Rapture means judgement of the church FIRST!!

If you followed Jesus, why are you here?

If there is a pretribulation rapture, and that is a big IF, mostly just speculation by the way - anyhow IF there is one, the Church does NOT go to judgment.

The Church goes to the Marriage Feast of the Lamb. That is clear from Scripture, from Jesus' words and from Revelation, Song of Solomon (why do you think it's in the Bible????)

The Church doesn't get judged, it gets SANCTIFIED.

hmmm... probably very few if any, of Todays Churches...

"Thou shalt not build houses hewn of stone to worship or idolize me" -saw this with my own eyes from a Bible my Aunt had-it was listed as the 11th Commandment-conveniently done away with it seems, so that a corrupt powerbase could be formed.

The Rapture is truly the Resurrection.

Pretrib says saints get resurrected first.

Posttrib would say it is simultaneous with the 'dead in Christ'.

Sorry, 88406, the Bible doesn't say that.

However, you can look if you want:

www.biblegateway.com

search using the words you think are there. I can tell you ahead of time, though, they are not.

There is NO such thing as 'rapture' in the Bible.

It's a STUPID concept thought up abut 1850.

CRAPture you mean Kay..

Off you go then, there's a portal waiting just there for you with your name on it.

Close the door on your way out.

Bye

Are The Resurrection/Rapture church saints Under Law, or Grace?

( part one)

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( part two)

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The Rapture is truly the Resurrection.


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AMEN

Horse shit.

After these things Rev. 4:1 (after the church age is over) Then What?


"The Bema Seat of Christ" (Rev. 4:10)


The "Bimah seat of Christ" is for the purpose of what? It is for the purpose of "Examining" the Christians "works" in order to see if a reward can be given. What method does God use in order to examine the believers works? Scripture says that at the time of the "Bimah" God will put the Christians "works" on the altar in heaven and test it with "FIRE" (1Cor. 3:11-15). The fire of God will be "the first and final test" of the believers works in order to "separate" the deeds which were done by the believer in the power of the Holy Spirit, from the deeds which were done in the power of the believers flesh" (Gal. 5:16-23).


The examination of the Christians life before the "Bimah seat of Christ" will reveal how "faithful", or how "unfaithful" the Christians walk was "in Christ." The "abundance" of rewards given, or the "lack" of rewards given will reveal openly before God, and to everyone present how faithful, or how unfaithful the Christian was in their service to Christ during their life on earth.


Listen carefully! God is the "only One" who can examine a Christian properly, honestly, and without discrimination. He alone is the only One who can judge our motives and actions, since He is the only One who can "look upon the heart of man." No one can participate in the "Bimah seat of Christ" unless they are a believer. Why? because the "Bimah" takes place immediately following the resurrection event and not prior to it, which means that "NO ONE" can participate in the resurrection based on their good works. Secondly, the "Bimah" takes place in heaven and NOT on the earth. Therefore you have to be saved in order to partake in the Bema seat of Christ, since it is the next event following the resurrection.


It is impossible for any believer in Christ to miss the resurrection program of God. If only part of the church was resurrected, then those who were left behind could never be examined by the Lord, since they missed the Bimah seat of Christ. The "only people" who will be left behind at the time of the resurrection will be those who have NOT trusted in Christ, which means then that they do not poessess Christ who would have "Sealed them with the Holy Spirit" at the time they believed (Eph. 1:13, 4:30), but they failed to do so!


There is only "One" Bimah seat of Christ mentioned in scripture for the church (1Cor. 3:11-15; 2Cor. 5:10). This event takes place in heaven "one time" for ALL the church saints (from Pentecost to the close of the church age). The "Bimah" is never taught in scripture by the apostle Paul as ever being "repeated" again for the church. Therefore it cannot take place until "ALL" of the "church" is present. This means that the church age MUST END, and all the saints in Christ must be resurrected at ONE TIME, whether dead or alive, faithful or unfaithful. Not one can be left behind, since the judgment seat of Christ is the next event. Listen to what the apostle Paul has to say!

