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(OP) User ID: 13461811 United Kingdom 07/19/2013 04:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am so sorry OP. I hope your grief lessens quickly. I have lost many loved ones and friends and family members, but a daughter, I cannot imagine. Quoting: Patrick Bateman My heart goes out to you and yours. Thank you so much energy cannot be destroyed, it can only be transformed. Nothing is so potent as the silent influence of a good example. Illegitimi non carborundum Alea iacta est. Dum vivimus vivamus |
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(OP) User ID: 13461811 United Kingdom 07/19/2013 04:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Elemental..hope you are doing better today..every day that passes is one step away from the darkness of pain and towards the light of acceptance and understanding and a new beginning Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43502063 Yes, I am thank you, and thanks to all you lovely people here Hope that you're well & happy :)) energy cannot be destroyed, it can only be transformed. Nothing is so potent as the silent influence of a good example. Illegitimi non carborundum Alea iacta est. Dum vivimus vivamus |
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(OP) User ID: 13461811 United Kingdom 07/19/2013 04:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Huge thanks to Wildhoney, a beautiful soul who I'm privileged to know xx If just one person thinks twice, everything will be worth it. And if I can get through this, so can you Hi Geo :)) Last Edited by Elemental on 07/19/2013 04:55 AM energy cannot be destroyed, it can only be transformed. Nothing is so potent as the silent influence of a good example. Illegitimi non carborundum Alea iacta est. Dum vivimus vivamus |
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(OP) User ID: 13461811 United Kingdom 07/19/2013 04:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That life is too much to take...too painful or lonely. energy cannot be destroyed, it can only be transformed. Nothing is so potent as the silent influence of a good example. Illegitimi non carborundum Alea iacta est. Dum vivimus vivamus |
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(OP) User ID: 13461811 United Kingdom 07/19/2013 05:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Religious tard apart hear reality Quoting: Korats01 let's put it im a poem, I invent. You are a self Self, being in a body. Able to do, able to act. Action and all make one. AS one, in body and soul you work and thrive if not you suffer and linger in pain. As self you thrive and experience. As self you linger. Able to be, you are. As self you share. Of self you share. and of self you thrive. a poem Beautiful, thank you x energy cannot be destroyed, it can only be transformed. Nothing is so potent as the silent influence of a good example. Illegitimi non carborundum Alea iacta est. Dum vivimus vivamus |
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(OP) User ID: 13461811 United Kingdom 07/19/2013 05:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am so sorry Elemental, you were meant to make this thread and please know how helpful it is, Wildhoney your words are beautiful and amazing. I wish you all love and light. God Bless. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34906795 energy cannot be destroyed, it can only be transformed. Nothing is so potent as the silent influence of a good example. Illegitimi non carborundum Alea iacta est. Dum vivimus vivamus |
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User ID: 43465032 Estonia 07/19/2013 10:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you Elemental that you didn't forget me and messaged me, unfortunately I can't answer you back, but the thought of that somebody from different country on internet cares so much for people means a lot. I used to think that people are lost and cold hearted, but this proves me wrong. Thank you for the support. This thread means more than you think, just plain simple warm words can do a miracle. I really hope that no one here will commit suicide, there is so much to live for actually. Thoughts of suicide still haunt me, it's like a last resort. But I try to live day by day, not trying to look in the future, trying to survive and hope for the best. I wish you the very best Elemental, your thread really helped and where is love to each other there is hope, and you showed so much love and hope to people here. Thank you. I'm a bibletard, sorry for the inconvenience. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 38940141 United States 07/19/2013 10:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its an answer. Quoting: Archos 42857583 And why do you feel bad? Because you care about her, or care about what others think of you now your daughter killed herself? Why would others thoughts concern me? Your words speak volumes about your heart. You push antisuicide and then TRY to belittle someone? HHHHMMMMMMM!!!! I think YOUR words speak volumes and what they tell me is you're concerned about yourself and how she left YOU not about suicide and preventing it!!!!!!!!!! |
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(OP) User ID: 13461811 United Kingdom 07/19/2013 11:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And why do you feel bad? Quoting: Archos 42857583 Because you care about her, or care about what others think of you now your daughter killed herself? Why would others thoughts concern me? Your words speak volumes about your heart. You push antisuicide and then TRY to belittle someone? HHHHMMMMMMM!!!! I think YOUR words speak volumes and what they tell me is you're concerned about yourself and how she left YOU not about suicide and preventing it!!!!!!!!!! I haven't tried to belittle anyone and you are most welcome to your own thoughts. I won't have nastiness on this thread. Last Edited by Elemental on 07/19/2013 11:19 AM energy cannot be destroyed, it can only be transformed. Nothing is so potent as the silent influence of a good example. Illegitimi non carborundum Alea iacta est. Dum vivimus vivamus |
