The Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ.

"harpazo"

There is no scriptural support for a 7 year Tribulation. You are parroting other people who are also making it up.

The second coming = the rapture

it is one event so stop being a weak coward and prepare to die for your faith

You put the name "Christ" in front of your fake "rapture". Shows us what is more important to you. In fact you can't even say the name of "Jesus" and call him "Christ".

Reminds me of when you say "Judeo-Christian". You put Christian at the end and Judeo in the front. Judeo which is the religion that hates Jesus. disgusting.


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PS:

Noah and his family
Lot and his family
the Israelites from the ten plagues
Rahab and her family
Moses and his followers

ZERO of these people were raptured.

no doubt this person also supports Rothschild Israel

I don't pretend to know.

Matthew 10:34 Think not that I (Jesus) am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (35) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.(36) And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.”

Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I (Jesus) am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: (52) For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. (53) The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me (Jesus), and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Last Edited by Lamplite on 07/06/2013 01:51 AM

I'm pretty sure that, by the age of 33, Jesus came a lot more than just once during his lifetime.

You dont even believe Jesus existed, right?

Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

That's right it is a story.

But I like to role play continue ...

1 Thess 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

When do you believe the 144000 will be made known?

1 Cor 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

You dont believe Jesus existed, yet you quote scripture...Thanks for admitting you are just playing games.

Go ahead and ignore the thousands of manuscripts that verify Jesus' existence.

Pre-trib doubters, please comment on this:

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

--seventh trump

1 Cor 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

--last trump


I am not saying these trumps are the same, but there is your scriptural support for the pre-trib rapture, nonetheless.

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'Homer's Iliad, the bible of the ancient Greeks, composed in 800 BC has an impressive 650 ancient Greek copies available -- the earliest is from the second and third centuries AD - 1000 years after the original was written.

So how does the New Testament compare with these universally accepted historical documents?

We have over 22,000 early copies of ancient New Testament manuscripts! Some papyri manuscripts date to the first century, within a few decades of when the original was written. There are over 5,600 ancient Greek manuscripts. Over 9,000 Latin Vulgate manuscripts. And over 8,000 ancient manuscripts in Ethiopic, Slavic and Armenian. The earliest copies date so close to when the originals were written that the time difference is essentially non-existent.

We have papyri copies containing portions of the Gospels, the book of Acts, Paul's letters and the book of Hebrews made in the first, second and third centuries. The Chester Beatty Biblical Papyri date to about the year 200. The M. Martin Bodmer Papyri also date to about the year 200. The Saint John's Library Papyri -- containing a portion of the book of John -- was made in Egypt and dates to between the years 98 and 130 AD (The book of John was written in approximately 90 AD).'

Liar there are not thousands of manuscripts

and if you read my threads, you will see I always put forward evidence that Jesus ever existed.

It's not a secret that I think this.


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Why should anyone read your threads, when you admit you are just playing games and being hypocritical? Why should we take you seriously?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
List of New Testament papyri

A simple wiki would do you wonders.

Listen, I know it really pisses Christians off that people who don't believe in Jesus have read and studied the bible but that is your problem, not mine.

Maybe if you read the bible more closely you would see it's faults too.
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Here evidence Jesus never existed.


The Josephus fraud.

The church quotes a (fraudulent) passage from Flavius Josephus (c37-100 AD) a highly respected and much-quoted Romano-Jewish historian. A native of Judea, living in the 1st century AD, Josephus was actually governor of Galilee for a time (prior to the war of 70 AD) – the very province in which Jesus allegedly did his wonders. He was born in 37 AD and so he was not therefore a contemporary witness to Jesus. Josephus's two major tomes are History of The Jewish War and The Antiquities of the Jews. In these complementary works, the former written in the 70s, the latter in the 90s AD, Josephus mentions every noted personage of Palestine and describes every important event which occurred there during the first seventy years of the Christian era but there is only one paragraph (the so-called Testimonium Flavianum) which meantions Jesus.Josephus confirms every salient aspect of the Christ story in one short paragraph.

1) Jesus's existence (2) his 'more than human' status (3) his miracle working 4. his teaching 5. his ministry among the Jews and the Gentiles 6. his Messiahship 7. his condemnation by the Jewish priests 8. his sentence by Pilate 9. his death on the cross 10. the devotion of his followers 11. his resurrection on the 3rd day 12. his post-death appearance 13. his fulfillment of divine prophecy 14. the successful continuance of the Christians.