1Cor. 5:10 "For WE (collectively) must ALL (the whole body of Christ) appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that "each one"
(every individual believer in Christ) may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad."


Who is Paul the apostle speaking to and addressing in this text above? That's right! "the church." Paul is not just teaching the church saints at Corinth, but his letter to the Corinthians is also his instruction and teaching to the "Whole body of Christ. How do we know this? We know this by the fact that Paul says this himself in 1Cor. 1:2 "To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who "have been" (past perfect tense) sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place (the whole body of Christ) call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours."


Question: Is there any further evidence in 1Cor. 5:10 that reveals that the "Judgment seat of Christ" is an event which includes the "whole body of Christ", and not only part of the body of Christ?

Answer: Yes! Paul says "For we must all appear before the "judgment seat of Christ......." Now look at this sentence! I want you to notice something very important and profound in this text that many have missed! Notice that the phrase "judgment seat of Christ" is in the "singular form" and NOT in the "plural form." What does this mean? It means this my friend! That the "Judgment seat of Christ" is only going to take place ONE TIME! and ONE TIME ONLY for the church. And the ONLY time that this event can possibly take place for the church saints in Christ, whether dead, or alive is at the time of His appearing, which is the the close of the church age/resurrection (1Thess. 4:13-18).


If Paul was teaching that the body of Christ was to experience "multiples" of the "judgment seat of Christ", then he would have written to the church the following: "For we must all appear before the "judgment SEATS (Plural) of Christ. Now Paul was writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. If God had "judgment SEATS" (plural) in mind for the church, which would mean "more than one judgment seat", then the Holy Spirit would have inspired the apostle Paul to write this text in the "plural form" in stead of the "singular form." Paul didn't make a mistake here, nor did the Holy Spirit make a mistake who was directing Paul's teaching in his epistles which he wrote to the Church.

Secondly, Paul the apostle would have never used the terms "WE" in the "collective form", nor the term "ALL" in the "completed form" in reference to the body Christ if he was teaching that there would be "multiples" of the Bimah seat of Christ. Why? Because Paul used the term "Seat" in the singular form. The following is how Paul the apostle should have phrased this sentence if he had "Multiples" of the judgment seat of Christ in mind. "For "SOME OF US" must appear before the judgment SEATS of Christ....etc." Therefore just language itself "Contradicts" the teaching that some will miss the resurrection!


Question: How in the world can the "Bimah seat of Christ" take place for the church if their are members of the body of Christ missing due to having been denied their glorified bodies due to sin, which Christ was suppose to have already payed for in full at the cross? According to the "partial Rapture" people these saints will be left behind in order to be purged and purified for their sinful deeds during the tribulation period?

Answer It is impossible for any church saint to be left behind! Scripture has already made absolutely clear here that the "whole body of Christ" must all be present at the judgment seat of Christ to be examined by God for the deeds which were done in the body (2Cor. 5:10). But these people who teach you can "lose your salvation" and "miss the resurrection/Rapture" just won't accept the scriptures which are overwhelmingly clear! The whole problem with these people is this!


1. They have become their own "examiner and judge!" of their own deeds "apart" from Christ who is to examine them Himself at the "Bimah seat of Christ", and who is the only righteous judge" (2Tim 4:8).

2. They have become their own "Justifier" of their own lives by becoming "Judaizers" in their thinking (Gal. 2:16-21) by trying to put the church back "under the Law" in order to earn or merit their glorified body, and thus entry into heaven, which is only by "grace through faith in Christ alone" (Eph. 2:8-10; Titus 3:4-7).

3. Finally! They have become their Own Bimah seat of........."put your name here".........) because they alone are determining whether or not their deeds are "good enough" to get them a glorified body." By doing this they have "trampled" all over the righteousness of God through Christ (Rom. 3:22, 8:10; 2Cor. 5:21) which they supposedly are suppose to possess. And they have disregarded as "insufficient" God's righteousness which every believer possesses through Christ!

