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Lao Tzu's Tao Te Ching - Little book full of truth and wisdom, much like the Gospel. Book inside.

 
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Lao Tzu's Tao Te Ching - Little book full of truth and wisdom, much like the Gospel. Book inside.
First of all I'd like to thank user Cloud Hidden who's thread inspired me to read this little simple book.

I heard about it before, heard a verse or two here and there but never paid much attention to it.. I read it and it amazed me, later I read somewhere people naming this book a little gospel and if you read it you'll see why.
What amazed me about this book is same thing that amazed me and I love about Christ's Gospel, both are full of truth and wisdom, yet so simple and clear (this takes a good tranlsator too I guess).

I myself belive Christ and the Gospel, but I don't bow to any religion or man made institution. I want to say the Gospel and Tao Te Ching basicly speak of same things, truth, the spirit, wisdom, love.. And if you go and read for yourself you'll see that. I know here are sometimes attacks when something spiritual is posted that is not in the Christian tradition that's why I'm saying this, I like to remind my family and friends who call themself Christians to practice kindness and forgivness some more so I advice same thing to some of you that constantly attack and judge.



From wiki;
Lao Tsu was a philosopher of ancient China, best known as the author of the Tao Te Ching. His association with the Tao Te Ching has led him to be traditionally considered the founder of philosophical Taoism.



NOTE: I updated my second post in this thread with various translations/(personal)interpretations of the first chapter.
So you can read that post and choose one that best suits your personal way of expressing/understanding and go on to read that particular translation of Tao Te Ching.

This post is big, I used here the simplest and shortest translation I found so this post wouldn't be way too big. Check second post for more autentic and literal tranlations. Don't judge to quickly, don't judge the book by one translation, maybe you did not understand it, maybe it's not expressed to fit your mindset/perception, but I'm sure you can find a translations to suit you among those in second post.



SECOND NOTE: On page 4 I posted a list of Bruce Lee's quotes, and I quote my post; These are quotes selected from Bruce Lee, movies, sayings, Jeet Kune Do which is his book about his martial arts style, but you clearly see that philospohy of his martial arts reaches to all aspects of life. Many people see Bruce Lee only as *kick* *bam* *booom* *kill*.. But rarely anyone listens to him.





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I divide the chapters and designed so it's easier for eyes, it consists of 81 little chapters. Feel free to repost your favorite ones, to discuss, make a point or merely point it out, or whatever it is that you want to do. If you find that you love the book, and would like some others to see it too, feel free to give it a bump..

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TAO TE CHING

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1

Green tea is wonderful. There are many words that can describe its aroma, its flavor. I can tell you of the temperature of the tea as I sip it from its cup. The smells that fill my nose just as my tongue tastes the first drips. I can explain to you the benefits of the tea. But, you still have not experienced the tea. You only have a rude concept of what it might be. Unless you sip from the cup yourself, you are not experiencing the real. And this is true with the Dao.


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2

Walk through a garden. Do you see beautiful flowers? If they are beautiful to the eye and nose, then you must also label what is ugly. Describe a neighbor as a good person and another person becomes bad. Loud and quiet. Soft and hard. Before and after. The existence of each creates the other. Teach without word. Study and then forget. Let the tide ebb and flow.


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3

Put a value on items in the village and people will want to steal them. Put a value on leaders and people will want to overthrow them. Prize a songbird and he will become caged. Lose this concept. Empty your mind of such notions. Desires and wants lead you away from the Dao. Wu-wei brings you closer.


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4

Each day I enjoy tea. I talk of it often. I have a wooden container I use each morning to draw water from the well. I bring the water into my home and heat it over a fire. I choose a tea to steep and then enjoy it while watching the sunrise. Each morning I take what I need from the well. Each morning it provides. It has always been there. Perhaps it always will.


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5

Nature does not make one species evil or another pleasant. Nor does she judge the species of their actions. A bird of prey can pounce a harmless mouse. A doe can sip from the river. Each is the same. It does not matter.


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6

As told by the ages, everything is of the Dao. Everything is not the Dao. We are all born with it. We are all born without it. If you will use it, then use it.


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7

What has no beginning can have no end. What has no self-desire is available for all. Separate yourself from possessions and desires and you will be one. Not wanting, you will have everything you need.


