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Notes from an "alternate universe": Introduction to the New Physical Dreamworld

 
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If installing another os is beyond someone's skills, is deleting all accounts and disconnecting from the internet just as good for changing representations?

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If installing another os is beyond someone's skills, is deleting all accounts and disconnecting from the internet just as good for changing representations?
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Don't go, U3!

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If installing another os is beyond someone's skills, is deleting all accounts and disconnecting from the internet just as good for changing representations?
 Quoting: U3


Hi U3,
these posts of Chaol make you reconsider being on Facebook, Hotmail, Gmail and so forth... been thinking about disconnecting as well. I am an Apple fan since the early nineties so it's kind of hard to accept the fact that they have gone over to the dark side too... :-( But yesterday I deleted Windows 8 from my laptop and installed Ubuntu instead.

Luckily for me I have some experience with Ubuntu. Installing it is not that hard. What could be somewhat hard is backing up your data from your windows/apple system (don't know what you have obviously). I choose an external 2TB drive where I parked all data from the laptop.
Starting with a clean slate again.

You can always try out Ubuntu first by running it from a bootcd. If you have enough space on your computer you can first install it alongside windows and see if you can get it to work; that way you can still access your data from the Windows installation. There is quite a big Linux community where you can ask questions; most linux people are willing to help if you're a novice.

Here is the installation guide, which doesn't look that daunting:
[link to www.ubuntu.com]
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lol

yeah , skip college and introduce "a new physical dreamworld"

lol

casue the "alternative " way of thinking is typing in english on a message board

lol

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We experience everything via our perspective

2) Everything is a representation of something else. (We cannot perceive of reality directly, and we cannot know of anything beyond our perception.)



lol

yes, this is new

lol

does atlernative thinking forgoe reading or somethng?


lol
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bu keep in mind what these new altyernative thinking physicality types can do

and what this great evolution can produce

someone typing on the net

lol

like a 5 year old can do

lol
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Awwww, Marshwiggle and Tuuuuur! hf

I wondered if I made such a big change by leaving the internet, that I would be aware of the Dreamworld and able to run around with you in person, heh! After all, cleaning my house and getting rid of stuff sure changed my perspective a year ago!

OK, Tuuuuur, I'll look into it some more. Also, it occurred to me that my computer store might even have a refurbished computer with Linux installed and working. So, I'll contact them, too.

Thanks guys!

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bu keep in mind what these new altyernative thinking physicality types can do

and what this great evolution can produce

someone typing on the net

lol

like a 5 year old can do

lol
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Ah, 5 years old. Life was great!
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alternative ways of thinking (in so far as sci fi) come about when adapting to new technogy

message boards are dated - even now

i suggest rapid fire say it it one line (twitter like)

and hologram three d stuff would be coming down the pike

making a bumped thread like a dinosaur dieing on the vine
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Yes! Into one of pure imagination

Which why we need To get everyone's mind processes in order so they do not create a hell they think they percieve
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Would you explain this by using an example, Chaol?
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


Hi Marshwiggle! hf

I was about to ask the same, then refreshed the page.

Also, Chaol, could you please explain why "loan sharks" is not enough? It is a popularized term, with a negative connotation.

What about "needless suckers" instead?
If they are not needed, they will obliterate into extinction.
There you go, it's popularized now, because I posted it online!

The examples you give, use common words from a language we are familiar with to express a concept. What about the coming up with completely new words that have no meaning to us, to associate a concept (like Old Chaol mentioned?).
Is that different, in that it's for "personal" use only?
 Quoting: Ambra 42246556

Using the same representations would produce the same results.

Loan sharks are much more accepted than they could be in any civilized society. Any urban area has loads of them. Aren't they financial abortion clinics? Or suicide doctors?

These terms are ridiculous, and that is the point. If a loan shark is disguised as a "check cashing" facility, then that's how the people going to them refer to them. If it's a bank or credit card, then it is simply a bank with "high interest rates" instead of "suicide rates". The former are accepted representations.

