see these posts and have not yet seen one good explanation of what these people do to avoid paying taxes. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49163339 They always say, "use lawful money". That's it. No shit. How the fuck do you about getting lawful money? In reality you can't, but the mere fact that you demand it when depositing a check or cashing a check is enough to remove the tax liability. You must keep accurate records, Ie photo copies of the endorsed check cashed or for deposit, with the demand included in the endorsement area of the check. That's just retarded... fine with me Brief keep paying taxes, while I enjoy my tax free income. No sweat off my ass. how about property taxes ? in usa hard to get allodial title |
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