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8

Behind me are tall mountain peaks. Behind you is a valley river. The water makes its way from the sky to the peaks. The peaks to the river. Along its journey, a doe will sip from it. A tree will sink its roots into it. A murderer will wash the blood from his hands in it. The water does not care. This is like the Dao. Keep to the simple in thought, in work, in pleasure, in living. When you are content like the river, you will have admiration. But that does not matter.


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9

As I have said before, a teacup can hold a set amount of water. You can pour in all you like, but it will eventually spill over and much will be lost. At a certain level you can be satisfied. The water in the cup is all you need. That which is still in the pot is desires like fame and fortune. Chase it and your cup will spill.


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10

The sun and moon will rise each day. We do not meddle. Have a nice home, but do not possess it. Give to those in need, but do not wait for a thank you. Show your family happiness without forcing them to your defined path of happiness. This is the ultimate virtue.


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11

Wei is what we do. Wu-wei is how we live. We put a roof over our heads to protect us from the elements. But it is the space inside where our family grows. I have a wooden vessel to carry water from my well to my house. But it is the inside that contains the elixir. It is what we don't see that makes us full.


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12

Is a sunset beautiful to a blind man? Is a songbird harmonious to a deaf? Thoughts of this will weaken your mind. Be like a tree bending to the wind. Observe the world, but do not desire it.


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13

You are in everything. Everything is in you. Create hope and fear and you throw away the Dao. Create happiness and sorrow and you will collapse. Keep your feet on the ground. Love everything as you love yourself. Then everything is within your reach.


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14

Focus your eyes on the Dao. There is nothing to see. Tune your ear to its music. There is nothing to hear. Hold the Dao in your hands and it slips through your fingers. Be one with it and fill with true wisdom.


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15

Like our ancient masters, do not seek, do not expect. Stir up the lakebed and watch it settle. Pour water into your teacup, but do not overfill. Enjoy a flower the same in a battlefield just as on a rivers edge. Be like nature and do not judge good from bad. Accept an honorable guest the same as a criminal.


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16

From whence everything came, it returns. And it is to one source that everything is. The wonder of the Dao exists in the wisest sage and in the newborn baby. Those that do not see this fill their life with ever-seeking sadness. Those that can see it awake with a smile to greet the day and a smile to great the end.


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17

A leader that lives among his people is respected. He shops in their stores and does not stand out. He shows respect to everyone he passes. He does not lecture law, but lives the example of it. He gives credit to the people of the community and takes none for himself. There is no telling the leader from the crowd. One that lives above them is despised.


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18

As the Dao fades, law and justice take hold. The great truths are lost and knowledge will flow from a book rather than the heart. The ruling class will discern the loyal from the treacherous and war will loom on the horizon. Lead your sons with your heart, not with your fist.


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19

If there were no books of wisdom, books of sacrament or books of law, would there be war? Take away law and there is peace and harmony. Take away money and value and thieves will vanish. Observe like an oak and the sun will rise in the morning.


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20

Are good and evil different? Do I fear what the next man fears? Such wretchedness. Do not follow who is in front of you for he may fall off a cliff! Drift like a leaf blowing in the wind. Flow like water around an obstruction. Clear your mind and throw your desires away. Nourish yourself in the Dao.


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21

You cannot grasp the Dao. Yet the sage is at one with it always. The sage does not hold firm to concepts, ideas, right or wrong. The Dao is vague and obscure. It is everything and nothing. There is no shape, no form. Yet form and shape are born from it. It is unchanging and has always been. Yet it is always evolving. All this can be seen within. But do not look.


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22

The ancients used to say, "The one who yields becomes whole." In giving up everything, you gain everything. In emptying your mind, it becomes full. In becoming partial you become whole. Teach by acting, not by lecture. Be like the un-carved block. Do not contend or defend. Then people will see themselves in you. Do your work each day then rest.


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23

Live your life with your heart. Meditate in this valley. When the wind brushes your face, be only with the wind. When the rain comes off the mountain, be only with the rain. You with your loved ones, be only with them. Accept, use and embody everything completely.


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24

Balance on one leg and you will fall. Reach for the fruit that is ungraspable and you will starve. Do your work and then rest. Live in the Dao.


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25

Lao Tzu said there are four great powers. The Dao, the Universe, the Earth and Man. Yet these four are all of one. He said, "Man follows the Earth. Earth follows the Universe. Universe follows the Dao. The Dao follows itself."