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(OP) User ID: 13461811 United Kingdom 07/19/2013 11:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you Elemental that you didn't forget me and messaged me, unfortunately I can't answer you back, but the thought of that somebody from different country on internet cares so much for people means a lot. I used to think that people are lost and cold hearted, but this proves me wrong. Thank you for the support. This thread means more than you think, just plain simple warm words can do a miracle. I really hope that no one here will commit suicide, there is so much to live for actually. Thoughts of suicide still haunt me, it's like a last resort. But I try to live day by day, not trying to look in the future, trying to survive and hope for the best. I wish you the very best Elemental, your thread really helped and where is love to each other there is hope, and you showed so much love and hope to people here. Thank you. Quoting: shyrlymyrly Bless you for your lovely words. What a kind, gentle soul you are, who deserves the best from life energy cannot be destroyed, it can only be transformed. Nothing is so potent as the silent influence of a good example. Illegitimi non carborundum Alea iacta est. Dum vivimus vivamus |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30145563 Malaysia 07/19/2013 01:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But what if you took your life NOT because you hate the world, the people or everything in it, but because you are NOT attracted to anything anymore in this world? There is nothing else that you want anymore. Nothing excites you anymore. All you could feel within you is emptiness upon emptiness. As if the whole world is ALREADY DEAD. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43618207 What if you are able to see everything for what it REALLY is? What if you have the capability to understand everything that happens around you - and that you understand EVERYTHING is part of THE BIGGEST MOVIE ever produced by the Creator HIMSELF? And that you no longer want any part of it? And what if you took your life because after you understand ALL OF THESE, you only want ONE thing - and that is - TO FINALLY MEET YOUR CREATOR. Is SUICIDE then, still morally wrong? And wrong to whom? Do you know that you will meet him if you do? thats the question..as Shakespeare said. in Hamlet The Creator is also here ..everywhere..in the eyes of those that suffer..in the smiles of those that love..in all of his creation..down to the smallest blade of grass What he made is part of Him.. he didnt make man made things..he made man and he made nature..and animals..and all creation he made it beautiful and gave it for free it is not his fault if we spend our time trying to make paper so we can buy and enjoy things he gave us for nothing..and asking nothing in return it is us..and how we percieve life and what it is for it takes a personal choice..to change How do you know I won't be able to meet the Creator after I'm dead? (Not saying it's me, just giving a rhetorical question in general) How do we know that God hates anyone who takes his or her own life? If everything has been predestined, then why is committing suicide so sinful and not allowed? Even when one suffers so much that only death is the answer? How can we be so sure as to be so JUDGEMENTAL that suicide is NOT the answer? Each person's life is UNIQUE - you cannot compare one person's journey with another and generalize lives by saying suicide is not the answer, because ADMIT IT, we don't know what is the BEST for each and everyone on earth. We see lives from our point of view, not the person who commits suicide's point of view. So how can we judge what is best or what is not best, for someone else? Did we walk a mile in that person's shoes? Do we really know how she/he really feels before committing suicide? Aren't we the ones being SELFISH by NOT LETTING GO? If we hold on, but that person doesn't want to hold on, then why do we force that person to continue? Maybe he/she can't take it anymore. Why do we force someone to continue just because 'we think' it is morally wrong and unethical to take your own life? We are indirectly forcing someone who is NOT able to continue anymore, to go on living, AGAINST his/her wishes. We indirectly force him/her to follow OUR WISHES, because we deem the action of taking one's life as being immoral, or sinful. So, aren't we the ones who are actually being SELFISH? In my opinion, I feel that sometimes we are being too judgemental over someone else's actions, we forget that we can't judge just because we think the action is WRONG. Because wrong or right, comes from our own perspective. We will never walk a mile in other people's shoes. We don't see things from other people's point of view, so how can we be judgemental? Did Jesus not say, "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven..." ? I don't mean to derail the thread or to encourage anyone to commit suicide, just honestly seeking alternative answers from different perspectives. |
