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Electrogravity
I wanted to start an electric universe thread.

If you need background on electric universe this is a good site.
[link to www.thunderbolts.info]

What I really want to talk about is gravity. What it is, how we can interact with it, and how it shapes the cosmos we live in.
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Everything is magnets


Everything with mass has an electric field around it.
This field is in the shape of a torus.

So as a human you can think of a big electromagnetic bubble around you. The earth, sun, galactic center also have a large bubble around them. Our entire existence can be expressed at the interaction between these magnetic fields.
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Hewllo,


I think the video at this link talks about the Kingdom really being, All That AND a bag of chips:

[link to vimeo.com]


"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration." - Nikola Tesla



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Hewllo,


I think the video at this link talks about the Kingdom really being, All That AND a bag of chips:

[link to vimeo.com]


"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration." - Nikola Tesla



ohyeah

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Heres be a description of the video posted above:

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Exposing the Myths of "Settled Science"


David Talbott's recent talk at the annual meeting of the Natural Philosophy Alliance, University of Maryland, July 10-13, 2013. Is it possible that the foundational assumptions of the theoretical sciences all express a common misunderstanding—the idea that gravity alone, seen through the lens of general relativity, rules the cosmos? From cosmology, the "queen of the sciences,” a core dogma of the 20th century filtered down through every discipline, constraining our ideas about galaxy and star formation and ultimately (from the same underlying assumptions) all of the space sciences, infecting our views of earth history and even our sense of what it means to be human. Dispelling this most common misconception has become the essential requirement for scientific progress.
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Hewllo,


I think the video at this link talks about the Kingdom really being, All That AND a bag of chips:

[link to vimeo.com]


"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration." - Nikola Tesla



ohyeah

goodnews
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Thanks!

I keep getting pulled away, but there is plenty to talk about.

Key topic of interest for me on this thread will be

The sun
The earth
Human interaction with the earth and beyond.

Please feel free to openly talk about any electric universe topic you like. We all have a lot of relearning to do about how things work.

:awesomeb:
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I installed aurora but It's a try or buy and It shows a black screen
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Here is an interesting article that seemed related to the topic of your thread:

[link to www.nbcnews.com]

"...Like giant, cosmic chutes between the Earth and sun, magnetic portals open up every eight minutes or so to connect our planet with its host star.

Once the portals open, loads of high-energy particles can travel the 93 million miles (150 million km) through the conduit during its brief opening, space scientists say.

Called a flux transfer event, or FTE, such cosmic connections not only exist but are possibly twice as common as anyone ever imagined, according to space scientists who attended the 2008 Plasma Workshop in Huntsville, Ala., last week.

"Ten years ago I was pretty sure they didn't exist, but now the evidence is incontrovertible," said David Sibeck, an astrophysicist at the Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland.

Researchers have long known that the Earth and sun must be connected. For instance, particles from the sun are constantly whisked away via the solar wind and often follow magnetic field lines that connect the sun's atmosphere with terra firma. The field lines allow particles to penetrate Earth's magnetosphere, the magnetic bubble that surrounds our planet...."

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I had a conversation once with my college professor.

His course was about life and death of stars.
He would always go on about how they were just learning that the magnetic field of the star played a much bigger role in the life of the star than previously thought.

So I asked him about it. Why are you shocked by this. It seems so clear, especially when looking at pictures of super nova.

He said he had been doing this for 35 years and I had a better grasp on it than he did. He was just being nice, the man is brilliant.

It seems to me, the problems all started when humans started making observations. These observations led to theories, which placed knowledge in a box and stifled free thinking.

So maybe it is best if we talk about stars first.
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Here is an interesting article that seemed related to the topic of your thread:

[link to www.nbcnews.com]

"...Like giant, cosmic chutes between the Earth and sun, magnetic portals open up every eight minutes or so to connect our planet with its host star.

Once the portals open, loads of high-energy particles can travel the 93 million miles (150 million km) through the conduit during its brief opening, space scientists say.

Called a flux transfer event, or FTE, such cosmic connections not only exist but are possibly twice as common as anyone ever imagined, according to space scientists who attended the 2008 Plasma Workshop in Huntsville, Ala., last week.

"Ten years ago I was pretty sure they didn't exist, but now the evidence is incontrovertible," said David Sibeck, an astrophysicist at the Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland.