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26

Wander the land when you can. Take in the scent of flowers but stay serenely within yourself. Keep touch with your source by following your core.


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27

Wander the lands with no intent on getting somewhere. Accept anyone the knocks on your door. Give your sandals to someone that would steal them. The bad that do not value the good, and the good that do not love the bad are lost and confused. This is the essential wonder.


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28

Be like this valley. Accepting sunlight. Accepting rain. Accepting sages and villains. Do this and the Dao will always be with you. Know darkness in this valley. Know the sunlight. The Dao is strong in you. Your tools are from a block of wood. Keep to the block.


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29

The grasses are green in this valley. The clouds are white. The sky is blue and the water will always be wet. That is how they are and there is nothing you can do about it. So stop thinking.


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30

Wake up. Do your work. Rest. Believe in yourself and leave it at that. The planets are in their orbits. The falcon will feed on the rodent. Accept this and the Dao will accept you.


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31

Value peace above all. Opposing armies are filled with your children and your elders. Violence is to be detested.


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32

Look into a microscope and the Dao is there. Look into the sky and it is filled with the Dao. Do not label what is in the lens. Do not label what is above. All waters will flow into the sea, so why think more on it?


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33

Knowledge from a book is intelligence. Sipping the tea is wisdom. You already have all you need.


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34

The Dao is like the river behind you. It creates life where it travels, but does not take credit. It nourishes the fish that swim in it, but doesn't possess them. Man and beast take refreshment and sustenance from it and it never ends. It is therefore great. But it doesn't think so.


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35

When you look into a deep well, you see nothing. Put your ear to it and you hear nothing. Try to smell it and again there is nothing. It would seem a useless thing. Until you use it.


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36

A river can penetrate the toughest rock. A glacier can create the tallest mountain. It is not the work that we admire, but the result.


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37

The Dao has no agenda. So at the end of the day, everything is done. The man that lives in this lives in a peaceful and harmonious home.


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38

The blossoms of a plum tree greatly please the eye, but do not feed the stomach. The cover of a book does not tell the story. If you do nothing, you leave nothing undone. Live simply in the now. Illusions are for the lost.


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39

The lake is peaceful and clear. Jump into it and the water ripples, muck stirs, fish scatter. Step lightly into it and all will remain. Have compassion and practice modesty.


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40

Return to the simple. Yield like the tree in the wind. In the words of Lao Tzu, "All things are born of being. Being is born of all things." Your children are born of your love. Love is realized in your children.


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41

Be as a child and encompass the greatest wisdom. Do not seek, as the Dao is nowhere to be found. The river nourishes all things.


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42

Nothing begot One. The One begot Two and the Two begot Three. The Three gives birth to the ten thousand things. Within the ten thousand things are yin and yang. One will lose by gaining, and will gain by losing. You are always one with the Dao.


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43

A silent parent can give wisdom unto his child. Without a gesture, the child can understand.


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44

Fortune or glory? Which is better? Answer and I will strike you. All you need is already within you. Leave things alone and you will be full.


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45

The true wisdom is found within a child. The oldest tree bends to the wind. The perfect art is an un-carved block. Nature has done her work. Let the Dao speak through it.


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46

Fear is an illusion. An illusion is a lie to the truth. In line with the Dao, plant flowers. Out of line, plant bodies.


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47

Sip tea and achieve. Read books to gain and deteriorate. You need not journey ten thousand miles to see the world. You need not follow a river to know its source.


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48

The knowledgeable have volumes of great works. The wise walk in the tall grasses. The knowledgeable have more research to do; their work is never complete. The wise have nothing to do. The day unfolds on its' own.


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49

The wolf dare not take on a bear alone. It is the pack, acting as one, that gets the job done. Nature tends to those who hunt, and those who are hunted. The sage lives in the world, among his people. He merges his mind with theirs.


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50

When drinking tea, don't talk of coffee. When drinking coffee, don't talk of tea. Wholly give yourself up. Have no illusion about death, your mind or your body. Flow like the oceans waves. Rest after your work is complete.


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51

Everything is a perfect expression of the Dao. In harmony, things take their own course. The ten thousand things are of the Dao. Yet the Dao does not possess any of them. Your nature is to love yourself, and in doing so, loving the Dao, which is all things.