If we cringe at referring to something by a ridiculous representation or making ridiculous associations can we say that we think of them as ridiculous?

If it is undesired then it can be associated with representations that are either shocking, unacceptable, or otherwise.

Once the representation is changed then the relationships will change along with them. The only question is what representations to use.

New words can be used for new concepts, or variations of a concept that were not before had.

New phrases can re-present what is already there and has a representation already.
 Quoting: Chaol


I'd say use every representation that you don't usually associate with and usually ignore. I found out there are plenty of those, in my perspective, when I made some meme's today.

It seems you are saying to use new representations that are closer to reality then. Instead of just trying to look at things in a better light....label them for what they actually are.

The thing is, there are different ways to look at the same thing. But I guess the shock value of labeling a loan shark as "financial rapist" has a wake-up value to it?
 Quoting: U3

Well, we can't really know what something actually is.

But yes, the label would be to 'slap' the subconscious. It would be like doing something outside of the routine in order to awaken the mind. Except in this case it would be with language.
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Would you explain this by using an example, Chaol?
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


Hi Marshwiggle! hf

I was about to ask the same, then refreshed the page.

Also, Chaol, could you please explain why "loan sharks" is not enough? It is a popularized term, with a negative connotation.

What about "needless suckers" instead?
If they are not needed, they will obliterate into extinction.
There you go, it's popularized now, because I posted it online!

The examples you give, use common words from a language we are familiar with to express a concept. What about the coming up with completely new words that have no meaning to us, to associate a concept (like Old Chaol mentioned?).
Is that different, in that it's for "personal" use only?
 Quoting: Ambra 42246556

Using the same representations would produce the same results.

Loan sharks are much more accepted than they could be in any civilized society. Any urban area has loads of them. Aren't they financial abortion clinics? Or suicide doctors?

These terms are ridiculous, and that is the point. If a loan shark is disguised as a "check cashing" facility, then that's how the people going to them refer to them. If it's a bank or credit card, then it is simply a bank with "high interest rates" instead of "suicide rates". The former are accepted representations.

If we cringe at referring to something by a ridiculous representation or making ridiculous associations can we say that we think of them as ridiculous?

If it is undesired then it can be associated with representations that are either shocking, unacceptable, or otherwise.

Once the representation is changed then the relationships will change along with them. The only question is what representations to use.

New words can be used for new concepts, or variations of a concept that were not before had.

New phrases can re-present what is already there and has a representation already.
 Quoting: Chaol


I see, thank you for the clarification.

You also mentioned that the new representations have to be popularized. Because my perspective is all there is, I am assuming that this is needed so that all or most other values in my perspective (other aspects of me) interact with the new representation.
 Quoting: Ambra 42296763


Exactly.

The more 'popular' it is in your perspective the more effect it could have on the other values.

But it need not be made popular in order to affect more personal values.

To make something popular on a large scale, it takes [the illusion of] time, and/or powerful media, so that a general "agreement" on the new representation is made, that is, most people start referring to them as such. I don't see how this can be energy or perspective-efficient.
 Quoting: Ambra 42296763

But aren't popular things in your perspective?

How did they get there?

Wouldn't it be more efficient to do this on an individual level, without worrying on how the representation can become popular? Wouldn't the end result technically be the same, because by changing my representations, and consequently my relationships around it, I change perspective?
 Quoting: Ambra 42296763

It starts with you. No worries about whether or not it becomes popular. It takes its own course.

But it could be designed to be more compatible with the things already in your perspective. Again, not a necessity.
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As a society we support war when war-oriented stories are at the top of the most-viewed lists on news websites. When fraction of a second nipple exposure on television becomes more controversial than hundreds of thousands of civilians being killed, then we should know "peace" is not what we want. Since World War 2 there has been a war on civilians (comprising 90% of casualties). Where is the outrage in equal measure as the cancellation of a television show?

