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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 45114646 United States08/17/2013 12:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is the R plan for healthcare???? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15269565 Oh yeah, now I remember... We get gouged by the insurance "industry" and 50,000 Americans die every year unnecessarily.  off your azheimers treatment granny ? giving the finger to ALL KNOWING FACTS ? LM@O as obummer care's INCREASED THE COSTS gra_ma so maybe FIND your reading glasses and READ. right back at ya !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  and OP ? wouldn't it be eist ? not the root verb ?Eisteacht |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83802 United States08/17/2013 01:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yeah, who needs doctors to be licensed? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83802 free market health care works great in Somalia! More than 200,000 people die every year because of avoidable mistakes in operating rooms, hospitals and doctors' offices. Oh yea, that licensing is doing wonders! right, so we should assume it would be better without licensing? geez.  |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 43827782 United States08/17/2013 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let me tell you, I am absolutely for a National Health Care plan. The USA has the most expensive health care in the world per person, and almost half the population has no access to it Quoting: Sivaro Here's an idea: restore a free market in healthcare. Get the government out of medical licencing, drug approval, mandates, payments, subsidies, etc. We will have affordable medicine and services at a much higher quality. The people will be so enriched that charitable care of the seriously downtrodden will be a trivial matter (as it once was). The crisis is not about "ACCESS" - that is communist propaganda! It's about goverment squashing the free market - destroying supply, attacking schools of medicine that compete with BigPharma, while artificially boosting demand. yeah, who needs doctors to be licensed? free market health care works great in Somalia! Without Federal Government interference, doctors can and will be licenced (as they were) by private institutions. Prior to the FDA-enforced "allopathic" monopoly spurred by Rockefeller interests, there were competing schools of medicine: Homeopathic - use of water harmonics Eclectic - bringing the body's systems back in balance through natural means. Allopathic - bleeding, use of large amounts of heavy metals lead, mercury, and arsenic, and later tar coal derived synthetic compounds Industrial interests leaned on the Government to abolish all schools of medicine besides the AMA (Allopathic) essentially granting it a monopoly. This is what your beloved cattle ranchers have wrought, (flippant comment about Somalia notwithstanding).  |
Crazy Harriet
 User ID: 36677216  Japan08/17/2013 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's a head tax on poor working stiffs who aren't party apparatchiks. The wealthy, democrats and politicians' friends are all exempt. No need to show an income - just be alive and breathing and they'll take whatever you have left. "I would rather take a political risk in pursuit of peace, than risk peace in pursuit of politics." - Donald Trump |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 45285068 United States08/17/2013 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are correct about this bill being one of the worst. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45285068 You are wrong about half of the population not having access, it is closer to 15%. Single payer? medicare? currently Medicare faces an unfunded liability of $38.6 trillion. How, exactly is that any better? Why is healthcare so expensive? One reason is the AMA setting prices and outlining procedures and treatments; the net result of this is no true competition among providers which is why it was formed by Rockefeller et al. The idea of national healthcare is a utopian dream that can never be realized. The free market can and would fix most if not all the problems with the healthcare system if it were allowed to function. You are also correct about the citizens being screwed... All of Europe and Canada, New Zealand and Australians would disagree. They have had National healthcare for decades upon decades. It is cheaper on the taxpayers than what the USA has, and EVERYONE has access to it. Not a utopian dream, its a reality and has been for a long time.. We should have used some of the best examples of these systems and blended them to make the best possible National Health Care the world has seen. But...Nope.. Just a sell out to the Wealthy Private for profit owners. You are promoting socialism and every socialist system ever implemented has failed because it wishes things were different than they are. Oh yea, Europe is in wonderful shape economically. All those countries are broke and going deeper into to debt every day and there is no way out. The politicians know if they try and remove the system the idiots will revolt and remove them. There is NO WAY a nationalized health care system can be made to work in a fiscally responsible way, despite your wishes. It is a Utopian dream. The math doesn't lie, politicians and governments do but math does not. No matter what you do there will always be more people taking out than are putting in, in all of recorded history this has been true. When the price of something goes to zero or close to it, the demand for that product increases beyond the capacity of the system to provide. You can hope and wish all you like but it does not change the math. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 45285068 United States08/17/2013 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yeah, who needs doctors to be licensed? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83802 free market health care works great in Somalia! More than 200,000 people die every year because of avoidable mistakes in operating rooms, hospitals and doctors' offices. Oh yea, that licensing is doing wonders! right, so we should assume it would be better without licensing? geez. Can you prove it wouldn't be? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83802 United States08/17/2013 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It was included in the Obamacare system as a consolation to the GOP to garner support. If you recall, during the year long of debates of the US going towards a national health care system, the GOP strictly opposed the single payer option. They repeatedly argued that a single payer option would kill the insurance industry. So, the compromise was to table the single payer and include the right wing idea of the individual mandate to appease the insurance industry. |
| Sivaro
User ID: 8361466 United States08/17/2013 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are correct about this bill being one of the worst. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45285068 You are wrong about half of the population not having access, it is closer to 15%. Single payer? medicare? currently Medicare faces an unfunded liability of $38.6 trillion. How, exactly is that any better? Why is healthcare so expensive? One reason is the AMA setting prices and outlining procedures and treatments; the net result of this is no true competition among providers which is why it was formed by Rockefeller et al. The idea of national healthcare is a utopian dream that can never be realized. The free market can and would fix most if not all the problems with the healthcare system if it were allowed to function. You are also correct about the citizens being screwed... All of Europe and Canada, New Zealand and Australians would disagree. They have had National healthcare for decades upon decades. It is cheaper on the taxpayers than what the USA has, and EVERYONE has access to it. Not a utopian dream, its a reality and has been for a long time.. We should have used some of the best examples of these systems and blended them to make the best possible National Health Care the world has seen. But...Nope.. Just a sell out to the Wealthy Private for profit owners. You are promoting socialism and every socialist system ever implemented has failed because it wishes things were different than they are. Oh yea, Europe is in wonderful shape economically. All those countries are broke and going deeper into to debt every day and there is no way out. The politicians know if they try and remove the system the idiots will revolt and remove them. There is NO WAY a nationalized health care system can be made to work in a fiscally responsible way, despite your wishes. It is a Utopian dream. The math doesn't lie, politicians and governments do but math does not. No matter what you do there will always be more people taking out than are putting in, in all of recorded history this has been true. When the price of something goes to zero or close to it, the demand for that product increases beyond the capacity of the system to provide. You can hope and wish all you like but it does not change the math. I disagree. Socialistic nations have a better standard of living, and the people live happier healthier lies. Capitalism is very dynamic, and an amazing system. But without regulations on it, it leads to Oligarchy. That is what we have today. And if you think American is on the rise you would be ignoring the obvious. Socialist nations are now doing better than we are, and America is NOT a socialistic nation. It is more akin to Oligarchy, and drifting into Communism or Fascism ( a blend of both actually). Last Edited by Sivaro on 08/17/2013 01:12 PM |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 43827782 United States08/17/2013 01:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Without Federal Government interference, doctors can and will be licenced (as they were) by private institutions. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43827782 Like the movie industry's MPAA, right? That works so well to encourage competition... I'm starting to think people like you should be kept on a cattle ranch. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83802 United States08/17/2013 01:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Without Federal Government interference, doctors can and will be licenced (as they were) by private institutions. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43827782 Like the movie industry's MPAA, right? That works so well to encourage competition... I'm starting to think people like you should be kept on a cattle ranch. well, that's a perfect example of a private industry self regulating without govt interference. Notice how the largest players control the power and prevent any independent competition. Why would it be any different in a different industry? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 45290884 United States08/17/2013 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's precisely the problem. You're just beginning to pay attention.  No that isn't true, many of us have been paying attention all along but unfortunately we have been overwhelmed by the "something for nothing crowd" who votes in high numbers for those who promise them the most free stuff. These very same people either don't work or "work" for this massive government. Either way they vote to keep the gravy train rolling. That gravy train is paid for by us... This is why the collapse of our welfare state is INEVITABLE. The ONLY question is WHEN, and HOW BAD IT WILL GET, when we hit bottom. The feds KNOW this and are PREPARING for THEIR SURVIVAL. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 45114646 United States08/17/2013 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is something like the dreaded and hated (British) poll tax of years ago - you have to pay in order to breathe. Life in a free country should consist of your free choices, but we all just got drafted into another war-based-upon-a-pack-of-lies. Just wanted to wake y'all up. Quoting: Mecca Wrecka 45177565 heheeeeeeeeee being THEY HAVE RULED that CO2 IS A POLLUTANT etc we are already paying for EXHALING. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 43696650 United States08/17/2013 01:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's pointless to argue over this because systems need some regulation to prevent abuses but it seems that people's nature is to need to control others and many let greed guide their actions. I'm sure that there's a happy medium to be found but it seems it always falls short on human's need to control others and greed. |
| Sivaro
User ID: 8361466 United States08/17/2013 01:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Without Federal Government interference, doctors can and will be licenced (as they were) by private institutions. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43827782 Like the movie industry's MPAA, right? That works so well to encourage competition... I'm starting to think people like you should be kept on a cattle ranch. well, that's a perfect example of a private industry self regulating without govt interference. Notice how the largest players control the power and prevent any independent competition. Why would it be any different in a different industry? Unregulated private money power. Yep, that's what many on GLP think is a good system. All it creates is Monopolies, Which is the exact opposite of a free market. The folks on GLP that want this type of system need to figure it out. DO you want a Free market? Or do you want the unlimited ability to hoard money and squelch entrepreneurs? You see, this is the beauty of Socialism, it allows for the FREE MARKET and reigns in the companies and persons whom get to wealthy.. In a socialistic nation, the Oil industry, the Medical industry, the Military industry, is taken over by the Government. Allowing one or two individuals to have that much power, leads to a destruction of the Nation. That's Socialism. A system that does not allow Oligarchs to exist, and allows for the free market to exist for small level businesses and Entrepreneurs. . Last Edited by Sivaro on 08/17/2013 01:34 PM |
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| Jennifer User ID: 35900057 United States08/17/2013 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's pointless to argue over this Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43696650 because systems need some regulation to prevent abuses but it seems that people's nature is to need to control others and many let greed guide their actions. I'm sure that there's a happy medium to be found but it seems it always falls short on human's need to control others and greed. My Observation in Life: 50% of Humanity practice greed n control of others for selfish reasons. 50% of Humanity practice empathy n service to others for selfless reasons. *** We are here on Earth to prove to ourselves and God to which camp we belong. He will take it from there after our probation is completed. [link to mormon.org] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 45089832 United States08/17/2013 01:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is the R plan for healthcare???? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15269565 Oh yeah, now I remember... We get gouged by the insurance "industry" and 50,000 Americans die every year unnecessarily. This is no longer about D's and R's. It hasn't been for a long time. Look at the Bush administration and the passage of the Patriot Act. That should have been our first clue, but we did nothing because they did not come for us, it was to stop terrorism. Remember? This stage is not so recently set. We have been deceived for quite some time. Yes, the stage is set, all the actors are in place and we are just waiting for the director to call: ACTION. Now, what I want to know is what does the ACT I script call for and when exactly. I see everything poised for something big and far-reaching, but what is IT. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 45114646 United States08/17/2013 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | everyone with 1/2 a brain knows that the individual mandate was an idea from the Heritage Foundation (right wing think tank) in the late 80s. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83802 It was included in the Obamacare system as a consolation to the GOP to garner support. If you recall, during the year long of debates of the US going towards a national health care system, the GOP strictly opposed the single payer option. They repeatedly argued that a single payer option would kill the insurance industry. So, the compromise was to table the single payer and include the right wing idea of the individual mandate to appease the insurance industry. ...........and the other half of your arse NEGLECTS TO MENTION hiLLARY CARE pelosi dodd tedd the keNNeddy rUMney of assachusettes etc CARE. there was NO compromise AND THAT'S why they had to sign it into a law. |
| Sivaro