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52

Before the illusion of time existed, there was the Dao. From it, everything comes and everything goes. Judging goes against the Dao. Do so and you will never have peace. Be clear like the undisturbed lake. Be strong like the yielding tree.


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53

The exciting path that runs through the woods is not necessarily the one to be on. It is the easy route that will lead to the Way. The path that promises illusions delivers sadness. In the false, the rich enjoy exotic foods while the poor scramble for scraps.


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54

Look at yourself in a mirror. When you see yourself smile, you feel good. When you smile at others, they feel good. Be true to your nature and you will true to the Dao. It will reflect on your children and your neighbors and spread like the sun.


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55

Do you want the secret of an old age? Do not let yourself become disappointed. Be as effortless as a floating cloud. Go where the winds will take you. Expect nothing. Never be disappointed. Grow old.


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56

Say there are two sages in the village. One openly talking of knowledge and one in silent meditation. The loud one talks to preach his understanding of the Dao. The quiet one does not question it and is content. For he knows all there is to know of the Dao.


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57

Lead by not leading. Do not script laws and concepts. Rid yourself of weapons and fears. Let go of desire and stop valuing items. Your belly will be full and the grass will be green.


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58

People ruled with an iron fist are depressed and plan revolt. People who live among a charitable leader have no fears. Live, as you would want your country to live.


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59

If a tree stands firm to the wind, it will not be around long. Be free from your thoughts. Travel without destination. Make do with what you have, and then let go.


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60

Lead and live in union with the Dao and evil has no room. When there are no enemies there will be plenty of food for everyone.


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61

When you err, admit it, and then correct it. Hide in your error and you have created the ultimate enemy. Everything you need is within your bounds.


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62

You cannot achieve the Dao. Nor can you possess it. It equally accepts the good and the bad. When you make a mistake, you are forgiven.


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63

Do not strive for fame and fortune and have it all. When facing an obstacle, walk around it.


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64

You have heard that the journey of a thousand miles begins with one step and that the mightiest tree was once a seed. Do not dream of the future. Be calm, take a breath and live now. In the end, it will be a job well done, and you can rest. Do not desire; and forget something each day. Soon, all will be of the Dao.


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65

A clever man is not a good father. The simple man holds the key to the Universe.


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66

A true leader walks with his people. Be no greater than the poorest person and they will respect you.


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67

Lao Tzu had just three things to teach: simplicity, patience and compassion. Look into these words and don't know them, but live them.


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68

To be in harmony with the Dao, be like the child playing sports. Not in it for fame or fortune. Not in it to win. They play to enjoy.


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69

If you are unable to bend, you will break. If you think your enemy as evil, you destroy your three treasures. The greatest victory is when there is no battle.


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70

Try to practice what was said here and you might as well pour your entire vessel of water into the teacup. These words are garbage. Forget them. Look in your heart to understand.


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71

True knowledge is not from a book or even from a wise sage. These are all illusions. Destroy your illusions and don't know. Then you will be whole.


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72

Try to teach and you will confuse your family. Give them nothing to learn and they will learn everything.


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73

The Dao does not speak and it cannot be spoken. It has no design and is nowhere. Yet everywhere is it found and its work is always complete.


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74

You cannot move a mountain with your bare hands nor can you control the flow of a river. The future is quite like this. Things will always change. The river will always flow. Your work will come to an end. Accept things as they are and achieve anything.


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75

Do away with rules of the home. The family will fall into harmony and there will be no struggle lead by not leading.


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76

The tiny goldfish that stands up to a shark will be a tasty dinner. The tiny goldfish that swims around the danger will see another day.


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77

The rich have too much and the poor do not have enough. Balance the scales, but don't take the credit.


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78

A quiet voice of reason is louder than weapons of war.


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79

If you shatter someone's teapot, offer to replace it.


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80

Live a long and healthy life. Be content with your home and your village. Your travels need not leave your home.


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81

And finally, in the parting words of Lao Tzu, "True words are not eloquent; eloquent words are not true." Listen to the silent sage, and then forget.


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Re: Lao Tzu's Tao Te Ching - Little book full of truth and wisdom, much like the Gospel. Book inside.
I had an urge to post this note before the tranlations of the firts chapter.



The Living Dao is Living

Because
It is not bound by the text of this or that
version of Lao Tzu.

Names are but names.
Languages are only languages.