1 Peter 2:24 "And He Himself bore "OUR SINS" in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness..........etc."


You can see here how the "partial Rapture theory" is totally destroyed by the teaching of the "Bimah seat of Christ" alone by the apostle Paul. This means that the Church CANNOT be partially resurrected at the time of Christ's appearing, and then the other part of church go into the tribulation period. What I have just shown here is just another important clue which shows that there will NOT be one church saint in Christ left behind at the time of the resurrection. Paul used "We, all, eachone, " along with the "singular form" of "Seat", and NOT the plural form "Seats." It is totally impossible scripturally, and theologically for any church saint to be left behind. The "Bimah seat of Christ" is a one time event, which is seen in Revelation 4:10 as having already taken place.


Rev. 4:10 says: "The twenty-four elders will fall down before Him who sits on the throne, and will worship Him who lives forever and ever, and will cast their crowns before the throne......etc." As you can see in this text. The Bimah seat of Christ has already taken place, which is seen by the fact that the church saints are "Casting their crowns" before the feet of Jesus." This term "Crowns" here in Revelation 4:10 is the Greek word "Stephanos" which means "Victor's Crowns." These are the crowns that the church saints won during the church age, and which were given at the time of the "Judgment seat of Christ."

I want to share with you some things from the book "Things To Come" by Dr. Dwight Pentecost. He has a whole section on this topic of the "Twenty-four elders." I will share just a little with you below.

(quote page 255 / 256). "The number "Twenty-four", which represents the entire priesthood (1Chron. 24:1-4, 19), as it was divided for purposes of representation by David, suggests that this the church. While Israel was called to a priestly function (Ex. 19:6), that nation never entered into this chief function because of their sin.

To the tribulation saints the promise is given in that they shall minister as priests in the millennium (Rev. 20:6). However, at the beginning of the tribulation period Israel "has not" been restored to the place of a priestly nation, for they must await the millennial age for the realization of that privilege.

The tribulation saints, likewise, must wait until the millennial age for their realization of it. The church is the "only" body definitely constituted a priesthood that could fulfill the function of priests ministering under the High Priest (1Peter 2:5, 9).

(quote page 256 / 257). "The "Crowns" suggest that they represent the church. These Twenty-four are "not" wearing monarch's crowns (diadema ), but "Victor's crowns" (Greek - Stephanos), which had been won in a conflict (Eph. 6:10-17; 1Tim. 1:18, 6:12; 2Tim. 4:7 scripture my emphasis). They therefore have been both resurrected, for a "spirit" would not be wearing a crown, and then judged, for "they could not receive a crown as a reward" apart from judgment. Further, the judgment must have only recently taken place, for they are seen in the "act" of casting their crowns at Christ's feet (Rev. 4:10). (End quote).


Continuing:


Therefore "not one believer" in Christ can be left behind at the time of the resurrection (1Thess. 4:14-18). Otherwise the body of Christ would be "dismembered and incomplete", which would defeat God's purpose for sending Christ in the first place at the time of the resurrection event! There is no other prophetic time slot in-which the "Bimah seat of Christ" can take place, except at the "close" of the Church age!


Christ's "message to the seven churches" comes to a conclusion in Revelation 3:22. Then the opening of Revelation chapter 4:1 it says;" After these things."

Question: After what things? What is being shown here is the "close of the church age" by the simple fact that there is no more letters to the churches. John the apostle says "After these things I looked", and behold, a door standing open in heaven, and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, "Come up here", and I will show you what must take place After these things."

This phrase "After these things" is repeated twice in Rev. 4:1. This is important because it shows the "unfolding" of events in chronological order. The apostle John goes on to describe what he sees. In Rev. 4:4 he sees "24 thrones; and upon the thrones he saw 24 elders. In Rev. 4:10 John sees the 24 elders falling down before Christ worshiping Him, and casting their crowns (Stephanos "Victor's crown) before the throne.

Paul the apostle teaches in the New Testament epistles that the church saints will have opportunities to win crowns while serving Christ during their life on earth. We will not be discussing these crowns since this is not the thrust of this article. The only important thing here to see is that the church saints are already in heaven in Rev. 4:1, and they are casting their "crowns"
(Greek -Stephanos / Victor's crown / Rewards) at the feet of Jesus who is sitting on the throne.