 Quoting: Chaol


Maybe I haven't had enough coffee yet this morning, but isn't that just what we've done in the US? Made war irrelevant to our perspective, by focusing instead on nipples? War may still happen, just not in our backyard.
 Quoting: VersionTwo

"just not in our backyard"

time will tell.

(If war has been made irrelevant in the US, one would not know it by the pervasiveness of it in media, in business and corporate strategies, in the classroom, and other places)
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe": Introduction to the New Physical Dreamworld
Here's an interesting blog about how there is an internet "reformation" happening now, at [link to www.thedailybell.com]

Some choice quotes:

"The Gutenberg press allowed readers to examine source material by making the sources available. This was the revolutionary act. The Renaissance emphasized conclusions derived from that fundamental inspiration. The Reformation in its way emphasized sources too."

and

"All across the world, the modern Internet Reformation is beginning to reshape the way people relate to power in the modern age. While it is not so obvious as during the era of the Gutenberg press, there is formal doctrine accepted by Western societies that is beginning to shatter. That formal doctrine may be termed regulatory democracy and it has been leavened with numerous assumptions that on closer inspection turn out not to be true. It is the Internet itself that allows for information to spread that undermines the various precepts of regulatory democracy."
 Quoting: Chaol

This article is a partial view of the impact of the internet. According to the video I linked, the internet is ushering in right-brain (or the goddess), receptiveness. And, if you look at the generations from Boomers to Gen Y, you can see the impact of the internet.

Think of the great things on the internet: Ted Talks, YouTube videos for self-help, creativity etc:, threads like these and I've read about the discussion forums the younger generations are interacting on. They have a whole different focus. They know each person is a teacher at times and a student other other times.

And, internet has the potential for growth exponentially!

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: U3


Indeed it has.

But we can only assume that the concept of "the internet" needs to be seen through to the end in order for this transition to happen.

I think of it more as an introduction. The internet has a lifespan, and it could very well be a short, awesome life of less than 50 years instead of a longer one like the telegraph.
 Quoting: Chaol

OK, so there is a difference in aligning with the parts of our perspective we value (Seth puts it this way....to align with those things we desire).....and interacting differently with the parts of our perspective that cling to the old ways?

So for example, quitting the internet altogether, is not as effective as using a different operating system? When I googled Linux and studied it, I could see that it would not be easy for me. I had already been thinking of quitting the internet but if it's more effective to learn a new os, then that's what I'll do.

And also, as far as re-naming those things in my perspective that I am leaving, this will also aid the transition? (Things such as GMO foods, loan sharks, credit cards, government spying, etc:)

So I guess there are 2 actions to take? I need to decide which representations are most relative and interact differently with them and the rest I re-define?
 Quoting: U3

One could say the alignment is already there. It is your perspective after all.

The question is always "what is relevant?" and to what degree.

The difference between quitting the internet altogether and using a different operating system depends on you and the path you are taking.

Or you could say, which would require more energy/interactions based on my intentions?

Re-presenting the values in your perspective would help the transition because the new perspectives mean new representations, even if ever so slight. A car in your waking life may look the same as in your dream life but they representations interact different. Because of these different kinds of interactions, the what is represented will automatically assume new values (even if you did not intentional give it new names, values, etc.)
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Hi Chaol,

I'm the AC from Malaysia that recently posted in your other thought provoking thread. I wasn't actually doubting your intentions on what you had shared in the thread. I was just folllowing your instructions to bring you back into my perspective to say the least ;). It is after all light entertainment as you have always reiterate. I'm actually still on page 180.

I have never met anyone online with such patience as yourself. It is truly and honor when you replied my post pertaining to me getting hijacked by you. You seemed truly not from this world from my observation. I might not be as intellectually up to par with the majority of posters in GLP by saying that as English isn't my first language but something brougt me to this forum. Call it coincidence or a logical narrative for my ever inquisitve mind but I was actually looking for a specific poster from another conspiracy website who got banned (I presume) for his/her controversial thread. This OP goes by the nickname of 'Innitiate'.

