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(OP) User ID: 49119817  Thailand10/30/2013 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.law.cornell.edu] Read: “Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank. “ All banks are fed banks, or they couldn't according to the above quoted law handle Federal reserve notes. Therefore you can redeem FRN's at any bank, on demand. talkstory |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 48090126  United States10/30/2013 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All taxes are is a means to control inflation by throttling the velocity of money. Tax the productive people and give it to the non-productive people so that they dont save, invest or complain about unemployment and bypass the fractionl banking system. If you dont understand that you are a Moran ! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 47646163 United States10/30/2013 03:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | snip Quoting: talkstory How you get involved and become libel for taxes. However, if anyone else accepts this private credit and uses it to purchase goods and services, the user voluntarily incurs the obligation requiring him to make a return of income whereby a portion of the income is collected by the IRS and delivered to the Federal Reserve banksters. Actually the federal income tax imparts two separate obligations: the obligation to file a return and the obligation to abide by the Internal Revenue Code. The obligation to make a return of income for using private credit is recognized in law as an irrecusable obligation, which according to 'Bouvier's Law Dictionary' (1914 ed.), is "a term used to indicate a certain class of contractual obligations recognized by the law which are imposed upon a person without his consent and without regard to any act of his own." Since the mere act of spend a dollar supposedly requires you to file a return wouldn't UCC 1-201 provide you the release from this 'contract' because you, the consumer, did not know you were entering a contract with a private party? [link to www.law.cornell.edu] (edited w/ better link) Your Honor, my use of "Without Prejudice UCC 1-207" above my signature on this document indicates that I have exercised the "Remedy" provided for me in the Uniform Commercial Code in Book 1 at Section 207, whereby I may reserve my Common Law right not to be compelled to perform under any contract, or agreement, that I have not entered into knowingly, voluntarily, and intentionally. And, that reservation serves notice upon all administrative agencies of government -- national, state and local -- that I do not, and will not, accept the liability associated with the "compelled" benefit of any unrevealed commercial agreement. [link to www.law.cornell.edu] § 1-308. Performance or Acceptance Under Reservation of Rights. (a) A party that with explicit reservation of rights performs or promises performance or assents to performance in a manner demanded or offered by the other party does not thereby prejudice the rights reserved. Such words as "without prejudice," "under protest," or the like are sufficient. (b) Subsection (a) does not apply to an accord and satisfaction. eta more detail |
| bvndy
User ID: 28706319 United States10/30/2013 03:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Today, we have two competing monetary systems. The Federal Reserve System with its private credit and currency, and the public money system consisting of legal tender United States notes and coins. One could use the public money system, paying all bills with coins and United States notes (if the notes can be obtained), or one could voluntarily use the private credit system and thereby incur the obligation to make a return of income. Under 26 USC 7609 the IRS has carte blanche authority to summon and investigate bank records for the purpose of determining tax liabilities or discovering unknown taxpayers: 'United States v. Berg' 636 F.2d 203 (1980). If an investigation of bank records discloses an excess of $1000 in deposits in a single year, the IRS may accept this as prima facie evidence that the account holder uses private credit and is therefore a person obligated to make a return of income. Anyone who uses private credit -- e.g., bank accounts, credit cards, mortgages, etc. -- voluntarily plugs himself into the system and obligates himself to file. A taxpayer is allowed to claim a $1000 personal deduction when filing his return. The average taxpayer in the course of a year uses United States coins in vending machines, parking meters, small change, etc., and this public money must be deducted when computing the charge for using private credit. Quoting: talkstory Yeah dumbass, suck up on your constitution on your 'truth' about money. Let me tell you a little about reality. The IRS has guns, jails. You do not have guns, nor can you resist jail. Whether lawful or not, whether money or federal reserve notes are real or not. That does not matter, if you don't pay the bullies with guns, you get arrested. Do you really think this is the land of the free??????????????????????????????????????????????????? DUMBASS I can only assume you work for them as fear tactics are one of there specialties. Nice try. Evereybody "works" for them. All of your statements are quite factual, the IRS is a private organization, much like the federal reserve. But nice legalities don't matter much. I read a book written by tax protester, who shall remain nameless. He fought in federal ct, wound up in jail for seven years. That is not "fear" tactics, its reality. Recently the IRS was caught discriminating against the tea party and other groups trying to win our liberty back. What happened? NOTHING. Basically the only people not afraid of the IRS are the elites who they answer to. Judges, politicians, etc are all afraid of what the IRS will do to them. The elites, who are few and faw, are using the IRS as just one agency to dismantle and liqudate the USA. You can ignore the consequences of your actions, but you cannot ignore the RESULTS of the consequences of your actions Ayn Rand |
