A Clarification on ObamaCare and Why We are Fucked. | |
beeches
User ID: 28167778 United States 08/17/2013 05:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look. Quoting: Soma/Comatose All this shit about Obammy Care and everything else he has "done" is pretty much pointless. If he didn't do it, someone else would have and it could have been worse or better. We will never know. The solution to this is not crying in our milk, but getting people to understand what the REAL implications are and doing something about it. all shit about obammy matters a very great deal. Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16325266 United States 08/17/2013 07:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I keep hearing people say that the bill that made the individual mandate a tax originated in the Senate. This is not true, unfortunately. This is what happened. Quoting: Éireann They cheated. When the 111th Congress went back into session after the summer holiday in 2009, the House went to work on it's part of the ACHA bill - HR 3962. The Senate wanted to start working on its own provisions for the bill, but since any laws that deal with a tax must first start in the House, the Senate used H.R. 3590, a bill regarding housing tax breaks for service members. The Senate took up this bill since it was first passed by the House as a revenue-related modification to the Internal Revenue Code. The bill was then used as the Senate's vehicle for their health care reform proposal, completely revising the content of the bill. So it did originate in the House, just not the provision for the Individual Mandate from what I can gather. It's such a fuck up and a slight of hand it's hard as hell for me to track down exactly which bill did what - where. So that's how we ended up with a Senate Bill and a House Bill comprising the Affordable Health Care Act. It's made up of the following two bills. Senate (HR 3590) - The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010. [link to www.gpo.gov] and House (HR 3692)- The Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 30, 2010. Now if this doesn't piss you off to the point of being done with the whole lot of them up there, I don't know what it's going to take to get people to do something. If you haven't seen the movie "Good" with Viggo Mortensen, I recommend it. Righties are not smart people, because it pays very well these days to be ignorant. The Obama health care plan is the original republican health care plan, yet because Obama is pushing the their bill, now people don't like it. Read for yourselves 24 years before the right-wing Heritage Foundation Think Tank, they developed this health care plan, which is how then Governor Mitt Romney got his his health care plan implemented in Massachusetts. But this requires you Righties to give up those lies that you had been holding on to for the last six years. Anyways just information which is available. If Obama is for it you guys will be against it. Tomorrow if Obama came out and said I am against abortion, you guys would start being for abortion the next day. If Obama came out and said that he supports 100% everything the NRA is for you guys would be against it the next day, truly you all are some sick people and need some serious medical attention. +1 |
Éireann
(OP) User ID: 45257641 United States 08/17/2013 11:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I keep hearing people say that the bill that made the individual mandate a tax originated in the Senate. This is not true, unfortunately. This is what happened. Quoting: Éireann They cheated. When the 111th Congress went back into session after the summer holiday in 2009, the House went to work on it's part of the ACHA bill - HR 3962. The Senate wanted to start working on its own provisions for the bill, but since any laws that deal with a tax must first start in the House, the Senate used H.R. 3590, a bill regarding housing tax breaks for service members. The Senate took up this bill since it was first passed by the House as a revenue-related modification to the Internal Revenue Code. The bill was then used as the Senate's vehicle for their health care reform proposal, completely revising the content of the bill. So it did originate in the House, just not the provision for the Individual Mandate from what I can gather. It's such a fuck up and a slight of hand it's hard as hell for me to track down exactly which bill did what - where. So that's how we ended up with a Senate Bill and a House Bill comprising the Affordable Health Care Act. It's made up of the following two bills. Senate (HR 3590) - The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010. [link to www.gpo.gov] and House (HR 3692)- The Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 30, 2010. Now if this doesn't piss you off to the point of being done with the whole lot of them up there, I don't know what it's going to take to get people to do something. If you haven't seen the movie "Good" with Viggo Mortensen, I recommend it. Righties are not smart people, because it pays very well these days to be ignorant. The Obama health care plan is the original republican health care plan, yet because Obama is pushing the their bill, now people don't like it. Read for yourselves 24 years before