....I think the two witnesses are...The Holy Shroud and the Sudarium Of Oviedo | |
bigD111
User ID: 39191150 United States 10/01/2013 08:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | See, lots of different ideas out there, so it is good to share them Wildhoney! We receive 120 pounds of honey a year for letting the apiary place their hives here. Such good honey! oh I amgetting my own beehive too..ha ha just one though thats wonderful..it must be so beautiful there..like in the cowboy movies yes it is! You have to like winter to live here though! Last year was very mild, but the year before it was 8 months of it! deplorably republican |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47603613 Spain 10/01/2013 08:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | See, lots of different ideas out there, so it is good to share them Wildhoney! We receive 120 pounds of honey a year for letting the apiary place their hives here. Such good honey! oh I amgetting my own beehive too..ha ha just one though thats wonderful..it must be so beautiful there..like in the cowboy movies yes it is! You have to like winter to live here though! Last year was very mild, but the year before it was 8 months of it! Not sure about the cold..lol..used to moderate climate We are spoiled in Spain :) |
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bigD111
User ID: 39191150 United States 10/01/2013 08:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: bigD111 See, lots of different ideas out there, so it is good to share them Wildhoney! We receive 120 pounds of honey a year for letting the apiary place their hives here. Such good honey! oh I amgetting my own beehive too..ha ha just one though thats wonderful..it must be so beautiful there..like in the cowboy movies yes it is! You have to like winter to live here though! Last year was very mild, but the year before it was 8 months of it! Not sure about the cold..lol..used to moderate climate We are spoiled in Spain :) Maybe we could trade climates for awhile! I bet it is nice there! deplorably republican |
Gnostic Warrior
User ID: 16482663 United States 10/01/2013 08:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this is the text of revelation Quoting: wildhoney lets take a closer look shall we? These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. 5 And if anyone would harm them, fire pours from their mouth and consumes their foes. If anyone would harm them, this is how he is doomed to be killed. 6 They have the power to shut the sky, that no rain may fall during the days of their prophesying, and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague, as often as they desire. 7 And when they have finished their testimony, the beast that rises from the bottomless pit[a] will make war on them and conquer them and kill them, 8 and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from the peoples and tribes and languages and nations will gaze at their dead bodies and refuse to let them be placed in a tomb, 10 and those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and make merry and exchange presents, because these two prophets had been a torment to those who dwell on the earth. 11 But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood up on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here!” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies watched them. 13 And at that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven. The olive tree is a symbol of wisdom, peace and because it lives for many centuries, rather than decades, or eternal life. The olive tree was the sacred tree of goddess Athena and Athens, the capital of Greece. The island of Crete has oldest olive tree in the world that is about 3,000-4,000 year old and still produces olives today. This olive tree on Crete was venerable at the time of Christ. Olive oil has long been considered sacred; it was used to anoint kings and athletes in ancient Greece. It was burnt in the sacred lamps of temples as well as being the "eternal flame" of the original Olympic Games. Pausanias was shown it, c. 170 AD, he reported "Legend also says that when the Persians fired Athens the olive was burnt down, but on the very day it was burnt it grew again to the height of two cubits." In Homer's Odyssey, Odysseus crawls beneath two shoots of olive that grow from a single stock. Could this olive that was burnt down these two shoots of olive that grow from a single stock be the two witnesses? MORE OLIVE TREE FACTS: Olive leaves were used to crown the victors of friendly games and bloody wars. As emblems of benediction and purification, they were also ritually offered to deities and powerful figures; some were even found in Tutankhamen's tomb. [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to books.google.com] Regards, Moe [link to GnosticWarrior.com] THERE IS A WAR FOR YOUR SOUL! [link to www.LoanSafe.org] FIGHTING BIG BANKS! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47603613 Spain 10/01/2013 08:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: wildhoney oh I amgetting my own beehive too..ha ha just one though thats wonderful..it must be so beautiful there..like in the cowboy movies yes it is! You have to like winter to live here though! Last year was very mild, but the year before it was 8 months of it! Not sure about the cold..lol..used to moderate climate We are spoiled in Spain :) Maybe we could trade climates for awhile! I bet it is nice there! Yes it is :) the only down side is that like everywhere there has been an upsurge of superficiality and hedonism and narcisism..in the last 10 years more or less.. before that it was absolute Paradise..now its still nice though :) one just avoids this as much as possible |
