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I keep hearing people say that the bill that made the individual mandate a tax originated in the Senate. This is not true, unfortunately. This is what happened.

They cheated.

When the 111th Congress went back into session after the summer holiday in 2009, the House went to work on it's part of the ACHA bill - HR 3962. The Senate wanted to start working on its own provisions for the bill, but since any laws that deal with a tax must first start in the House, the Senate used H.R. 3590, a bill regarding housing tax breaks for service members. The Senate took up this bill since it was first passed by the House as a revenue-related modification to the Internal Revenue Code. The bill was then used as the Senate's vehicle for their health care reform proposal, completely revising the content of the bill.

So it did originate in the House, just not the provision for the Individual Mandate from what I can gather. It's such a fuck up and a slight of hand it's hard as hell for me to track down exactly which bill did what - where.

So that's how we ended up with a Senate Bill and a House Bill comprising the Affordable Health Care Act. It's made up of the following two bills.

Senate (HR 3590) - The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010. [link to www.gpo.gov]

and

House (HR 3692)- The Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 30, 2010.


Now if this doesn't piss you off to the point of being done with the whole lot of them up there, I don't know what it's going to take to get people to do something. If you haven't seen the movie "Good" with Viggo Mortensen, I recommend it.

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Reading anything to do with ObamaCare is "cruel and unusual punishment". They passed that Crap at a midnight vote, without reading Obama's bible with Nazi Pelosi leading the breach.

Time to bail ship...
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Reading anything to do with ObamaCare is "cruel and unusual punishment". They passed that Crap at a midnight vote, without reading Obama's bible with Nazi Pelosi leading the breach.

Time to bail ship...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45289610

People need to understand what they did. This is not the only issue being made into law this way.

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You are correct, and I knew exactly what they were doing and told everyone that would listen, though very very few actually did. The dog and I think the cat paid attention until someother thought entered it's head. I am beginning to think that saying anything that doesn't toe the government line is an exersize in futility. If you disaggree with the President, you are a racist, terrorist, right-wing nut, Bible thumper, or a Tea Partier.
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You are correct, and I knew exactly what they were doing and told everyone that would listen, though very very few actually did. The dog and I think the cat paid attention until someother thought entered it's head. I am beginning to think that saying anything that doesn't toe the government line is an exersize in futility. If you disaggree with the President, you are a racist, terrorist, right-wing nut, Bible thumper, or a Tea Partier.
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I'm just a silly philosopher in an age where thinking is against the law :/
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Thank you for the pin. I hope a lot of people read this.
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They're evil and they want your blood (DNA).

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I can't fucking believe this is really happening. To the United States.
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Eventually they are going to have to raise your taxes. All of this government support going out to people and Americans pay such little taxes.
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Thanks Op, yeah we are fucked. It seems elitist want us dead. Simple as that.hf
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This brings to mind the old saying about making laws like making sausages, only this is more likely to make you want to vomit than seeing what goes into a sausage.

Thanks for taking the time, which must have been substantial, to wade through the deliberate mess they make...

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Racisst fucks. We all know why you really hate the poor. Don't we? Hmmmm?
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Ha! You think this is about "hating the poor"?

You have no idea what "poor" is at this point (you ARE posting on the Internet), but keep pushing the agenda for O & Co., and you'll one day find yourself wondering just why we're all living in a cardboard box.

Good post Éireann coffee4
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If you disagree with the President, you are a racist, terrorist, right-wing nut, Bible thumper, or a Tea Partier.
 Quoting: 071676


Perhaps we should wear it on our sleeves like a badge of courage then.
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Eventually they are going to have to raise your taxes. All of this government support going out to people and Americans pay such little taxes.
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Taxes doesn't pay for anything in the u.s .The selling of treasury bonds do. That is why we are in so much debt.
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I can't fucking believe this is really happening. To the United States.
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That's precisely the problem. You're just beginning to pay attention.

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Thanks Op, yeah we are fucked. It seems elitist want us dead. Simple as that.hf
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I for one will not be buying into health care insurance. For the past 7years I have not needed to see a doctor. Since it will come down to buying good food and paying rent or paying for insurance I won't use I guess I will be going to jail ,cuz I will choose what's right for me.
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I keep hearing people say that the bill that made the individual mandate a tax originated in the Senate. This is not true, unfortunately. This is what happened.

They cheated.

When the 111th Congress went back into session after the summer holiday in 2009, the House went to work on it's part of the ACHA bill - HR 3962. The Senate wanted to start working on its own provisions for the bill, but since any laws that deal with a tax must first start in the House, the Senate used H.R. 3590, a bill regarding housing tax breaks for service members. The Senate took up this bill since it was first passed by the House as a revenue-related modification to the Internal Revenue Code. The bill was then used as the Senate's vehicle for their health care reform proposal, completely revising the content of the bill.

So it did originate in the House, just not the provision for the Individual Mandate from what I can gather. It's such a fuck up and a slight of hand it's hard as hell for me to track down exactly which bill did what - where.

So that's how we ended up with a Senate Bill and a House Bill comprising the Affordable Health Care Act. It's made up of the following two bills.

Senate (HR 3590) - The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010. [link to www.gpo.gov]

and

House (HR 3692)- The Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 30, 2010.


Now if this doesn't piss you off to the point of being done with the whole lot of them up there, I don't know what it's going to take to get people to do something. If you haven't seen the movie "Good" with Viggo Mortensen, I recommend it.
 Quoting: Éireann


Great thread!! This government is so totally out of control. I keep hearing that this damned obamacare "is the law of the land and can not be changed". Reallly well seems to me that there were a lot of things that were the "law of the land" and were eventually "changed".

