Food testing in Fukushima, and observations about the results | |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 44725991 Japan 08/07/2013 02:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nope, i just try to show the Reality, the Truth and not such Bs. as we read here in the last Days! Look for the Numbers (Bq. a Kg) open every Source and try to understand! Like a Reality-check or a control of Quality! Don't fear the Truth. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44775364 Japan 08/07/2013 10:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do Fukushima’s farmers have a future? I first met Yauyuki Fujimura a few years before the 3/11 disaster, when I was writing Just Enough, a book about traditional Japanese approaches to sustainability. Fujimura is an engineer and inventor – a quite successful one – with many patents to his name. An outspoken eccentric, he had decided to purchase a large plot of land surrounding a small lake in Nasu-Shiobara, in Tochigi Prefecture, and build what he called an “alternate energy theme park.” Fujimura is an opponent of nuclear power, but he goes further, designing appliances and other devices for daily use, like refrigerators, dehumidifiers, stoves and lamps that do not require external sources of electricity (and often none at all), in an attempt to help society wean itself off any kind of centralized power generation. I visited his “theme park,” which he had named “Hi-denka Kobo,” or “Atelier Non-electric,” and found it to be charmingly improvised, a bit ramshackle in parts, and like Fujimura, brilliant and eccentric. When I heard after the disaster that Nasu had become a radioactive hotspot, with radiation levels similar to those of much of central Fukushima, I went to visit Fujimura the first chance I got. His living room was strewn with expensive high-end radiation detecting equipment, like high-spec scintillators and portable nuclide monitors, as well as textbooks and printouts on radiation. During that visit, he laid out his plan for helping Nasu, one that depended on using local expertise, with local farmers taking control of the measurement, decontamination and education processes. He told me he had gotten 50 farmers to join him. Today, the citizens’ group, an NPO called Nasu wo Kibo no Toride no Kai, (Make Nasu a Bastion of Hope), has about 500 members, with close cooperation among producers and sellers. Their standards are much stricter than the government's 100Bq/kg maximum allowable level for cesium in food. “At first,” explains Fujimura, “some of our members were insistent that cesium levels had to be reduced to zero. But I told them if that was the only acceptable level, there was nothing we could do. But my research had shown that it would be possible to reduce it to 37Bq/kg for almost all products, so if they could live with that, then we could continue farming in Nasu. That became our target.” Read more: [link to no1.fccj.ne.jp] It is interesting and a very Japanese Way. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37864819 United States 08/07/2013 10:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kevin Kamps, Radioactive Waste Watchdog at Beyond Nuclear: Well, the best I can come up with for what’s happening in recent days and weeks at Fukushima Daiichi is hemorrhaging of radioactivity. And the scariest part of all is that they don’t know where it’s coming from. But ultimately it’s coming from 3 melted down atomic reactor cores and severely damaged, if not entirely destroyed, radiological containment structures. That’s where it’s ultimately coming from. But why it’s getting out now in such a hurry all of a sudden is the big mystery. [link to enenews.com] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Thread: Fukushima plant is hemorrhaging radioactivity — “Scariest part of all is they don’t know where it’s coming from” at 3:40 for starters Japan allows for 100 Bq per kg of radioactive cesium in food beyond that it's considered unfit for human concumption. Incredibly in the US the standard is 1,200 bq per kg. So we easily can be importing contaminated food from Japan. And the ocean. |
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spacepostman
User ID: 1256831 United Kingdom 08/07/2013 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm sorry but I refuse to accept that (for the next 22,000 years at least!) that ANY food produced within proximity of the world's worst Nuclear Disaster (EVER) should be considered "safe" to eat. It is insane. Testing is pointless, from the OP's links it is clear only small samples are being taken, so what if only "2.2% of everything tested in Fukushima" were above safe limits? 100Bq/kg is too high as it is. Then you need to consider HOW MANY Kilos of food a person consumes in a whole year, in 5 years, in 10 years. ANY amount of radiation exposure is dangerous and cumulative intakes makes it even worse. I feel genuinely sorry for the fishermen and farmers of Fukushima and Japan - they are the victims of this avoidable disaster and their lives will NEVER be the same again. Food production in the region needs to be forgotten about if we really want to minimise the potentially massive humanitarian cost of the Fukushima disaster. Farmers and Fishermen need to be compensated - and TEPCO need to be sued by mass-class action to ensure the people who's live they've destroyed with their reckless short-sighted profit-fuelled incompetence get justice. Formerly Spacepostman... FUKUSHIMA - Biggest Man-Made Disaster EVER. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44775364 Japan 08/07/2013 11:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree with you that Tepco need to get (and will be) punished but i need to tell you that a Human is not living alone from Bread, he need something to do! The People there in F'Shima are mostly older Farmers above the Age of 60 and there is no danger for them anymore. I am very critical with Food for the Kids and here we need to find a Way how we manage this Disaster, we cant return in Time and spec. the second Article is showing Alternatives. By the Way there are more Plans for huge Greenhouses and i dislike them, for me Food is a Product of this Planet, our Sun and our Earth and not by Hydroponics. PS: Soon they thrill a new Hole and we may observe the Coria of Nr.2 for the first Time! (this is maybe the cover up reason for the whole Water story). PS2. there is no need to test every single Product, every single corn of Rice and every Tomato! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44736837 Canada 08/07/2013 11:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SO YOU'RE TELLING ME NEARLY 1% OF EVERYTHING I EAT IS RADIOACTIVE WASTE, AND NOT TO WORRY BECAUSE ITS NOT A BIG DEAL? Humans eat several pounds of food a day, 0.8% of that being radioactive waste is NOT a goddamn comfort. It should be ZERO How dare you, as a proven Tepco shill, post articles on North American food safety? Where do you even get the BALLS to present an opinion on this subject, you death advocate? And here you are. Well, good thing your ass is BANNED for shilling, and you can't delete the truth from your shill threads. Know what? Only about 1% of the contents of a restaurant dumpster are dangerous... why don't you go eat out of a dumpster if those numbers are acceptable to you? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44775364 Japan 08/07/2013 11:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SO YOU'RE TELLING ME NEARLY 1% OF EVERYTHING I EAT IS RADIOACTIVE WASTE, AND NOT TO WORRY BECAUSE ITS NOT A BIG DEAL? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44736837 Humans eat several pounds of food a day, 0.8% of that being radioactive waste is NOT a goddamn comfort. It should be ZERO How dare you, as a proven Tepco shill, post articles on North American food safety? Where do you even get the BALLS to present an opinion on this subject, you death advocate? And here you are. Well, good thing your ass is BANNED for shilling, and you can't delete the truth from your shill threads. Know what? Only about 1% of the contents of a restaurant dumpster are dangerous... why don't you go eat out of a dumpster if those numbers are acceptable to you? Hah, a Nazi-Dogmaturdtard! Why do you fear the knowledge and what have you done/ what do you do to stop nuclear Power Plants? The Uranium for the majority of all the Plants is from Canada or Australia, why do you still post here instead of standing in front of this Gate with a Canon close by? Because you are a Douchbag and not a upright Human! It is sooooo fucking easy to say: "a Shill" but to provide Alternatives is much, much more difficult, i do not said anything ever about the US Food because i don't have so much Sources, this Thread is about Fukushima only! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 44775364 Japan 08/07/2013 11:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm glad it is safe for you to eat. Eat it all and keep eating it. Feed it to all of your countrymen. Eat it and puke and eat some more. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44777107 I would be careful, your Country provide Food that is radiated by your Fertilizer (up to 1.200 Bq -Kg) to a unimaginable Amount of Radiation. One Kg of natural Fertilizer is coming with more than 5.000 Bq and this you use on your Vegetable Fields since Decades for the purpose of Profit- Maximization! Disgusting People, soooooo Greedy! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44775364 Japan 08/08/2013 01:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm glad it is safe for you to eat. Eat it all and keep eating it. Feed it to all of your countrymen. Eat it and puke and eat some more. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44777107 Summary of Feb. 2013 report: This was the second duplicate portion survey done by Fukushima Pref. 77 Fukushima residents participated from Sept-Nov 2012. The survey included households from 7 regions in Fukushima prefecture, with participants ranging in age from 0 to 70 years old. Each person saved an extra portion of all meals, including snacks and beverages, that he/she consumed for one day, and sent it to the testing center. Cesium was detected in 56 samples, or 73%. The breakdown is as follows: 21 samples ND (not detected) at a detection limit of 0.054-0.029 Bq/kg 53 detected, less than 1 Bq/kg 2 detected, between 1-2 Bq/Kg 1 detected, more than 2 Bq/kg. (This person's food showed 171 Bq/kg. This family habitually ate wild foods it gathered, such as mushrooms, as well as food it grew itself. ) [link to wwwcms.pref.fukushima.jp] |
Children of the Atom