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User ID: 16482663 United States 10/01/2013 08:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now these two cloths are closely associated with Christ..they contain His Blood..for believers Quoting: wildhoney therefore indirectly they contain His essence now lets continue reading it mentions fire..fire consuming the enemies of the TWO WITNESSES starngely indeed..but the Shroud..was almost destroyed..yes precisely by FIRE on various occasions..and in one occasion has the burn marks to prove it..but they didnt succeed in trying to destroy it odd coincidence huh? That is the God of Fire, Hephaestus who is Vulcan in Rome and Tubal Cain of Catholicism and Freemasonry. This witness comes back and pounds swords into ploughshares with his hammer. huh? mind you it seems a good idea to change swords into ploughshares doesnt it? :) It is great idea. In the end, thy will be done, thy kingdom come, on earth as it is in heaven. After the death of Hermes, the king of Egypt, Hephaestus obtained possession of the empire 1680 days, which is 4 years, 7 months, and 8 days. Hepheutus has Tubal Cain had descended from Cain, the son of Lamech and Zillah, and the brother of Naamah, who Tubal is said to be the last soul survivor of the race of Cain after the flood. The Sons of Tubal Cain, his descendants are first recorded in the inscriptions of Tiglath-pileser I, by the King of Assyria in approximately the year 1100 BC. Later they are also reported by Tukulti-ninurta II, Ashurnasipal II, Sargon and Shalmaneserr III, and are mentioned as the Mushki. The Mushki were the founders of Moscow. Last Edited by Gnostic Warrior on 10/01/2013 08:50 AM Regards, Moe [link to GnosticWarrior.com] THERE IS A WAR FOR YOUR SOUL! [link to www.LoanSafe.org] FIGHTING BIG BANKS! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47603613 Spain 10/01/2013 08:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How would their 'dead bodies' lie unburied in the street for 3 1/2 days and everyone sees them? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20103777 ANSWER ^^^^OP!!! Golly Thats a command if ever I Heard one..lol yes sir!! standing to attention lol If you read the post..in my opinión: there is a symbiosis between Christs body and the two Cloths Christs body lay buried for 3 and a half days but it wasnt really buried the burial rite was intricate and required time to carry out according to the religious practices..because of the coming of the Sabbath..it couldnt be done as was prescribed..so in effect..even though He was in a tomb..not His own..He wasnt really buried according to the religious law and rites of the time.. So He lay unburied..though Buried..for three and a half days thw two witnesses..to His RESURECCTIOn also lay unburied fro 3 and a half days due to the simbiosis with the body the poeple rejoiced and it was also planned..according to the Roman Law at that time..to have the body thrown in a mass grave..because a convicted criminal..therefore the intent was to have absolutely no burial at all..not even a makeshift one |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47603613 Spain 10/01/2013 08:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the term..out in the Street..can be in my opinión interpreted as ..not buried.. which in effect..He wasnt in my opinión not officially..not according to the religión I think probably thats why Mary M went to the tomb..one of the reasons..because they were going to finish the cleansing and preparing..and annointing of the body..the full and complete religious rite to have Christ properly buried..but had to wait till after the Sabbath |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47603613 Spain 10/01/2013 08:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now these two cloths are closely associated with Christ..they contain His Blood..for believers Quoting: wildhoney therefore indirectly they contain His essence now lets continue reading it mentions fire..fire consuming the enemies of the TWO WITNESSES starngely indeed..but the Shroud..was almost destroyed..yes precisely by FIRE on various occasions..and in one occasion has the burn marks to prove it..but they didnt succeed in trying to destroy it odd coincidence huh? That is the God of Fire, Hephaestus who is Vulcan in Rome and Tubal Cain of Catholicism and Freemasonry. This witness comes back and pounds swords into ploughshares with his hammer. huh? mind you it seems a good idea to change swords into ploughshares doesnt it? :) It is great idea. In the end, thy will be done, thy kingdom come, on earth as it is in heaven. After the death of Hermes, the king of Egypt, Hephaestus obtained possession of the empire 1680 days, which is 4 years, 7 months, and 8 days. Hepheutus has Tubal Cain had descended from Cain, the son of Lamech and Zillah, and the brother of Naamah, who Tubal is said to be the last soul survivor of the race of Cain after the flood. The Sons of Tubal Cain, his descendants are first recorded in the inscriptions of Tiglath-pileser I, by the King of Assyria in approximately the year 1100 BC. Later they are also reported by Tukulti-ninurta II, Ashurnasipal II, Sargon and Shalmaneserr III, and are mentioned as the Mushki. The Mushki were the founders of Moscow. Gosh thats interesting..never Heard of all that Thank you |