Researchers have long known that the Earth and sun must be connected. For instance, particles from the sun are constantly whisked away via the solar wind and often follow magnetic field lines that connect the sun's atmosphere with terra firma. The field lines allow particles to penetrate Earth's magnetosphere, the magnetic bubble that surrounds our planet...."

yoda
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That is perfect. I am going to come back to this in a bit.

yoda
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Must-see documentary:

Thunderbolds of the gods.
The Electric Universe.
[link to www.youtube.com]
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I had a conversation once with my college professor.

His course was about life and death of stars.
He would always go on about how they were just learning that the magnetic field of the star played a much bigger role in the life of the star than previously thought.

So I asked him about it. Why are you shocked by this. It seems so clear, especially when looking at pictures of super nova.

He said he had been doing this for 35 years and I had a better grasp on it than he did. He was just being nice, the man is brilliant.

It seems to me, the problems all started when humans started making observations. These observations led to theories, which placed knowledge in a box and stifled free thinking.

So maybe it is best if we talk about stars first.
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All though I don't even believe such a conversation took place, I must say that if it did, that conversation is literally the most elementary discussion that has ever happened.

Cavemen, could have a more intelligent discussion than that.

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I'm a little busy at the moment, but have added this thread to my personal pins, and will definitely dive in when available tonight.
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electricity travels at the speed of light

gravity is faster, instantaneous if you think about it

Gravity wins. makes electricity look like the redheaded step child in the spectrum

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Stars

Stars from what we know start as big balls of gas.
Hydrogen and a small bit of helium.
The primordial dust of the universe.

Current thought is that all heavier elements were fused in stars and from their explosive deaths.

Electric universe changes this a bit. We now find that fusion of new elements can happen when they interact with plasma. If the universe is electric, plasma is everywhere.

We will talk more on why this is important to our view of time and the age of our universe later.

Let's stick with the big ball of hydrogen compressing and spinning under its own weight and causing so much heat an pressure that the hydrogen is fused to helium.

Depending on the mass of the star, helium can be fused to oxygen. Then move to carbon and on up the chain to iron.

Once a star forms iron in its core, that is it. Iron is endothermic, it absorbs energy. The amount of energy needed to fuse heavier elements is more the the solar fusion model can account for. Leaving all other heavy elements to be made in the super nova at a stars death.

On this thought process, mainstream science says we are on the third generation of stars, as it would have taken a certain about of linear time to fuse the amount of heavy elements found on earth.

Don't worry we don't have to toss out everything that science has told us, just rethink it.

So stars exist as this big blob of plasma. They are in a state of equilibrium. The fusion taking place at the core pushing out is in balance with the star trying to collapse in on itself from it's mass.

They also toss in the fact that under this condition stars act as a super fluid. Our star is a superconductor, there is no electrical resistance.

So we have lots of key points we talk about. Plasma, superconductors, magnetic poles. All things related to electricity.

How could we miss the electromagnetic effects of the sun?
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Must-see documentary:

Thunderbolds of the gods.
The Electric Universe.

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electricity travels at the speed of light

gravity is faster, instantaneous if you think about it

Gravity wins. makes electricity look like the redheaded step child in the spectrum

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I'm a little busy at the moment, but have added this thread to my personal pins, and will definitely dive in when available tonight.
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Thank you for being here.
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Neutron stars and black holes

Not all stars die the same way. It depends on their mass.

While on the topic of stars I want to touch briefly on neutron stars and black holes.

Current model says medium size stars sometimes become neutron stars. Which is something like taking the space out of the atoms so that the electron orbits are compressed to the nucleus of the atom. We may need to revisit/redefine the neutron, but I will not go intomit now.

Only very large mass stars can become black holes. We can talk later about why they are not black and are finicky eaters.
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electricity travels at the speed of light

gravity is faster, instantaneous if you think about it

Gravity wins. makes electricity look like the redheaded step child in the spectrum

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There is no such thing as gravity. Everything is interacting magnetic fields and everything with mass moves at the speed of light.
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So what is a magnetic field?

Spin.

If you could take two gyroscopes and spin them up and stack them on top of eachother so they spun in opposite direction, they would repel eachother like two like magnetic poles.
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Also this:

[link to blogs.discovermagazine.com]


"Humans have a magnetic sensor in our eyes, but can we detect magnetic fields?

Many birds have a compass in their eyes. Their retinas are loaded with a protein called cryptochrome, which is sensitive to the Earth’s magnetic fields. It’s possible that the birds can literally see these fields, overlaid on top of their normal vision. This remarkable sense allows them to keep their bearings when no other landmarks are visible.

But cryptochrome isn’t unique to birds – it’s an ancient protein with versions in all branches of life. In most cases, these proteins control daily rhythms. Humans, for example, have two cryptochromes – CRY1 and CRY2 – which help to control our body clocks. But Lauren Foley from the University of Massachusetts Medical School has found that CRY2 can double as a magnetic sensor...

