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As many of you know, I'm mentally disabled.

*pauses for laughter*

Besides having PTSD, I am losing my memory at a rather alarming rate. I have good days and bad days. If you ever follow my writing/posts, you can pretty much tell which days were good and which days were bad. Anyway, because I'm only 47 I am on disability but I don't qualify for Social Security for another 20 years. No worries. I am working at building my own business doing research. Not an easy task with a memory problem, but one has to do what one has to do.

Because my disability is only $699 a month, I need to live in a rent assisted housing facility. Here in Texas the waiting list for a Section 8 housing voucher is years long so I opted to rent in a housing program that is offered by the community where I live. It is overseen by HUD, but it is privately owned property which is reimbursed for the remainder of the rent due through a state HUD grant program.

Now because it is privately owned, they can make their own rules. Not a problem, right? Erm. Maybe. The Housing Authority is run by Board of investors. This is a very small town with about zip for crime and everyone practically knows each other by name. This board makes some really interesting rules. I'm just going to name a few to see what you all think. Now I'd like to point out that I am the youngest person in this complex which is made up of 16 one bedroom units. The rest of the people who live here are all retired elderly and are all widowed with grown children.

Once a month we have a housing inspection. These inspections get weirder and weirder as the months go by. While I can understand the reasoning behind some of the - rules - I can't help but find many of them personally offensive and horrendously disrespectful to the elderly living here.

1. They check my dresser drawers, closets, cabinets and other furniture drawers for hidden drugs or drug paraphernalia.

2. They require my apartment to be as clean as a hospital. I've been in some of the board member's houses and I can tell you that they do not live up to their own standards.

3. Even though we are all on a limited income, we are required to water the lawns around our apartments to keep bugs out. Anyone care to wonder a guess at how much my water bill runs? Some of these elderly live on far less since they were housewives and mothers and did not work outside of the home.

4. There can not be any dust, streaks, or dirt on the windows. All window blinds must be free of dust or dirt and not be damaged in any way. We pay to have the blinds put in, btw.

5. If we have a pet, we are required to pay a 300 dollar non-refundable deposit. Yes...a deposit which is non-refundable. It should be called a fee if it isn't refundable, but oh well.

Here are some of the other rules which really chap my ass.

1. Any family member who brings over a resident's personal pet, must pay a 300 dollar non-refundable deposit each time the animal visits and show proof of all shots. If the animal is going to live with the resident, the deposit need only be paid once. Failure to comply will result in eviction of the resident. Seriously.

2. All dogs must be kept on a short leash. Any one using a leash over three feet will be fined and the animal will be barred from the property. blink

3. All outside windows must be washed once a month. The siding and doors must be free of dust and dirt. Now wait a fucking minute. How is 89 year old granny suppose to fucking clean the god damned siding and wash windows that go 8 ft off the ground?

4. All areas outside of the apartment, including personal gardening areas, must be free of weeds. Failure to comply will result in a $50 fine for each day of noncompliance.

And it goes on and on. HUD doesn't have any such rules. I've spoken with the State Attorney's office and they said that because it is private property that the owners can make any rules that do not violate my Constitutional rights. Erm... what about the monthly searches? She said that is a grey area. A grey area? WTF? What about the watering? 120 a month in a Texas summer? I have to go for days without AC and my diet is far from nutritional just to comply with all of the stupid rules. I haven't been out to eat, gone out for a cup of coffee, or bought so much as a fucking candle for ambiance in eons. Can't afford it. No phone, TV or extras. This feels more like a punishment than a help. We're treated like subhuman criminals who live in prison. Our recourse? We can leave.

So for the folks who think that those of us who need public assistance to get by live footloose and fancy free - we most certainly do not. It's humiliating, degrading and totalitarian. It's why we call this complex "Nazi Square". And the rules keep coming. Sometimes two and three new ones a month. It's insane.

Thanks. Just needed to vent.

Last Edited by Eireann on 09/03/2013 09:21 AM
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Sounds like living in a prison. All the best
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Yet you can afford a GLP gold star.

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Assume much?

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As many of you know, I'm mentally disabled.

*pauses for laughter*

Besides having PTSD, I am losing my memory at a rather alarming rate. I have good days and bad days. If you ever follow my writing/posts, you can pretty much tell which days were good and which days were bad. Anyway, because I'm only 47 I am on disability but I don't qualify for Social Security for another 20 years. No worries. I am working at building my own business doing research. Not an easy task with a memory problem, but one has to do what one has to do.