Gershom User ID: 47706916 France 10/01/2013 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | KJV Book of Revelation Chapter 11, page #1022 3.And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4.These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5.And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6.These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. ------------------------------- Your guess doesn't match the Word OPie. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47708594 United States 10/01/2013 09:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the term..out in the Street..can be in my opinión interpreted as ..not buried.. Quoting: wildhoney which in effect..He wasnt in my opinión not officially..not according to the religión I think probably thats why Mary M went to the tomb..one of the reasons..because they were going to finish the cleansing and preparing..and annointing of the body..the full and complete religious rite to have Christ properly buried..but had to wait till after the Sabbath ...your 'opinions' are not factual. Ask the Holy Spirit for discernment. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47603613 Spain 10/01/2013 09:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | KJV Book of Revelation Chapter 11, page #1022 Quoting: Gershom 47706916 3.And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4.These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5.And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6.These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. ------------------------------- Your guess doesn't match the Word OPie. ..fire almost detroyed the Holy Shroud on several occasions..and actually burned it but managed to survive asto their power of prophecy..Dont they prophecize that Christ is the Messiah..and that therefore all other prophecies related to Himwill come to pass? As to their ability over the elements..there are alleged miracles attributed to both of them..even during the Black death..there were processions etc..made before the Holy Shroud..as protection I could be wrong of course.. But to me it makes sense as I say..its understandable if you dont agree..it is an unusual interpretaion of the prophecy..I admit |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47603613 Spain 10/01/2013 09:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the term..out in the Street..can be in my opinión interpreted as ..not buried.. Quoting: wildhoney which in effect..He wasnt in my opinión not officially..not according to the religión I think probably thats why Mary M went to the tomb..one of the reasons..because they were going to finish the cleansing and preparing..and annointing of the body..the full and complete religious rite to have Christ properly buried..but had to wait till after the Sabbath ...your 'opinions' are not factual. Ask the Holy Spirit for discernment. Thank you for your advice |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47603613 Spain 10/01/2013 09:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know ..I know..crazy idea Quoting: wildhoney Had another insight i was on the Shroud thread and I said..it was a silent witness till the XX century till science gave it the ability to speak and reveal the amazing data it contains.. and I though hold on..wait a minute.. what if? actually this one is the best I have read.... they are NOT two people. Thank you |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47603613 Spain 10/01/2013 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As Christians we know that the Blood of Christ is all powerful prayer for the protection by the Blood of Christ is as we know ..very powerful If these two cloths contain..as I believe..and as science seems to agree..The Holy Blood of Christ is there a limit to the power they may have? |
Gershom User ID: 47706916 France 10/01/2013 09:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | KJV Book of Revelation Chapter 11, page #1022 Quoting: Gershom 47706916 3.And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4.These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5.And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6.These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. ------------------------------- Your guess doesn't match the Word OPie. Understand that revelations is INCOMPLETE and tampered with and the above makes NO SENSE, therefor it cannot be true. THINK 9.And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10.And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. ----------------------- You might belong to that rejoicing wicked people that dwells on the Earth. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47603613 Spain 10/01/2013 09:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there is a village in Italy called Lanciano..where an alleged miracle took place here is the story.. interesting to note 1.The village is allegedly named Lanciano..because supposedly the VILLAGE THE ROMAN GUARD WHO PIERCED THE SIDE OF CHRISTS BODY CAME FROM..as in Lanciano..the one of the Lance..translates aprox Also the Blood that appears on the Holy Eucharist in Lanciano..according to reports..is blood type AB.. Blood type was only posible to determine very recently..so when the miracle happened..there was supposedly no way of determining if the red liquid..was blood..and definitely not what type so what are the chances..that the blood type that appears here is AB..which not only is a rare blood type..but exactly the same blood type that appears not only on the Holy Shroud.,.but also on the Sudarium of Oviedo? Also please check out what it says about the human tissue..supposedly that appeared during the miracle It is amazing.