Can humans sense magnetic fields?

...It wasn’t always like this. In the 1980s, Robin Baker from the University of Manchester carried out a series of experiments which seemed to show that humans could sense magnetic fields. He took busloads of blindfolded volunteers on winding journeys for several kilometres before asking them to point their way back home. They did so more often than expected, and if they wore magnets on their heads, their accuracy dropped.

The results were published in Science and you can read Baker’s own description of his study in this 1980 issue of New Scientist. He even wrote a book about it. At the time, Baker said, “Whatever the repercussions, we have no alternative but to take seriously the possibility that Man has a magnetic sense of direction.”

Unfortunately, the main repercussion was a fierce series of rebuttals...
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Also this:

[link to blogs.discovermagazine.com]


"Humans have a magnetic sensor in our eyes, but can we detect magnetic fields?

Many birds have a compass in their eyes. Their retinas are loaded with a protein called cryptochrome, which is sensitive to the Earth’s magnetic fields. It’s possible that the birds can literally see these fields, overlaid on top of their normal vision. This remarkable sense allows them to keep their bearings when no other landmarks are visible.

But cryptochrome isn’t unique to birds – it’s an ancient protein with versions in all branches of life. In most cases, these proteins control daily rhythms. Humans, for example, have two cryptochromes – CRY1 and CRY2 – which help to control our body clocks. But Lauren Foley from the University of Massachusetts Medical School has found that CRY2 can double as a magnetic sensor...

Can humans sense magnetic fields?

...It wasn’t always like this. In the 1980s, Robin Baker from the University of Manchester carried out a series of experiments which seemed to show that humans could sense magnetic fields. He took busloads of blindfolded volunteers on winding journeys for several kilometres before asking them to point their way back home. They did so more often than expected, and if they wore magnets on their heads, their accuracy dropped.

The results were published in Science and you can read Baker’s own description of his study in this 1980 issue of New Scientist. He even wrote a book about it. At the time, Baker said, “Whatever the repercussions, we have no alternative but to take seriously the possibility that Man has a magnetic sense of direction.”

Unfortunately, the main repercussion was a fierce series of rebuttals...
"

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Humans can. I can. I have written about it a lot here on glp. I will talk more about it later.

Thank you for the link and input!!!
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Also this:

[link to blogs.discovermagazine.com]


"Humans have a magnetic sensor in our eyes, but can we detect magnetic fields?

Many birds have a compass in their eyes. Their retinas are loaded with a protein called cryptochrome, which is sensitive to the Earth’s magnetic fields. It’s possible that the birds can literally see these fields, overlaid on top of their normal vision. This remarkable sense allows them to keep their bearings when no other landmarks are visible.

But cryptochrome isn’t unique to birds – it’s an ancient protein with versions in all branches of life. In most cases, these proteins control daily rhythms. Humans, for example, have two cryptochromes – CRY1 and CRY2 – which help to control our body clocks. But Lauren Foley from the University of Massachusetts Medical School has found that CRY2 can double as a magnetic sensor...

Can humans sense magnetic fields?

...It wasn’t always like this. In the 1980s, Robin Baker from the University of Manchester carried out a series of experiments which seemed to show that humans could sense magnetic fields. He took busloads of blindfolded volunteers on winding journeys for several kilometres before asking them to point their way back home. They did so more often than expected, and if they wore magnets on their heads, their accuracy dropped.

The results were published in Science and you can read Baker’s own description of his study in this 1980 issue of New Scientist. He even wrote a book about it. At the time, Baker said, “Whatever the repercussions, we have no alternative but to take seriously the possibility that Man has a magnetic sense of direction.”

Unfortunately, the main repercussion was a fierce series of rebuttals...
"

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Humans can. I can. I have written about it a lot here on glp. I will talk more about it later.

Thank you for the link and input!!!
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No problem, I hope you will share everything about hoomans and the electromagnetic field awareness.
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Also this:

[link to blogs.discovermagazine.com]


"Humans have a magnetic sensor in our eyes, but can we detect magnetic fields?

Many birds have a compass in their eyes. Their retinas are loaded with a protein called cryptochrome, which is sensitive to the Earth’s magnetic fields. It’s possible that the birds can literally see these fields, overlaid on top of their normal vision. This remarkable sense allows them to keep their bearings when no other landmarks are visible.