Although at the time it may seem to me 'Innitiate' was in possesion of some serious arcane knowledge, something about his tone wasn't right. Let's just say he had some issue with his patience. Especially when someone was doubting his claims. You my friend, if I may call you so seems the opposite. My mind's defense mechanism has been breached. It has reasoned torturesly to find flaws (within my shallow perspective) and malevolent signs to no avail apart from the only one thing which is the question of the existence of God. This belief is strongly imbedded in me. It's like it has been carved into my being (hope this makes sense) from a very young age. When the thought of looking for the opposite (relationship) of God came into my perception..I felt really sad. It's because I can't find the answer. I truly hope you are wrong about this one.

And from this thread, you have cemented my believe that your intentions are benevolent.

Forgive me for my shitty English, I am just a peasant with little education from Malaysia.

MFL
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Time will tell.

It is best to think of this as just entertainment, as you say. Do not hold Chaol above your own esteem. We are a part of your perspective.

What is written here is for consideration. It is not true.

"God" is not discussed in these threads because it would divert from the purpose of this discussion (in a potentially dramatic way).

But yes, I am wrong.

(And your English is fine :)
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[snips]

If you knew that all of your internet traffic was gathered, categorised, analysed, and reported on...

...and you did nothing, then you have a better idea of where you stand in the new physicality. If you allow this to happen to you, then you allow part of your perspective to maintain its grip.

If you "reject" these practices in theory yet continue to support them in practice then your choice is obvious.

[snips]
 Quoting: Chaol


[snips]

Others may have success (in not experiencing "apocalyptic scenarios") by embracing them. (Yes, embracing them.) By doing this you are essentially expressing to yourself, "yes, that is part of me and I am okay with it." Likely, something else becomes more relative because the values would already be expressed. They would simply disappear. To reject them altogether is to grow those values.
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Chaol, could you please clarify the parts I bolded?

Why (and when) is embracing ok, if we are to do something about the practices you mention?

Can't one then embrace those too and make them irrelevant?
Aren't we pushing against them under the disguise to "replace" them? You said that to reject them is to grow those values.

In what way one should embrace apocalyptic scenarios, but not other things? Can't one "be okay with it", thus creating no resistance? Where is the difference?

I do understand the part about creating new relationships, but I wonder where one draws the line with the embracing, and how that is done in a way that one is not "supporting".
 Quoting: Ambra 42327159

Hi.

By "embracing" it is meant to consider that that thing is you. A part of your perspective, and wholly you.

To embrace it is to re-member yourself by re-membering it as you.

Often, by embracing it it becomes irrelevant. Sometimes we just want to show us that we are that-thing-over-there that you seek to avoid or reject. When we re-member it there is nothing more to learn about it.

You could say there is no difference between embracing and something being irrelevant. When it is irrelevant you are not insecure about its existence in your perspective. You are not rejecting it and, thus, not rejecting your perspective.

For example, if I now start doing research about Ubuntu, trying to learn it fast (and probably hating how it works), fretting about not being spied upon, and leaving an easy interface like OS X, am I not creating more resistance in the process? Then, this resistance will be carried over to the new relationship, wondering why Ubuntu should not be also compromised, because at the core I started seeing my beloved computer as an enemy...

Wouldn't it be easier to change the value of the representation (computer) to one that serves me well? It has until now, and thanks to it, I've learned a lot. It has been a good friend.

Just trying to understand better.
 Quoting: Ambra 42327159

Perhaps allow it to happen naturally.

Don't resist those things, running to alternatives. It would only make it 'worse' in the experience. (You would experience more of what you resist.)

Be okay with it. Then the alternatives will come to your experience naturally.

I hope this helps you some :)
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Thank you.

I'd "hoped" to find a life-line at the last minute to sustain the "illusion" a "little longer". I've (within the last several years) finally began to really appreciate and seek to understand it to the best of my ability. It seems inevitable that it will fade and fall out of focus as the next perspective becomes more clear. I'm glad I had the opportunity to appreciate it before it was gone.