The translator seeks the truth,
the way of living,
that will bring peace to the mind and the world.

In this he is confident
he is one with Lao Tzu.




Various translatins/(personal) interpretations.

NOTE: You can choose one that best suits your personal way of expressing and go on and read that particular translation of Tao Te Ching.

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Aalar Fex


A way that can be spoken
Is not a lasting way.
A name that can be named
Is not a lasting name.

Without a name: the beginning of Heaven and Earth.
Having names: the mother of the ten thousand things.

Therefore:
Constantly without desire, thereby observe the mystery.
Constantly with desire, thereby observe the boundaries.

Those which these two are produced by
Are the same but named differently.

The abstraction of calling them the same
The abstraction upon abstraction—

The gateway to a host of mysteries.



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Agnieszka Solska


The Tao you can tell is not the true Tao.
The names you can name are not the true names.
The nameless is the origin of heaven and earth.
The named is the mother of the myriad things.
Always desireless you see its very essence.
Always desiring you see its outer edge.
The source of these two is the same
Yet they are differently named.
They are called the mystery,
Mystery upon mystery,
The gateway to the essence of all.



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Andre Gauthier


The spirit one can talk about is not the eternal spirit, and what you can name is not the eternal name. Nameless-Tao is the beginning of the heavens and the Earth. If you name it-it is no more than Matter.

Therefore: he who conceives of nature freely grasps this Spirit and he who strives for material things is left with only the shell. Spiritand matter are both one in their origin, yet different in appearance. This unity is a mystery –t ruly the mystery of all mysteries, the gate to all spirituality.



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Archie J. Bahm


Nature can never be completely described, for such a description of Nature would have to duplicate Nature. No name can fully express what it represents.
It is Nature itself, and not any part (or name or description) abstracted from Nature, which is the ultimate source of all that happens, all that comes and goes, begins and ends, is and is not. But to describe Nature as "the ultimate source of all" is still only a description, and such a description is not Nature itself. Yet since, in order to speak of it, we must use words, we shall have to describe it as "the ultimate source of all."
If Nature is inexpressible, he who desires to know Nature as it is in itself will not try to express it in words
Although the existence of Nature and a description of that existence are two different things, yet they are also the same.
For both are ways of existing. That is, a description of existence must have its own existence, which is different from the existence of that which it describes; and so again we have to recognize an existence which cannot be described.



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Brian Browne Walker


Tao is beyond words and beyond understanding. Words may be used to speak of it, but they cannot contain it.
Tao existed before words and names, before heaven and earth, before the ten thousand things. It is the unlimited father and mother of all limited things.
Therefore, to see beyond all boundaries to the subtle heart of things, dispense with names, with concepts, with expectations and ambitions and differences.
Tao and its many manifestations arise from the same source:
subtle wonder within mysterious darkness. This is the beginning of all understanding.



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C. Ganson


The Tao described in words is not the real Tao.
Words cannot describe it.
Nameless, it is the source of creation.
Named, it is the mother of all things.
To see Tao the observer must be motiveless.
Those with selfish motives see only
the surface, not the innermost depths.
These two kinds of observers look alike,
but differ in the insight of their observations.
They look alike because they are both human.
Within humanity is the key to the door of creation.



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Chang Chung-yuan


The Tao that can be spoken of is not the Tao itself.
The name that can be given is not the name itself.
The unnameable is the source of the universe.
The nameable is the originator of all things.
Therefore, oftentimes without intention I see the wonder of Tao.
Oftentimes with intention I see its manifestations.
Its wonder and its manifestations are one and the same.
Since their emergence, they have been called by different names.
Their identity is called the mystery.
From mystery to further mystery:
The entry of all wonders!



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David Bullen


Words cannot describe the Tao, and The Tao cannot be named. That which is eternal is unnameable. Naming is the basis of things. Free from desire you are a mystery. Caught in desire you are known. The mystery and the known are not separate. It is naming which separates us. Only through paradox can you understand.



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Douglas Allchin


Who would follow the Way
must go beyond words.
Who would know the world
must go beyond names.
Nameless, all things begin.
Named, all things are born.
Empty of intent, one may be filled with awe.
Full of intent, one may know what's manifest.
One source, different fonts.
Wonders both.
From wonder into wonder,
existence opens.