the right-wing Heritage Foundation Think Tank, they developed this health care plan, which is how then Governor Mitt Romney got his his health care plan implemented in Massachusetts. But this requires you Righties to give up those lies that you had been holding on to for the last six years. Anyways just information which is available. If Obama is for it you guys will be against it. Tomorrow if Obama came out and said I am against abortion, you guys would start being for abortion the next day. If Obama came out and said that he supports 100% everything the NRA is for you guys would be against it the next day, truly you all are some sick people and need some serious medical attention. +1 I wouldn't have liked their option any better. I was against it when they presented it. Why? Because they do not create law in the interest of the common good unless it first benefits their good. D or R makes no difference. They just change the words until they get a majority of the mob to agree and follow along. Eireann~ I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20 |
Éireann
(OP) User ID: 45257641 United States 08/17/2013 11:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That they exempted themselves from it shows me that it is "good" enough to meet the care of the peasants, but not good enough for the master. If I was strong enough, I'd abolish this government and start over!!! The American Revolution was fought over issues far less vexing that this! Eireann~ I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 4991783 United States 08/18/2013 12:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Reading anything to do with ObamaCare is "cruel and unusual punishment". They passed that Crap at a midnight vote, without reading Obama's bible with Nazi Pelosi leading the breach. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45289610 Time to bail ship... People need to understand what they did. This is not the only issue being made into law this way. Yes, TARP was passed the same way. It wasn't declared illegal then, so they used it again for Obamacare. Fuckers. Our government is a big giant fucker. |
Nikola Tesla
User ID: 32247584 United States 08/18/2013 05:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Besides. If AHCA is so wonderful and going to help so many people, then why isn't it good enough for Congress? They wrote it. It should be right up to their standards, yes? Quoting: Éireann That they exempted themselves from it shows me that it is "good" enough to meet the care of the peasants, but not good enough for the master. If I was strong enough, I'd abolish this government and start over!!! The American Revolution was fought over issues far less vexing that this! Hear, Hear! Éireann that is exactly the point. The elected officials view themselves as above the rest of society and the masses. "Don't do as I do; do as I say" should be their incantation. NT "One person with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson "You’ve heard that we are what we eat. But we also are what we think". “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." -William F. Buckley Jr. |
Éireann
(OP) User ID: 45381009 United States 08/19/2013 07:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Besides. If AHCA is so wonderful and going to help so many people, then why isn't it good enough for Congress? They wrote it. It should be right up to their standards, yes? Quoting: Éireann That they exempted themselves from it shows me that it is "good" enough to meet the care of the peasants, but not good enough for the master. If I was strong enough, I'd abolish this government and start over!!! The American Revolution was fought over issues far less vexing that this! Hear, Hear! Éireann that is exactly the point. The elected officials view themselves as above the rest of society and the masses. "Don't do as I do; do as I say" should be their incantation. NT Thanks, NT. I'm wondering if it's too late to change our course and still keep the original document our founders wrote. At this point, wouldn't we have to start over from scratch given all of the resolutions and mandates that "explain and clarify" our Constitution? Or can we just scrap all of the bullshit law and start over with the original Constitution minus the 3/5s crap?? (I've never understood that section, actually..) Eireann~ I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20 |
Rudib770
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 44201593 United States 08/24/2013 05:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I keep hearing people say that the bill that made the individual mandate a tax originated in the Senate. This is not true, unfortunately. This is what happened. Quoting: Éireann They cheated. When the 111th Congress went back into session after the summer holiday in 2009, the House went to work on it's part of the ACHA bill - HR 3962. The Senate wanted to start working on its own provisions for the bill, but since any laws that deal with a tax must first start in the House, the Senate used H.R. 3590, a bill regarding housing tax breaks for service members. The Senate took up this bill since it was first passed by the House as a revenue-related modification to the Internal Revenue Code. The bill was then used