For "a while" now, I've felt as if my experience "here"(in the physical) was a springboard, as if the information I'd acquired "here" was the seed of a never ending journey of discovery. Lucid dreams, oob, the endless teachings and mystery getting ever closer to an understanding forever out of reach, endlessly evolving and growing into greater and greater realms of understanding with richer and richer experiences.

From where I "stand" it seems unlikely (and a complete waste of energy) for it to be forgotten, when there is so much more to be perceived.

Maybe I misunderstand you, as if projecting my fear of loss onto what you're noting.

Maybe what you describe is exactly what I see coming just from a different point of view.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah

Hi.

The illusion is carried with you.

You don't notice the transition now, do you? That would mean that your perspective is changing while at the same time you are taking some of those values into your newer realities.

Perhaps not all, but life changes accordingly.

Even when we sleep we carry some of what we know. And what is happening now is happening in a logical way. There is no complete destruction of your perspective. You would always be surrounded by what you know well (what is most relative). But that may not be the same as when you were born, nor should it be.

Your "life line" is staring you in the face. It's called your present. The illusion is still here, and will always be.

It's just interpreted differently at each moment. That is what creates the sense for the new moment.

Sometimes there are drastic re-interpretations. But, again, this happens in a logical way. Just more rapidly sometimes I guess.
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I do notice the transition. It's bubbling up from the fringe of perspective and projecting itself among all the systems within it. More and more (tiny) alterations to the way I re-member "things" being. It's most noticeable in the way people seem to interact with "me" and each other. The more I notice, the more I look to backpedal(forget) and it seems to slow down(because I've forgotten what to look for). It's that I forget sometimes that I've found what I am looking for and start looking again only to re-member I had already found "it". It's all-ways been this way, we forget (purposefully).

When we talk about "nothing" existing beyond perspective, we don't mean "nothing" as in a closed box we're told is "empty" contains "no-things". We mean "pure chaos" like a closed empty box could contain "nothing", "everything" or "anything" in between. It's when we open the box the logic of perspective is applied to the box and the once kinda-limitless possibility of the future falls through the lens of the present into the structured possibility of the past.

These things playing out on the world stage are like the "box", we've not opened it yet. We can alter perspective by adjusting the logic that supports it to ensure that when the "box" is opened, it is to our benefit. Sure, we experience what is most relative and there are processes already represented in perspective that are defining the logical narrative. Since everything is all-ways represented in perspective in all ways, we need only find the logic to perceive the experience we prefer. Why not "find" it in the processes "all-ready" represented? It's all just a "game" with "real" make-believe friends.

We are like a child, coming across a wrapped present on the playground. We forget the game we were just playing with our friends and wonder what's in the box.

Is this someone else's?

Is this for me?

What's in it?

Maybe I shouldn't shake it, it might be fragile.

Maybe it's naughty pictures.

Maybe it's dangerous. Etc...

We take it to our friends, some say open it, some say presents are evil ("Jehovah's Witness" kids, lol), some say it's their's, etc...

Still the box is wrapped, closed and no one knows what's in it.

We can study and ask around the neighborhood and see if we can find the history of it...

We can leave it there, let someone else deal with it.

Or we can unwrap, open it and the logic of perspective will take care of the rest. Regardless of what we find, we've stopped playing the game with our friends to look for it.

When we re-member the dreamworld into perspective, are we recalling and returning to the game with our friends or are we looking to find out what's in the box? "Some" may "say" they're the same thing and "others" may "see" why they're "different".
 Quoting: MutantMessiah

Yes. <<we need only find the logic to perceive the experience we prefer. Why not "find" it in the processes "all-ready" represented? It's all just a "game" with "real" make-believe friends.>>

It's just different ways to perceive of what cannot be fully contained in any one perception.

Indeed, we "need only find the logic to perceive the experience we prefer"

We are simply re-interpreting what is already there.
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If installing another os is beyond someone's skills, is deleting all accounts and disconnecting from the internet just as good for changing representations?
 Quoting: U3

It depends on if it's done to resist or in an embrace of your perspective.