The purported "evidence" of his existence to be found in the writings of Flavius Josephus, the famed Jewish general and historian who lived from about 37 to 100 CE. In Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews appears the notorious passage regarding Christ called the "Testimonium Flavianum" ("TF"):

"Now, there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works,--a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day." (Whitson, 379)

In just 127 words Josephus confirms everything ... however not a single writer before the 4th century – not Justin, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Cyprian, Arnobius, etc. – in all their defences against pagan hostility, makes a single reference to Josephus’ wondrous words.

These words are an obvious fraud. There is no way that Josephus, who remained an orthodox Jew all his life and who defended Judaism vociferously against Greek critics, would have thought that the execution of a messianic claimant was "another terrible misfortune" for the Jews. These words were onviously written by a Christian writer, not Josephus.

The third century Church 'Father' Origen, for example, spent half his life and a quarter of a million words contending against the pagan writer Celsus. Origen drew on all sorts of proofs and witnesses to his arguments in his fierce defence of Christianity. He quotes from Josephus extensively. Yet even he makes no reference to this 'golden paragraph' from Josephus, which would have been the ultimate rebuttal. In fact, Origen actually said that Josephus was "not believing in Jesus as the Christ."

Origen did not quote the 'golden paragraph' because this paragraph had not yet been written and is a blant fraud. Christianity did not establish itself until the 2nd century. Outside of this single bogus paragraph, in all the extensive histories of Josephus there is not a single reference to Christianity anywhere.

The golden Josephus paragraph did not appear until the beginning of the fourth century, at the time of Constantine. Bishop Eusebius, that great Church propagandist and self-confessed liar-for-god, was the first person known to have quoted this paragraph of Josephus, about the year 340 AD. Despite the best wishes of sincere believers and the erroneous claims of truculent apologists, the Testimonium Flavianum has been demonstrated continually over the centuries to be a forgery, likely interpolated by Catholic Church historian Eusebius, the very first person to mention it in the fourth century. Dr. Gordon Stein relates "...the vast majority of scholars since the early 1800s have said that this quotation is not by Josephus, but rather is a later Christian insertion in his works. In other words, it is a forgery, rejected by scholars."

Marshall Gauvin remarks: "Everything demonstrates the spurious character of the passage. It is written in the style of Eusebius, and not in the style of Josephus. Josephus was a voluminous writer. He wrote extensively about men of minor importance. The brevity of this reference to Christ is, therefore, a strong argument for its falsity. This passage interrupts the narrative. It has nothing to do with what precedes or what follows it; and its position clearly shows that the text of the historian has been separated by a later hand to give it room."

"The following, from Dr. Farrar's pen, is to be found in the Encyclopedia Britannica: 'That Josephus wrote the whole passage as it now stands no sane critic can believe.'"

Christian scholars such as Theodor Keim, Rev. Dr. Hooykaas and Dr. Alexander Campbell held a similar opinon. By the time of Dr. Chalmers and others, the TF had been so discredited that these authorities understood it as a forgery and did not even consider it for a moment as "evidence" of Jesus's existence and/or divinity. In fact, these subsequent defenders of the faith, knowing the TF to be a forgery, repeatedly commented on how disturbing it was that Josephus did not mention Jesus.

Whole libraries of antiquity were torched by the Christians. Yet unlike the works of his Jewish contemporaries, the histories of Josephus survived. They survived because the Christian censors had a use for them. They planted evidence on Josephus, turning the leading Jewish historian of his day into a witness for Jesus.

Justus of Tiberias

Justus was also an historian, a rival to Josephus, and from the same region. Perhaps his work was not as easily doctored?

" I have read the chronology of Justus of Tiberias ... he makes not one mention of Jesus, of what happened to him, or of the wonderful works that he did."

– Photius, Patriarch of Constantinople, 9th Century


Pliny the Younger (61-115 AD)

Around 112 AD, in correspondence between Emperor Trajan and the provincial governor of Pontus/Bithynia, Pliny the Younger, reference is made to Christians for the first time. Pliny famously reports to his emperor:

"Christians ... asserted, however, that the sum and substance of their fault or error had been that they were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god, and to bind themselves by oath, not to some crime, but not to commit fraud, theft, or adultery, not falsify their trust, nor to refuse to return a trust when called upon to do so." – Pliny to Trajan, Letters 10.96-97.

Note that Pliny is relaying what those arrested said they believed but there is no reference to 'Jesus.' He continues:

"Accordingly, I judged it all the more necessary to find out what the truth was by torturing two female slaves who were called deaconesses. But I discovered nothing else but depraved, excessive superstition."

Belief in a celestial Christ does not equate to belief in a flesh-and-blood 'Jesus of Nazareth' – and when the 'heretical' and 'gnostic' views of early Christians are examined 'Jesus of Nazareth' is noticeably absent. In fact Nazareth never existed in the 1st century AD. No ancient historian or geographer mentions Nazareth. It is first noted at the beginning of the 4th century.