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| Terrebonne
User ID: 47683862 United States10/30/2013 03:58 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This link is an depth look into money, taxes and difference between public and private money. Why you pay taxes on public money, ie federal reserve notes, verses public money ie US treasury notes and coin of the US. All that is presented is based on case law primarily from the US supreme court rulings. This is the only way we can peacefully and verturally over night free ourselves from the corruption gripping our country. I encourage you to read this link. Quoting: talkstory [link to www.silverbearcafe.com] you say that because you are in China. the IRS will get you jail if you do not pay taxes. IRS actually fears man who doesn't file taxes [link to www.wnd.com] INFJ; We are the protectors. |
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(OP) User ID: 49119817 Thailand10/30/2013 04:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All taxes are is a means to control inflation by throttling the velocity of money. Tax the productive people and give it to the non-productive people so that they dont save, invest or complain about unemployment and bypass the fractionl banking system. If you dont understand that you are a Moran ! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48090126 Man, I don't know what you have been smoking, but it must be good. Inflation is a result of increasing the money supply in relation to its underlying worth, which at one time was gold. Inflation is a direct result of printing more and more money with the same amount assets to back it. money for nothing and chicks for free. Or money from thin air. talkstory |
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(OP) User ID: 49119817 Thailand10/30/2013 04:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that's awesome until the IRS garnishes your wages or puts a lean on your house. Then you have to pay lawyer fees to fight it and will lose anyway. But good luck with that. Quoting: Black Unit And the IRS has a 99% win rate. You cannot win unless they let you win. :( Perhaps true, but they are not even taking us to court. No basis for a law suit that they would loose and then the cat would be out of the bag. get it. talkstory |
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(OP) User ID: 49119817 Thailand10/30/2013 04:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | snip Quoting: talkstory How you get involved and become libel for taxes. However, if anyone else accepts this private credit and uses it to purchase goods and services, the user voluntarily incurs the obligation requiring him to make a return of income whereby a portion of the income is collected by the IRS and delivered to the Federal Reserve banksters. Actually the federal income tax imparts two separate obligations: the obligation to file a return and the obligation to abide by the Internal Revenue Code. The obligation to make a return of income for using private credit is recognized in law as an irrecusable obligation, which according to 'Bouvier's Law Dictionary' (1914 ed.), is "a term used to indicate a certain class of contractual obligations recognized by the law which are imposed upon a person without his consent and without regard to any act of his own." Since the mere act of spend a dollar supposedly requires you to file a return wouldn't UCC 1-201 provide you the release from this 'contract' because you, the consumer, did not know you were entering a contract with a private party? [link to www.law.cornell.edu] (edited w/ better link) Your Honor, my use of "Without Prejudice UCC 1-207" above my signature on this document indicates that I have exercised the "Remedy" provided for me in the Uniform Commercial Code in Book 1 at Section 207, whereby I may reserve my Common Law right not to be compelled to perform under any contract, or agreement, that I have not entered into knowingly, voluntarily, and intentionally. And, that reservation serves notice upon all administrative agencies of government -- national, state and local -- that I do not, and will not, accept the liability associated with the "compelled" benefit of any unrevealed commercial agreement. You pose and interesting question. But as has been said many times ignorance is no excuse. And perhaps you could win on the grounds of lack of full disclosure. but redeeming lawful money avoids the law suits and all the hassle. talkstory |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 48325963  Mexico10/30/2013 04:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks OP. Similar to this: Quoting: DeathManGuy [link to www.whatistaxed.com] and this: www.marcstevens.net It sounds good in theory, but when there is a monopoly on violence it is intimidating to test these theories, but I definitely would like to see more people test the waters on this... I am involved with a group, 80 plus people, and we have been using this for over 4 years, no threats, no garnishments, no jail time, and no trials. It takes time but they will get you... Haven't gotten me in 17 years. not going to happen now. lol But based on your comments you haven't read the link as it clearly states the supreme court rulings in regard to taxes on private money verses public money. Or perhaps you just stupid. Sorry ignorance can be fixed stupid, well there is just no hope. I have seen your posts and I don't think your stupid, so I will assume you have not read the link. Haven't gotten me in over THIRTY years. Of course now that I'm out of the country it's even less likely. |