Because my disability is only $699 a month, I need to live in a rent assisted housing facility. Here in Texas the waiting list for a Section 8 housing voucher is years long so I opted to rent in a housing program that is offered by the community where I live. It is overseen by HUD, but it is privately owned property which is reimbursed for the remainder of the rent due through a state HUD grant program.

Now because it is privately owned, they can make their own rules. Not a problem, right? Erm. Maybe. The Housing Authority is run by Board of investors. This is a very small town with about zip for crime and everyone practically knows each other by name. This board makes some really interesting rules. I'm just going to name a few to see what you all think. Now I'd like to point out that I am the youngest person in this complex which is made up of 16 one bedroom units. The rest of the people who live here are all retired elderly and are all widowed with grown children.

Once a month we have a housing inspection. These inspections get weirder and weirder as the months go by. While I can understand the reasoning behind some of the - rules - I can't help but find many of them personally offensive and horrendously disrespectful to the elderly living here.

1. They check my dresser drawers, closets, cabinets and other furniture drawers for hidden drugs or drug paraphernalia.

2. They require my apartment to be as clean as a hospital. I've been in some of the board member's houses and I can tell you that they do not live up to their own standards.

3. Even though we are all on a limited income, we are required to water the lawns around our apartments to keep bugs out. Anyone care to wonder a guess at how much my water bill runs? Some of these elderly live on far less since they were housewives and mothers and did not work outside of the home.

4. There can not be any dust, streaks, or dirt on the windows. All window blinds must be free of dust or dirt and not be damaged in any way. We pay to have the blinds put in, btw.

5. If we have a pet, we are required to pay a 300 dollar non-refundable deposit. Yes...a deposit which is non-refundable. It should be called a fee if it isn't refundable, but oh well.

Here are some of the other rules which really chap my ass.

1. Any family member who brings over a resident's personal pet, must pay a 300 dollar non-refundable deposit each time the animal visits and show proof of all shots. If the animal is going to live with the resident, they deposit need only be paid once. Failure to comply will result in eviction of the resident. Seriously.

2. All dogs must be kept on a short leash. Any one using a leash over three feet will be fined and the animal will be barred from the property. blink

3. All outside windows must be washed once a month. The siding and doors must be free of dust and dirt. Now wait a fucking minute. How is 89 year old granny suppose to fucking clean the god damned siding and wash windows that go 8 ft off the ground?

4. All areas outside of the apartment, including personal gardening areas, must be free of weeds. Failure to comply will result in a $50 fine for each day of noncompliance.

And it goes on and on. HUD doesn't have any such rules. I've spoken with the State Attorney's office and they said that because it is private property that the owners can make any rules that do not violate my Constitutional rights. Erm... what about the monthly searches? She said that is a grey area. A grey area? WTF? What about the watering? 120 a month in a Texas summer? I have to go for days without AC and my diet is far from nutritional just to comply with all of the stupid rules. I haven't been out to eat, gone out for a cup of coffee, or bought so much as a fucking candle for ambiance in eons. Can't afford it. No phone, TV or extras. This feels more like a punishment than a help. We're treated like subhuman criminals who live in prison. Our recourse? We can leave.

So for the folks who think that those of us who need public assistance to get by live footloose and fancy free - we most certainly do not. It's humiliating, degrading and totalitarian. It's why we call this complex "Nazi Square". And the rules keep coming. Sometimes two and three new ones a month. It's insane.

Thanks. Just needed to vent.
 Quoting: Éireann


hf

Sorry to hear about that. Sounds really awful and hope something positive happens to get you out of there soon.
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Move to the UK they will give you double that amount for a month
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Sorry to hear of that, sounds really annoying. I admire you for your determination in research and for persevering.

BTW the opening to this rant cracked me up.

much love!
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Move to the UK they will give you double that amount for a month
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Blah. I don't want more stuff, I just want to be left alone. I'm a grown woman. I don't need a set of rules to live by. I used to be someone once. Just because I'm broken now they seem to think that they can do with me as they please.
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Sorry to hear of that, sounds really annoying. I admire you for your determination in research and for persevering.

BTW the opening to this rant cracked me up.

much love!
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Teehee :) You know me, eekers. I have to laugh to keep from crying. Being Irish, I have absolutely no trouble laughing at myself. Keeps ya humble and down to earth :)
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Remember, Ireland soon. hf
"The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title."

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Remember, Ireland soon. hf
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Ohhh... and I can't wait!