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Gia-fu Feng & Jane English


The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao.
The name that can be named is not the eternal name.
The nameless is the beginning of heaven and Earth.
The named is the mother of the ten thousand things.
Ever desireless, one can see the mystery.
Ever desiring, one sees the manifestations.
These two spring from the same source but differ in name; this appears as darkness.
Darkness within darkness.
The gate to all mystery.



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Henry Wei


The Tao that can be stated is not the Eternal Tao.
The name that can be named is not the Eternal Name.
The Unnameable is originator of Heaven and Earth.
The Nameable is mother of the ten thousand things.
Therefore,
Always be desireless, so as to discern Tao's wonderful essence;
Always have some desire, so as to discern its manifestations.
These two come out from the same source,
But are different in name.
Their identical nature is a mystery.
Mystery of mysteries -
That is the gate of all wonderful essence.



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Jim Clatfelder


Words and names are not the way
They can't define the absolute
It's better that you look within
Hold your tongue and just be mute

Look within and look out too
You will not find a separation
Out there you see appearance
Within you see origination

Look within with wonder
At emptiness and bliss
For wonder names totality
Where nothing is amiss

The space within is always there
If you can moderate desire
A place of utter emptiness
And possibility entire



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John WorldPeace


The infinity that can be conceived is not the
everlasting Infinity.
The infinity that can be described is not the
perpetual Infinity.
The inconceivable indescribable is the essence
of the all encompassing Infinite.
Conceiving and describing applies only to the
manifestations of Infinity.
Free from distinctions, experience the oneness of
Infinity.
Focus on distinctions and see only the
manifestations
of Infinity.
Yet distinction and non-distinction are one within
Infinity.
Potential within potential is
the essence of Infinity.



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Liu Qixuan


There are ways to follow,
But what is followed is not the true Way.
There are names to give,
But what is given is not the true Name.
Let us call non-being the beginning of the universe
And let us call being the development of all things.
When we follow non-being
We approach the wonder of the Way.
When we follow being
We approach the farther-end manifestation of the Way.
Each has the same origin,
And here exists a metaphysical door to true wisdom.


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Octavian Sarbatoare


The Way (Tao) that can be named, is not the Ultimate Way.
The name given is not the eternal name.
Without name is the source of Heaven and Earth.
With a name is what creates all things.
Without desires the essence of things can be seen.
Who has desires sees only the manifestation of things.
Both aspects have the same source,
They become different, subject to perception.
But are equal in the depth of depth,
From where everything comes into existence.



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Ray Larose


Green tea is wonderful. There are many words that can describe its aroma, its flavor. I can tell you of the temperature of the tea as I sip it from its cup. The smells that fill my nose just as my tongue tastes the first drips. I can explain to you the benefits of the tea. But, you still have not experienced the tea. You only have a rude concept of what it might be. Unless you sip from the cup yourself, you are not experiencing the real. And this is true with the Dao.



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Stan Rosenthal


Even the finest teaching is not the Tao itself.
Even the finest name is insufficient to define it.
Without words, the Tao can be experienced,
and without a name, it can be known.

To conduct one's life according to the Tao,
is to conduct one's life without regrets;
to realize that potential within oneself
which is of benefit to all.

Though words or names are not required
to live one's life this way,
to describe it, words and names are used,
that we might better clarify
the way of which we speak,
without confusing it with other ways
in which an individual might choose to live.

Through knowledge, intellectual thought and words,
the manifestations of the Tao are known,
but without such intellectual intent
we might experience the Tao itself.

Both knowledge and experience are real,
but reality has many forms,
which seem to cause complexity.

By using the means appropriate,
we extend ourselves beyond
the barriers of such complexity,
and so experience the Tao.



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YOU POSTED THE WHOLE BOOK ?tounge.......GOOD ON YOU , OP hf
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YOU POSTED THE WHOLE BOOK ?tounge.......GOOD ON YOU , OP hf
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It's not thousand pages and I got banned when I posted link lol

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heres a little gem

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heres a little gem


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Sounds very interesting I will listen to it one of these days, thanks!
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LaoTzu

I like the Gia-Fu Feng translation

[link to www.amazon.com]


Sixty-Eight
A good soldier is not violent.
A good fighter is not angry.
A good winner is not vengeful.
A good employer is humble.
this is known as the virtue of not striving.
This since ancient times has been known
as the ultimate unity with heaven.