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(OP) User ID: 49119817 Thailand10/30/2013 04:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep, good point, but they are changing many of the laws that make it harder for expats to avoid taxes if they have any income from anywhere, unless they are paying taxes on the money in the country in which they are living. Be careful my friend. And in the words of Bob Dylan. "those who live outside the law, they must be honest" talkstory |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 48090126 United States10/30/2013 04:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All taxes are is a means to control inflation by throttling the velocity of money. Tax the productive people and give it to the non-productive people so that they dont save, invest or complain about unemployment and bypass the fractionl banking system. If you dont understand that you are a Moran ! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48090126 Man, I don't know what you have been smoking, but it must be good. Inflation is a result of increasing the money supply in relation to its underlying worth, which at one time was gold. Inflation is a direct result of printing more and more money with the same amount assets to back it. money for nothing and chicks for free. Or money from thin air. What ? You have no understanding as to how a dollar is created in an expanding economy, you do not understand leverage and reserves that support it either. I smoke nothing. You dont even understand basic economic theory that is based on supply and demand (a lie). |
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| Me User ID: 47748958 United States10/30/2013 04:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This link is an depth look into money, taxes and difference between public and private money. Why you pay taxes on public money, ie federal reserve notes, verses public money ie US treasury notes and coin of the US. All that is presented is based on case law primarily from the US supreme court rulings. This is the only way we can peacefully and verturally over night free ourselves from the corruption gripping our country. I encourage you to read this link. Quoting: talkstory [link to www.silverbearcafe.com] B.S. I cannot go to my human resources office and tell them to quit taking all taxes out, well I can ask but they won't..And i will get the same taxes for house every year and if I don't pay they take house, I pay same tax on car If I don't pay they take license tow ca and I ide Bike, I pay gas tax evey day..clerk won't take off the taxes, I smoke and pay that tax too, I buy fod and pay that tax too, now I must pay a Dictatorship tax hidden as for your health, On my cell phone bill I pay state, federal, and a tax that goes to virgin Islands and others to support fictitious upgrades that never happen, my sister lives there..Cable tv I pay tax on that every month too, then their is your local Utililtes and gas service there are taxes tecked on thee too...I just love our Freedom we have in this great land..it is wonderful. |
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| talkstory
(OP) User ID: 49119817 Thailand10/30/2013 04:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This link is an depth look into money, taxes and difference between public and private money. Why you pay taxes on public money, ie federal reserve notes, verses public money ie US treasury notes and coin of the US. All that is presented is based on case law primarily from the US supreme court rulings. This is the only way we can peacefully and verturally over night free ourselves from the corruption gripping our country. I encourage you to read this link. Quoting: talkstory [link to www.silverbearcafe.com] B.S. I cannot go to my human resources office and tell them to quit taking all taxes out, well I can ask but they won't..And i will get the same taxes for house every year and if I don't pay they take house, I pay same tax on car If I don't pay they take license tow ca and I ide Bike, I pay gas tax evey day..clerk won't take off the taxes, I smoke and pay that tax too, I buy fod and pay that tax too, now I must pay a Dictatorship tax hidden as for your health, On my cell phone bill I pay state, federal, and a tax that goes to virgin Islands and others to support fictitious upgrades that never happen, my sister lives there..Cable tv I pay tax on that every month too, then their is your local Utililtes and gas service there are taxes tecked on thee too...I just love our Freedom we have in this great land..it is wonderful. They may take it out the first year, but you can get a full refund when you file, from that point on you can go exempt on your W2 as you had no tax liability the year before. In regards to your other taxes, like house and car that is a totally different matter and I would suggest that unless you are very well educated in the law you pay them. talkstory |
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(OP) User ID: 49119817 Thailand10/30/2013 04:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I did not pay my property tax and they were going to sell it at an auction. The sheriff enforces. I don't have that kind of command that the irs does... Or seems it dies. Thanks for sharing this and will review. I would love nothing more then more folks to master this and set others free. You are a great for this. Really. Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23717933 Land taxes are not under the same structure as income tax. I would suggest as I said above that you pay your land taxes until you are very well versed in law. And even then land taxes are tough to get out of. We do not own our property in the US. We buy the right of use, and we pay for the privilege of paying rent on property that we supposedly own. Pick you fights carefully, my friend. talkstory |
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| Lex Talionis