But cryptochrome isn’t unique to birds – it’s an ancient protein with versions in all branches of life. In most cases, these proteins control daily rhythms. Humans, for example, have two cryptochromes – CRY1 and CRY2 – which help to control our body clocks. But Lauren Foley from the University of Massachusetts Medical School has found that CRY2 can double as a magnetic sensor...

Can humans sense magnetic fields?

...It wasn’t always like this. In the 1980s, Robin Baker from the University of Manchester carried out a series of experiments which seemed to show that humans could sense magnetic fields. He took busloads of blindfolded volunteers on winding journeys for several kilometres before asking them to point their way back home. They did so more often than expected, and if they wore magnets on their heads, their accuracy dropped.

The results were published in Science and you can read Baker’s own description of his study in this 1980 issue of New Scientist. He even wrote a book about it. At the time, Baker said, “Whatever the repercussions, we have no alternative but to take seriously the possibility that Man has a magnetic sense of direction.”

Unfortunately, the main repercussion was a fierce series of rebuttals...
"

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Humans can. I can. I have written about it a lot here on glp. I will talk more about it later.

Thank you for the link and input!!!
 Quoting: Metatron Phi


No problem, I hope you will share everything about hoomans and the electromagnetic field awareness.
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I will do my best O:-)
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The electric universe idea might need a little revising after the next video is taken into consideration:

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The electric universe idea might need a little revising after the next video is taken into consideration:


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"Dark" and "Black" anything in current cosmology is the equivalent of "Alice In Wonderland."

You fail.
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Magnetic field of Earth

At the center of our planet there is an iron core.

Iron is extremely magnetic and absorbs energy.

The earth's magnetosphere is charged by the sun.

It is this constant interaction between the charged particles of the sun and the magnetosphere that protect us from the radiation of space.

Without our magnetic bubble, the Earth might look like Mars.

As I said before, the main problem came when humans started making observations.

Think of how much we know about space, biology, chemistry, physics.

I am not here to argue if Newton and Einstein were correct. They both do a great job at explaining how gravity interacts with objects.

None of that changes, but given all that we know, it is still based on observations made from Earth.

Our best debate on what the "universe" is and how it works.

This also means we likely don't understand the full picture, or someone would have put their finger on what gravity is, instead of just explaining how it works.

The electric universe fans have been building a case. Technology is starting to give us some clues about the gaps in our thinking.

Current model says gravity is the bending of space.
This is true, but what is space and how do you bend it?

How do you know if the stars you see at night are stars or reflection of stars?

How do you know any of the observations we make on earth will hold up in another part of the universe?

You can't. We are working with what we do know, assuming it is true till better evidence is put forward.

We don't even know if a human can survive without the electric field of the earth.

We interact with the electric field of the earth naturally, every day. Most people don't even know the rules it is based on.

The earth is a giant capacitor. Everything from the way we hear, music, light is based on the resonant frequency of earth. Changes to that system, like strength of the magnetosphere, change our perception of the world.

Did you know for every meter you go from ground level there is 100 volts difference. That means there is like 200 volts between your head and ground.

Your entire existence is based on perception of energy.

We can come back to this. Let's try to define a few more things, so we can clearly see how we can change our perception.
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The electric universe idea might need a little revising after the next video is taken into consideration:


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"Dark" and "Black" anything in current cosmology is the equivalent of "Alice In Wonderland."

You fail.
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I can explain everything with electric universe.
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Rules of the System

Let's try and set some rules for our electric universe. I may not get them all in one go, but I will edit this post as needed.

1: Anything with mass has an electromagnetic field around it in the shape of a torus.

2: There is no such thing as still. Everything that has mass is moving at the speed of light. Even if you try to remove all the energy from the system by chilling to absolute zero, there is still motion.

3: As above, so below. The same rules that govern the very small, govern the very large.

4: A particle in motion must create electricity.


Other notes: The term universe is outdated.
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Rules of the System

Let's try and set some rules for our electric universe. I may not get them all in one go, but I will edit this post as needed.

1: Anything with mass has an electromagnetic field around it in the shape of a torus.

2: There is no such thing as still. Everything that has mass is moving at the speed of light. Even if you try to remove all the energy from the system by chilling to absolute zero, there is still motion.

3: As above, so below. The same rules that govern the very small, govern the very large.

4: A particle in motion must create electricity.


Other notes: The term universe is outdated.
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Whooohooo! You mentioned Torus!!! Zing!! Very nice.

So when speaking of Torus I can't help thinking about Tesla and this movie:

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I hope you will also mention things like frequencies, light, vibrations, waves, to things like cymatics as well.

I look forward to the day when we all start to see things in a different Light.

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