as the Senate's vehicle for their health care reform proposal, completely revising the content of the bill. So it did originate in the House, just not the provision for the Individual Mandate from what I can gather. It's such a fuck up and a slight of hand it's hard as hell for me to track down exactly which bill did what - where. So that's how we ended up with a Senate Bill and a House Bill comprising the Affordable Health Care Act. It's made up of the following two bills. Senate (HR 3590) - The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010. [link to www.gpo.gov] and House (HR 3692)- The Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 30, 2010. Now if this doesn't piss you off to the point of being done with the whole lot of them up there, I don't know what it's going to take to get people to do something. If you haven't seen the movie "Good" with Viggo Mortensen, I recommend it. Hey there K. Your OPs are so well written that it is so hard to comment on other than...excellent thinking and writing, which is your usual. Sorry, I'm not much help, it's like you have already spoken on my behalf, only better said and thought out. Another :5stars: thread for you. |
Éireann
(OP) User ID: 45665097 United States 08/24/2013 05:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I keep hearing people say that the bill that made the individual mandate a tax originated in the Senate. This is not true, unfortunately. This is what happened. Quoting: Éireann They cheated. When the 111th Congress went back into session after the summer holiday in 2009, the House went to work on it's part of the ACHA bill - HR 3962. The Senate wanted to start working on its own provisions for the bill, but since any laws that deal with a tax must first start in the House, the Senate used H.R. 3590, a bill regarding housing tax breaks for service members. The Senate took up this bill since it was first passed by the House as a revenue-related modification to the Internal Revenue Code. The bill was then used as the Senate's vehicle for their health care reform proposal, completely revising the content of the bill. So it did originate in the House, just not the provision for the Individual Mandate from what I can gather. It's such a fuck up and a slight of hand it's hard as hell for me to track down exactly which bill did what - where. So that's how we ended up with a Senate Bill and a House Bill comprising the Affordable Health Care Act. It's made up of the following two bills. Senate (HR 3590) - The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010. [link to www.gpo.gov] and House (HR 3692)- The Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 30, 2010. Now if this doesn't piss you off to the point of being done with the whole lot of them up there, I don't know what it's going to take to get people to do something. If you haven't seen the movie "Good" with Viggo Mortensen, I recommend it. Hey there K. Your OPs are so well written that it is so hard to comment on other than...excellent thinking and writing, which is your usual. Sorry, I'm not much help, it's like you have already spoken on my behalf, only better said and thought out. Another thread for you. Thank you, ADSR :) I appreciate the compliment! There aren't a lot of people on this forum who do not "get" me so it's nice to know when there is someone who does :) Last Edited by Eireann on 08/24/2013 02:54 PM Eireann~ I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20 |
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Chrit
User ID: 51395437 United States 01/03/2014 11:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As a tax bill It required a 2/3 majority to pass the house. Snip; H R 3590 2/3 YEA-AND-NAY 8-Oct-2009 12:15 PM [link to clerk.house.gov] It got the votes in the house, it then went to the senate where they stripped the bill all together and rewrote it adding 2000 pages to the original short tax bill. That’s the short version, they really added over 11,000 pages to the bill, that’s another story though. Senate Snip; Required for majority ½ [link to www.senate.gov] They then sent it back to the house where it should have again needed a 2/3 majority to pass because it was not the original bill or a simple amendment. They instead changed procedures forcing it through as a concurrence and not a tax bill. Snip; H R 3590 RECORDED VOTE 21-Mar-2010 10:49 PM QUESTION: On Motion to Concur in Senate Amendments BILL TITLE: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act [link to clerk.house.gov] The hosue claims they have the procedural right to make the change as per Article I, section 5 [link to usgovinfo.about.com] but that’s an over step that needs to go to court. If it’s allowed to stand then the house should be dissolved all together, because they could say pass a 1 cent tax on gum, send it to the senate and the senate removes the 1 cent tax and adds 5000 other taxes to the bill, none of which would have passes the house in the first place, then they force it though the house again with a simple majority and no original wording of the 1 cent gum tax left at all in the bill. Last Edited by Chrit on 01/03/2014 11:25 AM I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw. We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three. |