You hear that, Aldabaran? Get the lead out! chuckle

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Eireann~

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20
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Move to the UK they will give you double that amount for a month
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Double the amount of money?
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Double the amount of rules?
verysad

Both?
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Yet you can afford a GLP gold star.

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Assume much?

Someone paid for it. It was an anonymous gift. No one has ever come forward so I could thank them. One day I just had a year's subscription and I don't know who gifted it.
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You deserved it! hf
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Not entirely surprising on the rules.

People trash subsidized housing all the time in my home state.

One of those 'this is why we can't have nice things' types of situations.
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This thread is just begging for the super i-worked-harder-than-you trolls to jump out and start hollering about useless eaters. I'd just like to preemptively warn those hard working, hard hating, hard judging Earnest Citizens that anybody could be in a position someday to rely on public housing, even temporarily.

OP, best of luck to you in your situation.

Cheers,

Allen Tardman
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As many of you know, I'm mentally disabled.

*pauses for laughter*

Besides having PTSD, I am losing my memory at a rather alarming rate. I have good days and bad days. If you ever follow my writing/posts, you can pretty much tell which days were good and which days were bad. Anyway, because I'm only 47 I am on disability but I don't qualify for Social Security for another 20 years. No worries. I am working at building my own business doing research. Not an easy task with a memory problem, but one has to do what one has to do.

Because my disability is only $699 a month, I need to live in a rent assisted housing facility. Here in Texas the waiting list for a Section 8 housing voucher is years long so I opted to rent in a housing program that is offered by the community where I live. It is overseen by HUD, but it is privately owned property which is reimbursed for the remainder of the rent due through a state HUD grant program.

Now because it is privately owned, they can make their own rules. Not a problem, right? Erm. Maybe. The Housing Authority is run by Board of investors. This is a very small town with about zip for crime and everyone practically knows each other by name. This board makes some really interesting rules. I'm just going to name a few to see what you all think. Now I'd like to point out that I am the youngest person in this complex which is made up of 16 one bedroom units. The rest of the people who live here are all retired elderly and are all widowed with grown children.

Once a month we have a housing inspection. These inspections get weirder and weirder as the months go by. While I can understand the reasoning behind some of the - rules - I can't help but find many of them personally offensive and horrendously disrespectful to the elderly living here.

1. They check my dresser drawers, closets, cabinets and other furniture drawers for hidden drugs or drug paraphernalia.

2. They require my apartment to be as clean as a hospital. I've been in some of the board member's houses and I can tell you that they do not live up to their own standards.

3. Even though we are all on a limited income, we are required to water the lawns around our apartments to keep bugs out. Anyone care to wonder a guess at how much my water bill runs? Some of these elderly live on far less since they were housewives and mothers and did not work outside of the home.

4. There can not be any dust, streaks, or dirt on the windows. All window blinds must be free of dust or dirt and not be damaged in any way. We pay to have the blinds put in, btw.

5. If we have a pet, we are required to pay a 300 dollar non-refundable deposit. Yes...a deposit which is non-refundable. It should be called a fee if it isn't refundable, but oh well.

Here are some of the other rules which really chap my ass.

1. Any family member who brings over a resident's personal pet, must pay a 300 dollar non-refundable deposit each time the animal visits and show proof of all shots. If the animal is going to live with the resident, the deposit need only be paid once. Failure to comply will result in eviction of the resident. Seriously.

2. All dogs must be kept on a short leash. Any one using a leash over three feet will be fined and the animal will be barred from the property. blink

3. All outside windows must be washed once a month. The siding and doors must be free of dust and dirt. Now wait a fucking minute. How is 89 year old granny suppose to fucking clean the god damned siding and wash windows that go 8 ft off the ground?

4. All areas outside of the apartment, including personal gardening areas, must be free of weeds. Failure to comply will result in a $50 fine for each day of noncompliance.

And it goes on and on. HUD doesn't have any such rules. I've spoken with the State Attorney's office and they said that because it is private property that the owners can make any rules that do not violate my Constitutional rights. Erm... what about the monthly searches? She said that is a grey area. A grey area? WTF? What about the watering? 120 a month in a Texas summer? I have to go for days without AC and my diet is far from nutritional just to comply with all of the stupid rules. I haven't been out to eat, gone out for a cup of coffee, or bought so much as a fucking candle for ambiance in eons. Can't afford it. No phone, TV or extras. This feels more like a punishment than a help. We're treated like subhuman criminals who live in prison. Our recourse? We can leave.

So for the folks who think that those of us who need public assistance to get by live footloose and fancy free - we most certainly do not. It's humiliating, degrading and totalitarian. It's why we call this complex "Nazi Square". And the rules keep coming. Sometimes two and three new ones a month. It's insane.