We move on from the experience when we've filled our perspective in its shell.

There is a big difference between, "Yes! That is me. WTF have I been doing? I sucked!" and "That is bad! WTF is that? I don't want it."

The former thinking will render the experience irrelevant, and progress is made with new representations that better-suit our new perspectives.

The latter will just bring more of the same in a repeating pattern that could go on forever (and so it does for some).
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lol
yeah , skip college and introduce "a new physical dreamworld"
lol
casue the "alternative " way of thinking is typing in english on a message board
lol
dolt
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Sounds like fun, where do I sine?
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We experience everything via our perspective
2) Everything is a representation of something else. (We cannot perceive of reality directly, and we cannot know of anything beyond our perception.)

lol
yes, this is new
lol
does atlernative thinking forgoe reading or somethng?
lol
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There is nothing new on these threads.

But "alternate universe" is in quotes not for the illustration of thought of alternative things but because it is not really an alternate universe.
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bu keep in mind what these new altyernative thinking physicality types can do

and what this great evolution can produce

someone typing on the net

lol

like a 5 year old can do

lol
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Exactly ;)
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alternative ways of thinking (in so far as sci fi) come about when adapting to new technogy

message boards are dated - even now

i suggest rapid fire say it it one line (twitter like)

and hologram three d stuff would be coming down the pike

making a bumped thread like a dinosaur dieing on the vine
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Now we're cooking with gas!

(and smoking the good turkey)
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lol

look, you could be like 21 for all i know

and this isd all like new or somethng , so really my bad

look up some philosphers, neitchzche wrote about the physical world being a product of our sensory organs, etc

this stuff is old hat, and was tackeled by some keen minds

unless you want to sound not in the know when confrointed by acadamia types
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Yes! Into one of pure imagination

Which why we need To get everyone's mind processes in order so they do not create a hell they think they percieve
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40677242

Armageddon in 3 easy steps!

Step One: Face yer demons.

Step Two: Realize it's not so bad. But you are your demons AND your angels and everything in between.

Step Three: Now do something about it! Get your reality into (your) shape.

Done. Wash, rinse, repeat.
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe": Introduction to the New Physical Dreamworld
lol

look, you could be like 21 for all i know

and this isd all like new or somethng , so really my bad

look up some philosphers, neitchzche wrote about the physical world being a product of our sensory organs, etc

this stuff is old hat, and was tackeled by some keen minds

unless you want to sound not in the know when confrointed by acadamia types
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29442850

If it were "old hat", would we be attracted enough to refresh a number of times?

Sometimes the most attractive hats are those mistaken for my wife!

Assumptions can be quite productive. We hold that the universe works under the assumption that it exists.
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Physical Reality is exactly the same as it always was.

What is changing is the need to rewrite the scientific understanding of it.

Until we as humans evolve to harness and manipulate the physical, things wil be no different.

It's that simple.
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Physical Reality is exactly the same as it always was.
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So physical reality never changes?

What is changing is the need to rewrite the scientific understanding of it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41886542

But how could change exist in such a universe where everything is exactly the same as it always was?

Until we as humans evolve to harness and manipulate the physical, things wil be no different.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41886542

Like, through our bodies? Through motion, sense, thought, action?

It's that simple.
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It sounds like a boring universe where humans are forever stuck stinking up the primordial soup.

Is there pizza at least?

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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe": Introduction to the New Physical Dreamworld
The New Physicality: What Changes Can Be Expected?

This is something I've been wondering about for the past few days, ever since I was struck with a sense of the physical transition. What is it like? What will it be like?

What I know so far...

The lag time between thought and experience will lessen, as in the dreamworld. If you think it and can imagine a logical path to it, you experience it. Part of you may go through the motions of the experience (just like here in this physical world), while another part of you experiences it simultaneously.