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(OP) User ID: 13461811 United Kingdom 07/19/2013 03:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | AC30145563 I think that I understand what you're saying; in my case my daughter made her choice which I have no option but to accept. I simply want to explain the devastation left behind after that act. The unanswered questions, the inevitable sadness for all her family and friends. It's a very emotive subject and I have no wish to judge anyone, just to be a friendly, encouraging ear if possible. energy cannot be destroyed, it can only be transformed. Nothing is so potent as the silent influence of a good example. Illegitimi non carborundum Alea iacta est. Dum vivimus vivamus |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4090850 United States 07/19/2013 06:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | elemental Its an important thread, and a beautiful thread too. As a young woman I confided to my mother that I felt too pressured and was afraid i would suicide without help. She told me if I didnt want to live I should make room for someone who did. This was before personal computers. Later, the computer would do me more good than therapy ever did. Therapists are generally very disturbed people. Ive never found one like the books about therapy describe. A friend who flee to idaho to see a therapist who edite a great book said she wasnt so great in person. Our mistake was in thinking of trauma and sadness and sorrows and abusive upbringings as sickness from which we recoger. It implies a natural normal state of health. But Ive never met anyone who enjoys that state. So i figure we are evolving from unconsciousness and unconscious pain to consciousness, awareness and relief from pain. We arent in recovery. We are in discovery, moving into uncharted áreas of awareness. Being able to speak openly about our pain is how we help anyone who cares to read to increase awareness of our own pain. Ever had ba shit day that became suddenly better when you became aware of the pillen count or the temperature or uncring omfortable shoes? Awareness alone can bring relief. I hope i didnt ramble too much. Its a valuable thread. Suicides often believe, in their depression, that their loved ones are better off without them. I am grateful for your thread. It cannot be easy for you to open yourself to the "bad mother' accusations. Mothers dont get the training gun owners and car drivers get. We middle along on instinct and what we learned of mothering as kids. The more intelligent and sensitive we are, the more fraught with danger our lives are. Maybe we are evolving too fast. Maybe our suicides and suicidal people are canaries in the mines, the first to succumb tobour collective suicide, our ecocide, our self destroying society. Ll Now I'm definitely rambling when all I meant to say was thank you. |
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(OP) User ID: 13461811 United Kingdom 07/20/2013 02:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good morning! Wishing you all a happy, loved and loving day :). I've just woken up, which was a bit of a shock as I didn't know that I was asleep ;) Last Edited by Elemental on 07/20/2013 03:24 AM energy cannot be destroyed, it can only be transformed. Nothing is so potent as the silent influence of a good example. Illegitimi non carborundum Alea iacta est. Dum vivimus vivamus |
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(OP) User ID: 13461811 United Kingdom 07/20/2013 05:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good morning! Wishing you all a happy, loved and loving day :). I've just woken up, which was a bit of a shock as I didn't know that I was asleep ;) Quoting: Elemental Good Morning Hope every day is that bit brighter for you and for everyone who is suffering and in pain I'm attending a wedding today so won't be around until this evening, apologies and see you soon :)) energy cannot be destroyed, it can only be transformed. Nothing is so potent as the silent influence of a good example. Illegitimi non carborundum Alea iacta est. Dum vivimus vivamus |
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(OP) User ID: 13461811 United Kingdom 07/20/2013 05:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | May God shine his love on everyone who is suffering and in sorrow. May his Love reach all the souls in need Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43502063 Beautiful, just like the author :)) energy cannot be destroyed, it can only be transformed. Nothing is so potent as the silent influence of a good example. Illegitimi non carborundum Alea iacta est. Dum vivimus vivamus |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 43502063 Spain 07/20/2013 10:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good morning! Wishing you all a happy, loved and loving day :). I've just woken up, which was a bit of a shock as I didn't know that I was asleep ;) Quoting: Elemental Good Morning Hope every day is that bit brighter for you and for everyone who is suffering and in pain I'm attending a wedding today so won't be around until this evening, apologies and see you soon :)) Oh that is wonderful :) |
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(OP) User ID: 13461811 United Kingdom 07/20/2013 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | take that as a lovely sign Elemental..love..wedding..birth..life..love Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43502063 Back now; what a wonderful day! Full of love and hope for the future. Wishing one and all the very same xxxx energy cannot be destroyed, it can only be transformed. Nothing is so potent as the silent influence of a good example. Illegitimi non carborundum Alea iacta est. Dum vivimus vivamus |
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