There are a few other later later dubious accounts but none of them speak of a Jesus who was nailed to a Cross. This is odd considered this man was meant to be of such great fame wondering around preforming miracles and when you consider there is a mountian of evidence for the real Julius Caesar who lived before Jesus, odd indeed.


The Gospels

All four canonical gospels were originally written in Greek, the lingua franca (bridge language) of the Roman Orient where-as Jesus and his disciples primarily spoke Aramaic, the common language of Palestine in the first century AD, Many of the places spoken of in the gospels are incorrect and the gospels are written in third person making it obvious that theys were written by authors further afeild. Furthermore the gospels make statements such as "In the days of John the Baptist," which indicates that the writer was looking way back in time. In another example regarding Jesus's body being stolen, Matthew's gospel claims that "this story has been spread among the Jews to this day." The phrase "to this day" indicates that the writer is talking about a significant length of time ago.

The four canonical gospels were not mentioned or named as such by anyone until the time of Church father Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons (c. 120/140-c. 200/203 ad/ce). In Against All Heresies (III, 11.8), written around 180 ad/ce, Irenaeus is the first to name the canonical gospels and give reasons for their inclusion and number in the New Testament… The remarks by Irenaeus represent the first mention of all four canonical gospels together. In fact, prior to the end of the second century, there is no evidence of the existence of the canonical gospels as we have them.

Much of the information in the gospels is not plasible.

There are two differ accounts of the birth of Jesus. The canonical gospels of Luke and Matthew describe Jesus being born in Bethlehem, in Judea, to a virgin mother.

Luke features the Christmas story, in which Joseph and Mary, as part of a census, travel to Bethlehem, where Jesus is born and laid in a manger. Angels proclaim him a savior for all people, and shepherds come to adore him. However, in Matthew, wise men follow a star to Bethlehem to bring gifts to Jesus, born the King of the Jews and the family flees to Egypt because King Herod seeks to kill Jesus and massacres all toddler boys in Bethlehem in the hope of killing Jesus. However this happens when King Herold was already dead and had been for three years. (73/74 BCE – 4 BCE) and obviously scholars can find no historical evidence for the "Slaughter of the Innocents" by King Herod, even though any such action would surely have been recorded by his many enemies among the Jews. Some scholars see parallels between the infancy account in Matthew's Gospel and the Old Testament, with Joseph going to Egypt, just as Joseph had before him, and Herod killing the infant boys, just as the pharaoh had before him. They say that the author was inspired by the Old Testament story of Moses.

Matthew, Mark and Luke all speak of King Herod. There is no way three deciples who lived in the time of Jesus would make such a mistake as to speak of a King as alive when he had been dead since before the birth of Jesus. This implies the writers did not know Jesus and they did not live in the time period covered by the live of Jesus but rather wrote their gospels much later from a distance.

The Jewish historian Josephus recorded that in the year 6–7, after the exile of Herod Archelaus (one of the sons and successors of Herod the Great), Quirinius (in Greek, Κυρήνιος, sometimes transliterated Cyrenius), a Roman senator, became governor (Legatus) of Syria, while an equestrian assistant named Coponius was assigned as the first governor (Prefect) of the newly-created Iudaea Province. These governors were assigned to conduct a tax census for the Emperor in Syria and Iudaea.

Matthew 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, [2] Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. [3] When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. [4] And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. [5] And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, [6] And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel. [7] Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, inquired of them diligently what time the star appeared. [8] And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also. [9] When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. [10] When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy. [11] And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. [12] And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way. [13] And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. [14] When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt: [15] And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son. [16] Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men. [17] Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, [18] In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not. [19] But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, [20] Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life.

Then we get a completely different version of the story with no slaying of the innocents in Luke. LIES MUCH

Luke 2:1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed. [2] (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.) [3] And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city. [4] And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:) [5] To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. [6] And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. [7] And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. [8] And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. [9] And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. [10] And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. [11] For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. [12] And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. [13] And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, [14] Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. [15] And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us. [16] And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger. [17] And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child. [18] And all they that heard it wondered at those things which were told them by the shepherds. [19] But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart. [20] And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them. [21] And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. [22] And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;

In Matthew Jesus is born of the Holy Ghost but in Luke the Holy Ghost decsends on him when he's baptised.

Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.doubted

Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. [17] And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some. [18] And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. [19] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Barabbas a rebel was freed by Pontius Pilate at the Passover feast in Jerusalem in exchange for Jesus. However, no custom of releasing prisoners in Jerusalem is recorded in any historical document other than the gospels. Not to meantion the whole notion of the people welcoming Jesus with huge cheers of Jerusalem only five days prior to them yelling for him to be cruified, it defies all logic. Similarly a God who decides to bless humans with heaven for killing his one and only son makes no sense what-so-ever..