User ID: 8361466 United States08/17/2013 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | everyone with 1/2 a brain knows that the individual mandate was an idea from the Heritage Foundation (right wing think tank) in the late 80s. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83802 It was included in the Obamacare system as a consolation to the GOP to garner support. If you recall, during the year long of debates of the US going towards a national health care system, the GOP strictly opposed the single payer option. They repeatedly argued that a single payer option would kill the insurance industry. So, the compromise was to table the single payer and include the right wing idea of the individual mandate to appease the insurance industry. Private insurance companies made the USA the most expensive and least accessible system in the world. APPEASING the failed policies and persons that got us into this mess to began with was a SELL OUT. The US should have instead jailed all of the owners of the private health care plans and broken up their predatory businesses. The Nations health care sucked with PRIVATE health care systems, and now will permanently suck, and we all will be forced to pay for the suckage. Last Edited by Sivaro on 08/17/2013 02:01 PM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 45156481 United States08/17/2013 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yet if one wants to free themselves from the system, they are not charged. It is only those that accept the system as is blindly then complain that it matters to, not those that turn their backs on the same governments and institutions that turned their backs on them. |
| judahbenhuer
User ID: 39815649 United States08/17/2013 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is the R plan for healthcare???? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15269565 Oh yeah, now I remember... We get gouged by the insurance "industry" and 50,000 Americans die every year unnecessarily. As opposed to paying a fine and no insurance coverage? Abortion kills more than 50,000 a year... “My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me. That is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave.” -Stonewall Jackson "The Bible that is falling apart usually belongs to a person who is not." - Charles Spurgeon “I apprehend no danger to our country from a foreign foe . . . Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger. I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing. Make them intelligent, and they will be vigilant; give them the means of detecting the wrong, and they will apply the remedy.” “If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper; but if we and our posterity neglect its instructions and authority, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us and bury all our glory in profound obscurity.” -Daniel Webster |
| judahbenhuer
User ID: 39815649 United States08/17/2013 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are correct about this bill being one of the worst. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45285068 You are wrong about half of the population not having access, it is closer to 15%. Single payer? medicare? currently Medicare faces an unfunded liability of $38.6 trillion. How, exactly is that any better? Why is healthcare so expensive? One reason is the AMA setting prices and outlining procedures and treatments; the net result of this is no true competition among providers which is why it was formed by Rockefeller et al. The idea of national healthcare is a utopian dream that can never be realized. The free market can and would fix most if not all the problems with the healthcare system if it were allowed to function. You are also correct about the citizens being screwed... All of Europe and Canada, New Zealand and Australians would disagree. They have had National healthcare for decades upon decades. It is cheaper on the taxpayers than what the USA has, and EVERYONE has access to it. Not a utopian dream, its a reality and has been for a long time.. We should have used some of the best examples of these systems and blended them to make the best possible National Health Care the world has seen. But...Nope.. Just a sell out to the Wealthy Private for profit owners. You are promoting socialism and every socialist system ever implemented has failed because it wishes things were different than they are. Oh yea, Europe is in wonderful shape economically. All those countries are broke and going deeper into to debt every day and there is no way out. The politicians know if they try and remove the system the idiots will revolt and remove them. There is NO WAY a nationalized health care system can be made to work in a fiscally responsible way, despite your wishes. It is a Utopian dream. The math doesn't lie, politicians and governments do but math does not. No matter what you do there will always be more people taking out than are putting in, in all of recorded history this has been true. When the price of something goes to zero or close to it, the demand for that product increases beyond the capacity of the system to provide. You can hope and wish all you like but it does not change the math. I disagree. Socialistic nations have a better standard of living, and the people live happier healthier lies. Capitalism is very dynamic, and an amazing system. But without regulations on it, it leads to Oligarchy. That is what we have today. And if you think American is on the rise you would be ignoring the obvious. Socialist nations are now doing better than we are, and America is NOT a socialistic nation. It is more akin to Oligarchy, and drifting into Communism or Fascism ( a blend of both actually). "Capitalism is very dynamic, and an amazing system. But without regulations on it, it leads to Oligarchy." ^^^^WRONG^^^^ This is why our government, capitalism and America in general is failing. "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams If you say that absence of regulations/law is the cause, then compare the laws we have today to the laws we had that governed men 200 or even 100 years ago. They are now nearly innumerable. It is not the lack of lack of law or regulation that is the cancer eating our country alive...it is the depravity of the people to obey the God that blessed them with their country in the first place. If man obeyed God's Word and lived in that reverence daily, then there would be no need to enact new laws to confine the wickedness of man, because man would be seeking to both do and live those things pleasing to God. By doing that, simple laws and regulations would be easily abided by because man's aspirations to live godly and just would exceed law. It is not the lack of regulations or laws that are the cause of society in moral decay. It is the wickedness of the heart lost in our current ocean of moral ambiguity. “My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me. That is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave.” -Stonewall Jackson "The Bible that is falling apart usually belongs to a person who is not." - Charles Spurgeon “I apprehend no danger to our country from a foreign foe . . . Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger. I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing. Make them intelligent, and they will be vigilant; give them the means of detecting the wrong, and they will apply the remedy.” “If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper; but if we and our posterity neglect its instructions and authority, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us and bury all our glory in profound obscurity.” -Daniel Webster |
| judahbenhuer
User ID: 39815649 United States08/17/2013 02:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83802 Like the movie industry's MPAA, right? That works so well to encourage competition... I'm starting to think people like you should be kept on a cattle ranch. well, that's a perfect example of a private industry self regulating without govt interference. Notice how the largest players control the power and prevent any independent competition. Why would it be any different in a different industry? Unregulated private money power. Yep, that's what many on GLP think is a good system. All it creates is Monopolies, Which is the exact opposite of a free market. The folks on GLP that want this type of system need to figure it out. DO you want a Free market? Or do you want the unlimited ability to hoard money and squelch entrepreneurs? You see, this is the beauty of Socialism, it allows for the FREE MARKET and reigns in the companies and persons whom get to wealthy.. In a socialistic nation, the Oil industry, the Medical industry, the Military industry, is taken over by the Government. Allowing one or two individuals to have that much power, leads to a destruction of the Nation. That's Socialism. A system that does not allow Oligarchs to exist, and allows for the free market to exist for small level businesses and Entrepreneurs. . Define 'WEALTHY' “My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me. That is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave.” -Stonewall Jackson "The Bible that is falling apart usually belongs to a person who is not." - Charles Spurgeon “I apprehend no danger to our country from a foreign foe . . . Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger. I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing. Make them intelligent, and they will be vigilant; give them the means of detecting the wrong, and they will apply the remedy.” “If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper; but if we and our posterity neglect its instructions and authority, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us and bury all our glory in profound obscurity.” -Daniel Webster |
| my 2 cents
User ID: 26646007  Canada08/17/2013 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your country is totally unrecognizable from what it was just a few decades ago...what a shame. :ohhprison 2014: Patriotism is supporting your country always -- and your government when they deserve it. Mark Twain Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who kept their swords. -Benjamin Franklin |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 45089832 United States08/17/2013 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | everyone with 1/2 a brain knows that the individual mandate was an idea from the Heritage Foundation (right wing think tank) in the late 80s. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83802 It was included in the Obamacare system as a consolation to the GOP to garner support. If you recall, during the year long of debates of the US going towards a national health care system, the GOP strictly opposed the single payer option. They repeatedly argued that a single payer option would kill the insurance industry. So, the compromise was to table the single payer and include the right wing idea of the individual mandate to appease the insurance industry. Private insurance companies made the USA the most expensive and least accessible system in the world. APPEASING the failed policies and persons that got us into this mess to began with was a SELL OUT. The US should have instead jailed all of the owners of the private health care plans and broken up their predatory businesses. Many years ago I worked for a pediatrician. I was the only employee and did everything. It was a strictly cash business (5 dollars, I think) so no paperwork was involved. My last trip to the doc was $25 co-pay plus insurance, and there were 5 employees. The Nations health care sucked with PRIVATE health care systems, and now will permanently suck, and we all will be forced to pay for the suckage. |