User ID: 45146607 United States10/30/2013 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hypocrisy. We pay taxes to finance a professional association of hit men collectively called politicians, and then complain about corruption in government. But do we ask for our money back? Do we demand a refund? Do we boycott? Our financing this shit with taxes (a true measure of our consent) has culminated in the division of the country into two distinct parts. A Docile sub-nation and a Political sub-nation. We, the Docile sub-nation has been tolerated and leached until now. Now the Political sub-nation is strong enough and has begun to detach itself from us, the Docile sub-nation, and will soon devour us. "Tolerance is the lube that helps slip the dildo of dysfunction into the ass of a civilized society." Plato |
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(OP) User ID: 49119817 Thailand10/30/2013 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All taxes are is a means to control inflation by throttling the velocity of money. Tax the productive people and give it to the non-productive people so that they dont save, invest or complain about unemployment and bypass the fractionl banking system. If you dont understand that you are a Moran ! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48090126 Man, I don't know what you have been smoking, but it must be good. Inflation is a result of increasing the money supply in relation to its underlying worth, which at one time was gold. Inflation is a direct result of printing more and more money with the same amount assets to back it. money for nothing and chicks for free. Or money from thin air. What ? You have no understanding as to how a dollar is created in an expanding economy, you do not understand leverage and reserves that support it either. I smoke nothing. You dont even understand basic economic theory that is based on supply and demand (a lie). Its really simple, if I have an ounce of gold and I print 40 dollars to represent that ounce of gold, each dollar is worth one fortieth of an ounce. If I turn around and use the same gold for backing another 40 dollars I have effectively reduced the value of the dollars already printed by half, thats called inflation. You can play all kinds of games with the money supply but when you continuously expand the money supply you create inflation. If we look at the value of the dollar in terms of purchasing power we see that the dollar is worth about 5 cents of what it was worth 100 years ago. appox. At the same time we see more dollars in circulation there is a correspondence, between the amount of money in print and its purhasing power. Sorry. talkstory |
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(OP) User ID: 49119817 Thailand10/30/2013 04:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So if i get a payroll check, how do i get them to NOT take out the taxes? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44498832 You can file exempt, or wait until you file and get a full refund, then legally since you had no tax liability for the current year you can file exempt for the coming year. Fill out a new W-2 form. talkstory |
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(OP) User ID: 49119817 Thailand10/30/2013 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are two ways that work well, I use them both I simply wrote a letter to effect that all transactions through my account where to be conducted in redeemed federal reserve notes Pursuant to Title 12 USC §411. took it to a teller and had her sign and date stamp it. Left them a copy. You do not need their permission to redeem FRN's. Its you demand that counts. eRead the snip below from page one of my other thread. Endorse your checks and deposit with this endorsement. Make copies of the letter and all checks cashed or deposited with the below endorsement. The IRS will need to see copies when you file your tax return for a full refund. Redeemed in Lawful money Pursuant to Title 12 USC §411 True name dba Legal name I have a red ink stamp. Your true name is your first and middle, your “legal name” is “FIRST LAST”. Last Edited by talkstory on 10/30/2013 05:02 PM talkstory |
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(OP) User ID: 49119817 Thailand10/30/2013 04:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hypocrisy. Quoting: Lex Talionis We pay taxes to finance a professional association of hit men collectively called politicians, and then complain about corruption in government. But do we ask for our money back? Do we demand a refund? Do we boycott? Our financing this shit with taxes (a true measure of our consent) has culminated in the division of the country into two distinct parts. A Docile sub-nation and a Political sub-nation. We, the Docile sub-nation has been tolerated and leached until now. Now the Political sub-nation is strong enough and has begun to detach itself from us, the Docile sub-nation, and will soon devour us. We can blame them all we want, but it is us who use the private money, pay a tax for its use, which supports them. Redeeming lawful money removes that support and for each dollar redeemed lowers the national debt. talkstory |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2459690 United States10/30/2013 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that's awesome until the IRS garnishes your wages or puts a lean on your house. Then you have to pay lawyer fees to fight it and will lose anyway. But good luck with that. Quoting: Black Unit And the IRS has a 99% win rate. You cannot win unless they let you win. :( Perhaps true, but they are not even taking us to court. No basis for a law suit that they would loose and then the cat would be out of the bag. get it. You can go to court however most people settle. I have gone through many boxes of gov evidence, I worked for a tax defense law firm as a paralegal. Worst job ever ... all the clients went to jail. :( |
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