Thanks. Just needed to vent.
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How can you comply if you have memory issues?! I think these rules are over the top. Its about money only.
"The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title."

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Tenants get together and agree to hire out window washing and lawn care to someone's able bodied grandson or nephew. Or just some unemployed person who is willing to take on the job.

Some kid could get in there and wash all the windows and do all of the lawncare without various people having to set up and do each task individually. Most of the effort here would actually be in the setting up of equipment. One person -- or a two or three man crew -- could just set up, do it all, get paid and get it over with for everybody.
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Another frackin leech.
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Yet you can afford a GLP gold star.

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Always got to be one assuming asshole on any thread such as this.norespect
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This thread is just begging for the super i-worked-harder-than-you trolls to jump out and start hollering about useless eaters. I'd just like to preemptively warn those hard working, hard hating, hard judging Earnest Citizens that anybody could be in a position someday to rely on public housing, even temporarily.

OP, best of luck to you in your situation.

Cheers,

Allen Tardman
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Also, Rodney Dangerfield is going to be out in full force.
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Eireann!!!!

I am shocked speechless!

I had to quit reading after the first paragraph!

YOU and I, my friend, are living in the exact same hellish nightmare housing arrangement/facility. Only mine is in Oklahoma.

It is sucking the life out of me and has been for the year I've lived here now.

I'll go back and see how similar these rules are at "my" place and report back.

But after reading the first one about the monthly bug inspection where they open our drawers (my blood boils over this every month!) I had to take a minute and say, "Howdy, Neighbor!"
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Well, I hate to sound like I'm jumping the OP, but I have to agree with MOST of those rules.....

Why?

Because - first of all - subsidized housing means your home is SUBSIDIZED by someone else's tax dollars. That would be me.

I, for one, am HAPPY to see a subsidized housing program where the inhabitants are required to take care of the property.

Most subsidized housing units I have seen are trashed beyond the ability to house human beings. They turn into trash holes which should be torn down. The people living in them would have an easier time if they lived under bridges or in truck stop bathrooms.

While I'm sure there are reasons for all the rules, I'm also sure anyone who goes to this extent to keep the property well-maintained can make provisions for the 89 year-old who cannot clean the siding on the second floor (or maybe even the first floor!!) of her unit.

Take care, OP. I'm proud of your accomplishments. I'm sure you can move out eventually (from your own money-making endeavor), and live WHERE EVER and HOW EVER you want!
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Yet you can afford a GLP gold star.

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Actually why don't you STFU!!!!!!!!
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Live with the rules if your rent is being subsidized by the tax base. OR, start that business and struggle for yourself with fewer rules.
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Wow, a lot of rules, hang in there till you can get into section 8 housing.

If I may suggest, you have a perfect part time job right in front of you.

Start a cleaning business for you elderly neighbors: light housework, weeding, window cleaning and etc.

I know they have limited income but you could maybe charge 15 - 20 a session and do it once a month before inspection.

hf
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This feels more like a punishment than a help. We're treated like subhuman criminals who live in prison. Our recourse? We can leave.

So for the folks who think that those of us who need public assistance to get by live footloose and fancy free - we most certainly do not. It's humiliating, degrading and totalitarian. It's why we call this complex "Nazi Square". And the rules keep coming. Sometimes two and three new ones a month. It's insane.


Thanks. Just needed to vent.
 Quoting: Éireann


Ain't it the truth!

Last night I came home from work and visited a new neighbor who just moved in.

She's already so depressed she can't stand it. We talked about this oppressive atmosphere, wondering what we did in our lives to deserve ending up here.

Well, I'm busting out of here one day! I don't know when I'll be able to because they suck all my paycheck out of me but I'm going to do it, damn it to hell!

I thought the whole point in my coming here was to help me get back up on my feet and get back out there as a productive member of society.

If they have it their way I'll die here and all of my belongings will be tossed into the semi-annual garage sale with the money being pocketed by the apartment manager!

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Let me add this too:

Personally, I'll bet you're going to find that where you live now is much nicer than Section 8 home you think you want to get into.

With more rules comes a standard of living which makes the tenants more responsible.
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And by the way, I call the place I'm living the "Nuthouse". I've seriously considered submitting an idea for reality TV that centers around the insanity of this place.
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With more rules comes a standard of living which makes the tenants more responsible.
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300 bucks for the dog to visit has nothing to do with responsibility.
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Are you Christian?
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