User ID: 20257839 United States 08/08/2013 01:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nope, i just try to show the Reality, the Truth and not such Bs. as we read here in the last Days! Look for the Numbers (Bq. a Kg) open every Source and try to understand! Like a Reality-check or a control of Quality! Don't fear the Truth. The food bought in the stores are imported. The reason people are bringing in the home grown AKA grey market is because IT IS FROM JAPAN. Jesus the radiation must be rotting your brain. Last Edited by Children of the Atom on 08/08/2013 01:40 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44775364 Japan 08/08/2013 01:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nope, i just try to show the Reality, the Truth and not such Bs. as we read here in the last Days! Look for the Numbers (Bq. a Kg) open every Source and try to understand! Like a Reality-check or a control of Quality! Don't fear the Truth. The food bought in the stores are imported. The reason people are bringing in the home grown AKA grey market is because IT IS FROM JAPAN. Jesus the radiation must be rotting your brain. Your Name? C'mon, at least read the Articles when you try to add something! |
Waterbug
User ID: 34388912 United States 08/08/2013 02:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Except for the explosions, which scattered contamination, japan was lucky.. especially Tokyo.. The easterly off-shore winds and jet stream carried 80% of the plume contamination into the pacific ocean, and land areas to the east... still circling the globe, dumping contamination from the atmosphere in rain and snow. There is also mixing of uncontaminated foods with contaminated foods in japan.. to dilute the contamination.. by adding bulk until below official limits. The schoolkids must eat the local rice... they can't bring lunches to school. You did not mention any of this.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44777107 United States 08/08/2013 03:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm glad it is safe for you to eat. Eat it all and keep eating it. Feed it to all of your countrymen. Eat it and puke and eat some more. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44777107 I would be careful, your Country provide Food that is radiated by your Fertilizer (up to 1.200 Bq -Kg) to a unimaginable Amount of Radiation. One Kg of natural Fertilizer is coming with more than 5.000 Bq and this you use on your Vegetable Fields since Decades for the purpose of Profit- Maximization! Disgusting People, soooooo Greedy! Go fuck yourself you SHILL NIP BITCH. Now the game plan is to blame radioactive food on fertilizer. I hope you rot in hell for the money Tepco pays you to lie. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37864819 United States 08/08/2013 03:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: Water now at Fukushima plant has 3 times more cesium than Chernobyl’s total release — “That underscores the scale of this never-ending threat” Thread: Fukushima Unit No. 3 steaming — Lasted more than four hours today — Observed ‘intermittently’ over past 13 days Thread: fukushima update: Spill-over threat: Water leaks at Fukushima nuclear plant could contaminate entire Pacific Ocean!!! Thread: 400 tons of highly radioactive water going into Pacific each day from Fukushima plant, says Tepco — Top Nuclear Regulator: This is a crisis Thread: Contamination ‘soaring’ in Fukushima groundwater - Strontium and other beta emitters up 4,500% in recent days; Cesium rises nearly 1,500% Thread: Japan Today: Watchdog says radioactive water at Fukushima an emergency!? Into the Ocean she goes... Thread: ‘State of Emergency’ at Fukushima nuclear plant -Japan Official Thread: Kyodo: ‘Radiation crisis’ at Fukushima plant — Toxic water entering sea for years — “Tainting ocean and marine life” Thread: Extreme contamination found at Fukushima plant - Cesium over 2 BILLION Bq/liter; MILLIONS of times above limit Thread: Asahi: Grave situation as highly radioactive ‘mystery steam’ and water are released into ground, sea, and air from Fukushima plant |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44775364 Japan 08/08/2013 04:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Except for the explosions, which scattered contamination, japan was lucky.. especially Tokyo.. Quoting: Waterbug The easterly off-shore winds and jet stream carried 80% of the plume contamination into the pacific ocean, and land areas to the east... still circling the globe, dumping contamination from the atmosphere in rain and snow. There is also mixing of uncontaminated foods with contaminated foods in japan.. to dilute the contamination.. by adding bulk until below official limits. The schoolkids must eat the local rice... they can't bring lunches to school. You did not mention any of this.. Because it is not the Topic! By the Way the J-Kids are free to chose/ choose (?) their Food, no one is standing behind of the Parents with a loaded Gun. The mixing of Food happened only in the first Months after theTsunami and it happened only with " processed Food" and not with Vegetables and Fruits! The only right Argument from you is that a lot of the dirt gone to the East, America- we ale so soooollllllly (for the dirty Nip) |
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Waterbug