I suggest the Art of War also by Sun Tzu to be read as a spiritual book above and beyond how it was written.

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Thanks for your efforts!........
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LaoTzu

I like the Gia-Fu Feng translation

[link to www.amazon.com]


Sixty-Eight
A good soldier is not violent.
A good fighter is not angry.
A good winner is not vengeful.
A good employer is humble.
this is known as the virtue of not striving.
This since ancient times has been known
as the ultimate unity with heaven.


I suggest the Art of War also by Lao Tzu to be read as a spiritual book above and beyond how it was written.
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Thanks for that, sound great. I have seen some other translations tho, same things said with different words. I thought of that when I read something from it when I was at friend's house.. Maybe If you don't forget you can check the tread tommorow, maybe till then I manage to put what I've found it's very interesting..

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Thanks for your efforts!........
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Just fixing some texts I was sitting all the time lol it was no great effort hf
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Lao Tzu is also a mysterious figure, i read somewhere that he was 'taken' by God when he walked toward west passed ancient China border, never saw death, just like Enoch in the Bible.

hf
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Np OP it is my favorite book in the world, it became part of me decades ago.

Do you have a favorite number passage? My favorites tend to change with my moods.

I also like the physical book over electronic versions. I can just open the book with instinct and what I need to read seems to be on the page every time.
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Lao Tzu is also a mysterious figure, i read somewhere that he was 'taken' by God when he walked toward west passed ancient China border, never saw death, just like Enoch in the Bible.

hf
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Well by this wisdom he would seem very much different from the rest right? I cannot tell, who knows..
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Bah I said Lau Tzu for the art of war it was Sun Tzu.
I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw.

We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three.
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Np OP it is my favorite book in the world, it became part of me decades ago.

Do you have a favorite number passage? My favorites tend to change with my moods.

I also like the physical book over electronic versions. I can just open the book with instinct and what I need to read seems to be on the page every time.
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That's very nice to hear..

I didn't look much for favorites yet I'll let you know, I remember few that have struck me these days, exacly like you said, it was connected to my mood.

Yea I would love to have that, I will look for it sometime. But I would definetly like to find some English translation which there is none to find in Croatia, no English Bible in Croatia so.. I could only try to find it ebay or someway like that.
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Np OP it is my favorite book in the world, it became part of me decades ago.

Do you have a favorite number passage? My favorites tend to change with my moods.

I also like the physical book over electronic versions. I can just open the book with instinct and what I need to read seems to be on the page every time.
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I love something like that is happening.. I go and be back in few hours I guess then I post.
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Bah I said Lau Tzu for the art of war it was Sun Tzu.
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Easy to make a mistake there I wrote tzao lu more than once when I was searching lol

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So this what happened. All paragraphs in chapters were one when I copy-pasted them for posting. So I had to just press enter right to the last word of every paragraph. Then I began to notice that in some paragraphs last word (or last two) of every paragraph combined can make sense, make of it what you want, for me it was fun to play that little game to say at least..
Some had no connection whatsoever, others didn't have more than one paragraph lol. I bold out ones that mind blown me..
But this is no longer seen in original post as I updated it with other shortest and simpler version, this is from tranlation of Dwight Hoggard.


1. (infinite) idea – (created) things – (to) spirituality

3. (at) rest – (in) quietness

7. endure – preserved - conserved

8. tao – rythm – (never) rebuked

10. (avoid) compulsion – (profoundest) virtue

11. value – (it's) immateriality

14. incorporeal – behind - tao

19. (will) dissapear – (one's) desires

22. overcome- him- rejoicing

27. hold – values – spirituality

28. child – absolute – simplicity – (harm no) one

30. Returns – violence – (soon) cease

35. rest – inexhaustible

43. hardest – impenetrable – silence

44. (suffer) loss – (severe) loss – continue

47. (he) knows - (he) completes

49. (good) faith – children

50. (life's) experience – (is) invulnerable

52. (from) danger – (of ) life – eternal

54. (soon) cease – (all) empires – (same) Tao

60. (small) fish - (will) abide

61. wife – conquer – humility

64. (to) succed – (not) interfere

65. (simple) hearted – profound – (obedient) subjects

68. (obedient) himself – (greatest) virtue

73. difficult - nothing


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Lao Tzu is also a mysterious figure, i read somewhere that he was 'taken' by God when he walked toward west passed ancient China border, never saw death, just like Enoch in the Bible.

hf
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They never found a grave or a body. I believe he just went to another dimension, the way high level Taoists do when they are through.
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I think it does not matter how much you read the book, unless you change yourself you won't get far.