The Conclusion


We have seen throughout this study over and over again that the Raputure is the resurrection, and the resurrection is the Rapture. They are "one and the same event." We have seen from scripture that there is only one group "spiritually identified" in 1Thess. 4;13-18 who will be participating in this resurrection event. This group is called "The Body of Christ." There is just "One" body of Christ and it is the Holy Spirit's job at the moment of every believers conversion Christ to "Seal the believer" (Eph. 1:13, 4:30), and baptize the believer with the Holy Spirit who places them "into" the body of Christ "For by one Spirit we were ALL baptized into one body" (1Cor. 12:13).


No one can be called a "carnal Christian" unless they are "a Christian." Likewise the same can be said of the "faithful Christian." Yes Christians can walk in the flesh (Gal. 5:16-23) and can live carnal lives, but they will suffer the loss of rewards at the "Bimah seat of Christ ( 2Cor. 5:8-10). The only rewards a believer will lose will be the ones they "could have won" while they were busy walking in the power of the flesh! This goes for the "faithful believer" as well as the "unfaithful believer."


The Carnal Christian will obviously have less rewards due to the lack of faithfulness to the Lord. There is no question about that! But the lack of their faithfulness doesn't "exempt" nor "invalidate" what little amount of rewards they might have won. Listen people! God doesn't take any rewards away from any of us, "WE DO!" All God does is places the believers works on the altar and tests it "with fire" in order to see if a reward can be given. Do you know what this means? What this means folks is this! That it is solely up to every individual believer to decide how they want to live! Waste your precious time here on earth by walking in the flesh as a Christian! And watch the majority of your Christian life go up in smoke at the Bimah seat of Christ. Use your time wisely for faithful service to the Lord. Then you will have many rewards. The choice is up to each one of us!


Therefore those works of the flesh will be burned up at the Bimah seat of Christ "but he himself shall be saved, yet so as through fire (1Cor. 3:11-15). The only reason why any believer could stand in the presence of God at the time of the "judgment seat of Christ" is because they were found "righteous" by the righteousness of God through Christ. The apostle Paul says "We all" must appear before the Bimah seat of Christ" (2Cor. 5:10). Every Christian has deeds that were done in the power of their flesh which will not stand the test of "fire", whether they were carnal in their walk, or whether they were faithful in their walk with Christ.

Every believer has the power of the Holy Spirit to walk in obedience to Christ each moment of every day. But the truth of the fact is this. That there is no Christian, at no time whatsoever during the church age, who has walked 100% of the time in their Christian life by the power of the Holy Spirit. All of us have deeds which we have done in the power of the flesh, which will be burned up at the judment seat of Christ. The question however for each one of us "in Christ", whether carnal or faithful is this! "How many rewards will each one of us have to cast at the feet of Jesus (Rev. 4:10) after the "Bimah seat of Christ" is finished!

Pretty sobering isn't it!


Closing this study

I don't need to share alot here at this point because I think that the scriptures have made it emphatically clear that each and every believer in Christ is NOT under Law, but under GRACE! Listens folks! God has given us "His vey best." Jesus is "all you need" in order to qualify for the resurrection. Whether the believer is already dead in Christ, or whether they are alive at the time of His appearing. There is only going to be "ONE BIMAH SEAT OF CHRIST." And if you are "in Christ" by believing the gospel of Jesus Christ unto salvation (Eph. 2:8-10). Then you are "Sealed with the Holy Spirit" for the day of Redemption," (Eph. 1:13, 4:30).


"For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart." (Heb. 4:12)

Trust the word of God "ONCE AND FOR ALL", which has been presented in this article. And let Jesus set you free from all your guilt of sin and self condemnation. "For in Him (Jesus Christ) you have been made complete......etc." (Colossians 2:9)
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Whats scary is what will happen when these people realize it's all BS.

Crusades anyone?

the "great falling away" will happen when poeple realize there is no pre-trib rapture.