User ID: 34388912 United States 08/08/2013 04:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “Shocking”: Officials make it mandatory to use Fukushima rice in school lunches [link to enenews.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44775364 Japan 08/08/2013 04:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “Shocking”: Officials make it mandatory to use Fukushima rice in school lunches Quoting: Waterbug [link to enenews.com] When the Rice is uncontaminated why not? Now don't try to tell me that all Rice is contaminated because this is a lie as we can see when we read the first Article! On the other Side you and your Blubber Friends are so full of lies .... you are the master of Tepconese! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44775364 Japan 08/08/2013 05:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Be a good Samaritan and tell us the truth on what your inhuman race had done to our prisoner of war allied. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1609344 Your Soldiers was and still are Terrorist, Dumbass! No one invited them to Asia, to Pearl Harbor, to Indonesia, Myanmar and/ or the Philippines, the only reason your Country was there was and is Colonialism . Get out of Asia, you don't belong here! (Ironicmode, i am not Japanese either) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37864819 United States 08/08/2013 11:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Be a good Samaritan and tell us the truth on what your inhuman race had done to our prisoner of war allied. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1609344 Your Soldiers was and still are Terrorist, Dumbass! No one invited them to Asia, to Pearl Harbor, to Indonesia, Myanmar and/ or the Philippines, the only reason your Country was there was and is Colonialism . Get out of Asia, you don't belong here! (Ironicmode, i am not Japanese either) @ Atom-Boy |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15923622 Australia 08/08/2013 11:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Be a good Samaritan and tell us the truth on what your inhuman race had done to our prisoner of war allied. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1609344 Your Soldiers was and still are Terrorist, Dumbass! No one invited them to Asia, to Pearl Harbor, to Indonesia, Myanmar and/ or the Philippines, the only reason your Country was there was and is Colonialism . Get out of Asia, you don't belong here! (Ironicmode, i am not Japanese either) Unit 731. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15923622 Australia 08/08/2013 11:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Be a good Samaritan and tell us the truth on what your inhuman race had done to our prisoner of war allied. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1609344 Your Soldiers was and still are Terrorist, Dumbass! No one invited them to Asia, to Pearl Harbor, to Indonesia, Myanmar and/ or the Philippines, the only reason your Country was there was and is Colonialism . Get out of Asia, you don't belong here! (Ironicmode, i am not Japanese either) Did you know that the Japanese granted independence to Indonesia in 1944 but the Dutch came back after the Japanese were defeated and forced the country to stay a Dutch colony? And so Indonesia had to fight a war of liberation against the Dutch for four long years and it wasn't until 1949 that the Republic of Indonesia was created as a sovereign and independent nation. |
Waterbug
User ID: 34388912 United States 08/08/2013 11:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “Shocking”: Officials make it mandatory to use Fukushima rice in school lunches Quoting: Waterbug [link to enenews.com] When the Rice is uncontaminated why not? Now don't try to tell me that all Rice is contaminated because this is a lie as we can see when we read the first Article! On the other Side you and your Blubber Friends are so full of lies .... you are the master of Tepconese! 3 ongoing core meltdowns/3 explosions... no fallout/no contamination..? Good trick.. |
BRIEF
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 44775364 Japan 08/08/2013 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “Shocking”: Officials make it mandatory to use Fukushima rice in school lunches Quoting: Waterbug [link to enenews.com] When the Rice is uncontaminated why not? Now don't try to tell me that all Rice is contaminated because this is a lie as we can see when we read the first Article! On the other Side you and your Blubber Friends are so full of lies .... you are the master of Tepconese! 3 ongoing core meltdowns/3 explosions... no fallout/no contamination..? Good trick.. I think you need to think and to read it, at least, one more Time: There is a lot of Contamination and it is not tolerable but not everywhere- until now we have unimaginable Luck and help from a higher Force! In Theory you can have a Melt-Down without even the slightest Contamination of the surrounding Area but Daiichi was not such a Plant, the Explosions you, we and i saw was caused by Hydrogen which is not a source of Radioactivity! I told you already countless Times that your Idea and Imagination about this Accident is, maybe, wrong! I served the real Numbers, incl. countless official and inofficial Sources and it is up to you to believe it or not but stop to tell us that your Imagination is the Reality, because it is not! Numbers are Reality and your thoughts are just thoughts but nothing else! |
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