For example, if someone reads the book every day but then goes to work and is really nasty to his co-workers, he has missed the message. Or if he throws tantrums or cheats people for money.

I think the reading is the easy part, the changing is the hard part.

Same with meditating.

I'm talking in general, not about anybody in particular.
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I think it does not matter how much you read the book, unless you change yourself you won't get far.

For example, if someone reads the book every day but then goes to work and is really nasty to his co-workers, he has missed the message. Or if he throws tantrums or cheats people for money.

I think the reading is the easy part, the changing is the hard part.

Same with meditating.

I'm talking in general, not about anybody in particular.
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Absolutely agreed. Nothing to add. hf
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I think it does not matter how much you read the book, unless you change yourself you won't get far.

For example, if someone reads the book every day but then goes to work and is really nasty to his co-workers, he has missed the message. Or if he throws tantrums or cheats people for money.

I think the reading is the easy part, the changing is the hard part.

Same with meditating.

I'm talking in general, not about anybody in particular.
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Lol accualy, 'faith without works is dead', that's it, it's what many today forget or ignore and speak like they're above all just because they said the prayer..
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my favorite book.
hf
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my favorite book.
hf
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I can see why, good night!
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You have a long way to go, and in such path you will find that Tao can be felt, but not totally understood. Christianity and Tao are not compatible in so many ways, again,hf keep it up.
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You have a long way to go, and in such path you will find that Tao can be felt, but not totally understood. Christianity and Tao are not compatible in so many ways, again,hf keep it up.
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Keep in mind that modern Christianity seems very different from what Christ taught, I'm comparing it to Gospel not Christianity. On the other hand you are right. Good luck hf

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YOU POSTED THE WHOLE BOOK ?tounge.......GOOD ON YOU , OP hf
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"Rejoyce in the way things are. When you realize nothing is lacking, the whole world belongs to you".

So there is a lot of suffering in the world and I am expected to accept it and let things be as they are? Not only accept them, but rejoice in them.

There are kids in africa who are starving. Should I tell them "You have to realize nothing is lacking in your life. Be happy in the way your life is now". Starving over a piece of paper they don't have (money).

I severely question this book. It tells us to accept how things are. I don't like that idea one bit. The world is NOT fine. It is not!

By the way, that above quote, it does not even justify it's conclusion. ("the whole world..."). It doesn't say the reason the author came to that conclusion nor what it really means. Mysterious, vague and illogical phrases do not impress me. If you're going to teach and share your wisdom, do it. Asking questions to your student and making him think is of course good, confusing your student is not. This book looks indoctrinating to me.

I give you a buddha quote now:
“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”

This book does not agree with my own reason and my own common sense. I am so sorry if I offended someone. Have a great day my fellow philosophers! :D Hehe. All the best to you all and lots of love! :D

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"Rejoyce in the way things are. When you realize nothing is lacking, the whole world belongs to you".

So there is a lot of suffering in the world and I am expected to accept it and let things be as they are? Not only accept them, but rejoice in them.

There are kids in africa who are starving. Should I tell them "You have to realize nothing is lacking in your life. Be happy in the way your life is now". Starving over a piece of paper they don't have (money).

I severely question this book. It tells us to accept how things are. I don't like that idea one bit. The world is NOT fine. It is not!

By the way, that above quote, it does not even justify it's conclusion. ("the whole world..."). It doesn't say the reason the author came to that conclusion nor what it really means. Mysterious, vague and illogical phrases do not impress me. If you're going to teach and share your wisdom, do it. Asking questions to your student and making him think is of course good, confusing your student is not. This book looks indoctrinating to me.

I give you a buddha quote now:
“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”

This book does not agree with my own reason and my own common sense. I am so sorry if I offended someone. Have a great day my fellow philosophers! :D Hehe. All the best to you all and lots of love! :D
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Good points made there my friend, but still that does nothing, Africa's still starving.. I know that in every thing that man made or wrote you can find flaws if you go to search for them. If it doesn't resonate with it it's fine, I have no problem with that my friend, but I am interested on what does resonate with you?
No offense taken, take care and good luck! hf





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