Time is still experienced with "simultaneity". We still have perceptions, which means interpretation of that which is beyond time and space. The interpretation of it is relative. So we experience that which is relative simultaneously and that which is less relative with more lag time. It would be as though, right now, you had an awareness of how each minute part of your body was feeling. Your immediate environment is easily morphed. You think something and there it is. But when it is not so relative it takes more interactions to experience. If you want to experience a stranger's body, for example, you need to go through more motions/interactions in order to do so. An example would be this paragraph. You see the most relative word simultaneously with other words in your peripheral.

The dreamworld is just as detailed and far more vast than your experience now. The vividness of the dreamworld is spectacular. I am not sure how this happens but I believe it comes from a more complete awareness. And of course it goes on forever.

What will the human experience be like?

It's difficult to put the above into words. But this one is difficult for me to answer because I am not sure. I am assuming that it will be something like the lucid dreaming state, where your awareness is between two worlds. We will have to wait and see.

What is the timeframe for this dreamworld physicality?

From what I have seen, it would appear that 2015 is a good guess. (This is based on other events and how things are unfolding, as well as details of what I have seen.) 2013 is when the physical world crumbles, followed by a transition period with a surety of dreamworld experiences.

It seems that when this physical reality falls apart people will turn to their "inner" realities. This is an important part of what I have seen, and the crumbling of this physical world is the impetus for the mass transit.

Why do you say that the dreamworld is physical?

This is hard to explain. But we hold that everything is physical because perspective is physically-based. Light, sound, energy, are also physical. But expressing different kinds of physicality.

Our kind of physicality is one small slice of the physical 'spectrum'. Other times and spaces (such as past, or distant worlds) are our neighbors, but the complete physical world is far more vast than anything that could be imagined. Although other physicalities move between our own, so to speak, we only experience that which is most relative. We may experience events in other worlds, but it is interpreted in a way that is most relative to us. (A thought or a smell could be two such interpretations, but we'll save that for another chapter.)

More to unfold...
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Hi Marshwiggle! hf

I was about to ask the same, then refreshed the page.

Also, Chaol, could you please explain why "loan sharks" is not enough? It is a popularized term, with a negative connotation.

What about "needless suckers" instead?
If they are not needed, they will obliterate into extinction.
There you go, it's popularized now, because I posted it online!

The examples you give, use common words from a language we are familiar with to express a concept. What about the coming up with completely new words that have no meaning to us, to associate a concept (like Old Chaol mentioned?).
Is that different, in that it's for "personal" use only?
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Using the same representations would produce the same results.

Loan sharks are much more accepted than they could be in any civilized society. Any urban area has loads of them. Aren't they financial abortion clinics? Or suicide doctors?

These terms are ridiculous, and that is the point. If a loan shark is disguised as a "check cashing" facility, then that's how the people going to them refer to them. If it's a bank or credit card, then it is simply a bank with "high interest rates" instead of "suicide rates". The former are accepted representations.

If we cringe at referring to something by a ridiculous representation or making ridiculous associations can we say that we think of them as ridiculous?

If it is undesired then it can be associated with representations that are either shocking, unacceptable, or otherwise.

Once the representation is changed then the relationships will change along with them. The only question is what representations to use.

New words can be used for new concepts, or variations of a concept that were not before had.

New phrases can re-present what is already there and has a representation already.
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I'd say use every representation that you don't usually associate with and usually ignore. I found out there are plenty of those, in my perspective, when I made some meme's today.

It seems you are saying to use new representations that are closer to reality then. Instead of just trying to look at things in a better light....label them for what they actually are.

The thing is, there are different ways to look at the same thing. But I guess the shock value of labeling a loan shark as "financial rapist" has a wake-up value to it?
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Well, we can't really know what something actually is.

But yes, the label would be to 'slap' the subconscious. It would be like doing something outside of the routine in order to awaken the mind. Except in this case it would be with language.
 Quoting: Chaol





OK...that makes sense. So now, how do we decide what all needs to be re-defined? It seems to me there are lots of things in my perspective that need it. I could probably spend weeks on a project like this.

Or, is using a different os re-defining such a large, relative part of perspective, that not much more is needed to be re-defined?

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