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47603613 Spain 10/01/2013 09:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Please check this out.. Quoting: wildhoney there is a village in Italy called Lanciano..where an alleged miracle took place here is the story.. interesting to note 1.The village is allegedly named Lanciano..because supposedly the VILLAGE THE ROMAN GUARD WHO PIERCED THE SIDE OF CHRISTS BODY CAME FROM..as in Lanciano..the one of the Lance..translates aprox Also the Blood that appears on the Holy Eucharist in Lanciano..according to reports..is blood type AB.. Blood type was only posible to determine very recently..so when the miracle happened..there was supposedly no way of determining if the red liquid..was blood..and definitely not what type so what are the chances..that the blood type that appears here is AB..which not only is a rare blood type..but exactly the same blood type that appears not only on the Holy Shroud.,.but also on the Sudarium of Oviedo? Also please check out what it says about the human tissue..supposedly that appeared during the miracle It is amazing.. please take the time to check this out absolutely amazing medical results of the blood and tissue..which is heart tissue..I couldnt begin to explain this..so please listen to the scientific results The Blood of Christ is as Christians we believe..all powerful..and what contains it also.. In that tomb..two ítems remained after Christ Resurrected..two ítems..and two alone where in that tomb when Christ Resurrected Supposedly: The Holy Shroud and The Sudarium of Oviedo |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47710460 Norway 10/01/2013 09:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i recall seing a program on national geographic where they where trying to find out if the shroud of turin was real ...turns out it is not the fabric was from 1000 years or so after jesus died on the cross if i remember correctly |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47688061 Australia 10/01/2013 09:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | " The bible makes it clear that descendants of Israel are the witnesses." The scholars argue over the year in which the Book of Revelation was written by John. i personally believe somewhere between 80 and 90 AD. At this time, Israel was at the top of God's shit list. The second had recently been trashed, in 70 AD, and God refused to permit the satan serving tal MUD following Jews to ever build a third, to this day. Therefore, the two witnesses WILL be Gentiles. God told you, that in the end times, NOW, he would send Elijah, no one else. Elijah will be working WITH the two witnesses. A double portion of Elijah's spirit, one for each of the two witnesses. The two witnesses will come in the Power and have the Spirit of Elijah with them.. Like Elijah, they will absolutely hate current day satanic israhell, the abomination before God. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47688061 Australia 10/01/2013 09:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | " The bible makes it clear that descendants of Israel are the witnesses." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47688061 The scholars argue over the year in which the Book of Revelation was written by John. i personally believe somewhere between 80 and 90 AD. At this time, Israel was at the top of God's shit list. The second TEMPLE had recently been trashed, in 70 AD, and God refused to permit the satan serving tal MUD following Jews to ever build a third, to this day. Therefore, the two witnesses WILL be Gentiles. God told you, that in the end times, NOW, he would send Elijah, no one else. Elijah will be working WITH the two witnesses. A double portion of Elijah's spirit, one for each of the two witnesses. The two witnesses will come in the Power and have the Spirit of Elijah with them.. Like Elijah, they will absolutely hate current day satanic israhell, the abomination before God. |
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User ID: 36212684 United States 10/01/2013 09:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | " The bible makes it clear that descendants of Israel are the witnesses." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47688061 The scholars argue over the year in which the Book of Revelation was written by John. i personally believe somewhere between 80 and 90 AD. At this time, Israel was at the top of God's shit list. The second had recently been trashed, in 70 AD, and God refused to permit the satan serving tal MUD following Jews to ever build a third, to this day. Therefore, the two witnesses WILL be Gentiles. God told you, that in the end times, NOW, he would send Elijah, no one else. Elijah will be working WITH the two witnesses. A double portion of Elijah's spirit, one for each of the two witnesses. The two witnesses will come in the Power and have the Spirit of Elijah with them.. Like Elijah, they will absolutely hate current day satanic israhell, the abomination before God. The two witnesses will come to re-unite judah with ephraim....they wnt hate israel -Heed the warning or endure the mourning Favor ain't fair |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 47603613 Spain 10/01/2013 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and this one is new to me they reportedly found the tag on the shroud!! Christs alleged death certificate! its amazing..they supposedly found the identification tag that according to Roman Law had to be placed on the body..when convicted criminal..stating name..cause of death..date of death etc.. the ink transpired onto the cloth allegedly the ink of the tag and they found its inscription! in latin..Aramaic and Greek stating Christs name.. date of death cause of death wow take the time to watch this [/youtube] |