Prohibition springs to mind and we all know how that turned out...

Damn it where is the opposition to these useless bustards in congress destroying our country??????

What does Obama and company have on them that keeps the majority of them silent?
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I can't fucking believe this is really happening. To the United States.
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That's precisely the problem. You're just beginning to pay attention.

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No that isn't true, many of us have been paying attention all along but unfortunately we have been overwhelmed by the "something for nothing crowd" who votes in high numbers for those who promise them the most free stuff. These very same people either don't work or "work" for this massive government. Either way they vote to keep the gravy train rolling. That gravy train is paid for by us...
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I keep hearing people say that the bill that made the individual mandate a tax originated in the Senate. This is not true, unfortunately. This is what happened.

They cheated.

When the 111th Congress went back into session after the summer holiday in 2009, the House went to work on it's part of the ACHA bill - HR 3962. The Senate wanted to start working on its own provisions for the bill, but since any laws that deal with a tax must first start in the House, the Senate used H.R. 3590, a bill regarding housing tax breaks for service members. The Senate took up this bill since it was first passed by the House as a revenue-related modification to the Internal Revenue Code. The bill was then used as the Senate's vehicle for their health care reform proposal, completely revising the content of the bill.

So it did originate in the House, just not the provision for the Individual Mandate from what I can gather. It's such a fuck up and a slight of hand it's hard as hell for me to track down exactly which bill did what - where.

So that's how we ended up with a Senate Bill and a House Bill comprising the Affordable Health Care Act. It's made up of the following two bills.

Senate (HR 3590) - The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010. [link to www.gpo.gov]

and

House (HR 3692)- The Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 30, 2010.


Now if this doesn't piss you off to the point of being done with the whole lot of them up there, I don't know what it's going to take to get people to do something. If you haven't seen the movie "Good" with Viggo Mortensen, I recommend it.
 Quoting: Éireann


VERY SLIMY of them and I feel like a puppet that can't seem to break these strings they have on us that we MUST follow and have no control!!
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Reading anything to do with ObamaCare is "cruel and unusual punishment". They passed that Crap at a midnight vote, without reading Obama's bible with Nazi Pelosi leading the breach.

Time to bail ship...
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Oh this little sweetheart did that?

:young.pelosi:

She got a good 'start' with her career, didn't she?
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You are correct, and I knew exactly what they were doing and told everyone that would listen, though very very few actually did. The dog and I think the cat paid attention until someother thought entered it's head. I am beginning to think that saying anything that doesn't toe the government line is an exersize in futility. If you disaggree with the President, you are a racist, terrorist, right-wing nut, Bible thumper, or a Tea Partier.
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I'm just a silly philosopher in an age where thinking is against the law :/
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Very well may all be accurate but don't forget, one of the SCOTUS Judges appears to have been "convinced" to change his rather firm position on the matter, the night before the "ruling" & looked none to happy about it.
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Thanks E for this.

I have asked my doctor, and the health insurance agent that I met with recently. No one knows 'nothin'.

BTW, that health insurance guy seemed so depressed I couldn't stand it. He said nobody really knows anything yet until Oct. first. I think he was letting me know not to make any decisions until then. Hmmm.

And, of course they cheated. Perhaps that means it can be undone...
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I was talking to my Dad about the whole healthcare mess a few months back. He told me that his eye doctor told him things that made the hairs on the back of his neck stand up. We have had many discussions since about various current & past events.

It would appear as though Dad is waking up & its never too late to wake up - he is 78.

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You are correct, and I knew exactly what they were doing and told everyone that would listen, though very very few actually did. The dog and I think the cat paid attention until someother thought entered it's head. I am beginning to think that saying anything that doesn't toe the government line is an exersize in futility. If you disaggree with the President, you are a racist, terrorist, right-wing nut, Bible thumper, or a Tea Partier.
 Quoting: 071676

I'm just a silly philosopher in an age where thinking is against the law :/
 Quoting: Éireann


Very well may all be accurate but don't forget, one of the SCOTUS Judges appears to have been "convinced" to change his rather firm position on the matter, the night before the "ruling" & looked none to happy about it.
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That's why it's "RobertsCare" not "ObamaCare"
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Congress exempting themselves and giving waivers to the big unions that helped get it passed is icing on the cake of total corruption.
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What is the R plan for healthcare????


Oh yeah, now I remember...
We get gouged by the insurance "industry" and 50,000 Americans die every year unnecessarily.


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As opposed to paying a fine and no insurance coverage?
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If you disagree with the President, you are a racist, terrorist, right-wing nut, Bible thumper, or a Tea Partier.
 Quoting: 071676


Perhaps we should wear it on our sleeves like a badge of courage then.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45292527


More like a badge of honor.

Great post, OP. My country really seems to be breathing its last.
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What is the R plan for healthcare????


Oh yeah, now I remember...
We get gouged by the insurance "industry" and 50,000 Americans die every year unnecessarily.


granny
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God, you are stupid, we were not "gouged" by the insurance company you fucking idiot that is what democraps told you and what you were willing to believe.

This obamacare is a huge pay-off to big business who will eventually NOT provide health coverage for their employees and dump everyone onto the government healthcare and all we have to do is look at nationalized healthcare in Britain to know what shit that is going to be....

Government run anything is SHIT!!!!!

If you think your taxes are too high now just wait until they demand you pay 70% of your salary to make up for the fraud and abuse in the new nationalized healthcare system.

Or are you just a government parasite already???





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