Constantine called the Council of Nicea — the first general council of the Christian church, 325 A.D.—primarily because he feared that disputes within the church would cause disorder within the empire. The dispute in mind was Arianism, which was the belief that Jesus was a created being. The famous phrase they were disputing was, "There was when, He was not." [link to www.gotquestions.org]

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Last Edited by Lamplite on 07/06/2013 03:22 AM

Josephus obviously had a pro-Jewish bias. You quote his mention of Jesus as some proof that Jesus did NOT exist? That makes no sense.

The fact that some other historians didnt mention another historian (in your two biased sources) is irrelevant, especially when he was Jewish and didnt believe in Jesus' deity in the first place. However, he confirmed his EXISTENCE, which is all we need from him anyways. Same with the Talmud.

All religions with the exception of a very FEW of them have these traits in common.

1) Ther are ALL convinced THEY are right and all the others are wrong.

2)They are all certain..and voice this much and as often as they can..that the ones who are "Wrong" will be tortured forever by whatever brand of bi polar sadistic god they worship.

3)They all use fear and terror to control their members
EG:-"Do as this law/teaching/guru/pastor/book/priest/sermon ect suggests or you will be cursed/burned alive forever/smitten/come under demonic attack/end up possessed/ ect.

4)They are all about CONTROL..control of your money..of your mind..of your actions/words/life/emotions and they all impose guilt and fear as "punishment" if you dont tow the line.

5)They are all about money..it always comes down to CASH..and if you dont hand it over they label you a "God robber"..you are robbing God..and thus come under the punishments/threats made in point 3.

6)They all use "LOVE" as the bait to get you in..mixed with "Fear" of some sort of terrible DOOM if you dont join them. Then once they have you the LOVE stops..and the DOOM incraeses..till you are left a mindless fear controlled zombie..arrogant and proud and self righteous..who then being fully "Indoctrinated" after a time...then beleives point 1 completely..and proceed to inflict steps 2 to 5 on other prospective victims.


Any religion or creed thast uses these techniques are opertaing under the precepts of what you would term "Darkness"..or "Evil" because evil, by its very nature, runs and feeds and grows stronger on fear and control.

The PTB use these same techniques.

Fear of terroists..the feeling of being "Special" and of the "Elite" if you tow the line..protected by their umbrella of "Control" of almost every aspect of your lves.

Thats because the PTB as you all know by now are all "Luciferian" in nature and practice...and use fear..control..cashflow(So long as its flowing THIER way)..and terrible consequesnces if you dont "Measure up" to their parameters.

So..if the PTB use these same techniques...and you all foster a rather healthy dislike for the way they "Control" things..then why do so many who voice such an opinion of them..end up following the SAME system under the guise of "Religion" which as you can clearly see are all based and run on the percepts of "Evil"?

Of course it makes no sense, the church inserted the magic paragraph, it's forgery.

For nearly two hundred years now it has been dismissed as a forgery even by the church but now times are desperate for the church so they are trying to use what is an obvious fraud, as proof of Jesus.

Last Edited by Lamplite on 07/06/2013 03:02 AM

That proves nothing except for the fact that you did not understand what you posted.

PROVE that those time frames do not over lap in whole or in part.

You cannot.

All RELIGION was created by Satan.

Because you LOVE SIN you will forever be looking for a way to justify YOUR SIN and deny Jesus Christ. And Satan gave you everything that you need to do just that and it works very well for those who desire s superficial excuse and do not care to look deeper or to humble themselves and go to God for the answer.

Diee in your sin if that is what you want. Satan will receive you.

You are a stupid and shallow fool.

No serious scholar even tries to deny that Jesus existed any more.

You are unworthy of serious debate.

I read something about this a few months back I looked and can't find a link anywhere of coarse now that I need it lol. Anyway what the article was about was Jewish DNA and a project to identify the descendants of the 12 tribes. This testing is supposidly ongoing at the time of the article with the purpose of bringing these people home within the walls of jerusalem.

It made it very clear that there were active measures being taken to call her children home.

Thank you SO much for proving the entire point of that post.

BTW.

Where in that post was Jesus actually denied?

All it pointed out was the luciferian fear tactics religion uses IN his name.

It said nothing BAD about jesus Himself..NOR did it debate one way or the other anything about Him.

In reacting as you have you merley pointed out to one and all the all too natural reaction when the supposed "Servants of the light" are exposed for the sham they are.