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Australian State passes compolsary vaccination laws. The State now owns your kids.

 
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Australian State passes compolsary vaccination laws. The State now owns your kids.
Vaccination laws:

NSW parliament passes controversial laws over childcare

The New South Wales Parliament has passed new laws covering childcare centres and vaccination.

From next January, a childcare centre can refuse to enrol a child whose parents or guardians cannot show proof of vaccination or provide an approved exemption.


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It's been like that here for years.
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that's not "compolsary vaccination"

that's "if you want to send your child to a childcare centre, get it vaccinated first"

there is no law or requirement to send children to childcare, so it is not in any way "compolsary"
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that's not "compolsary vaccination"

that's "if you want to send your child to a childcare centre, get it vaccinated first"

there is no law or requirement to send children to childcare, so it is not in any way "compolsary"
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you don't know how the system works do you
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that's not "compolsary vaccination"

that's "if you want to send your child to a childcare centre, get it vaccinated first"

there is no law or requirement to send children to childcare, so it is not in any way "compolsary"
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you don't know how the system works do you
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can you explain it?
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that's not "compolsary vaccination"

that's "if you want to send your child to a childcare centre, get it vaccinated first"

there is no law or requirement to send children to childcare, so it is not in any way "compolsary"
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Perhaps, but what happens in a year or two when you want to send your child to school.

A new law by then to cover that too?

If they get away with this you can bet on it.

As a parent and a nurse it was not thought to be a serious problem if your kid caught some illness when young.

They got far better natural immunity than most vaccinations normally provide, and usually their illness when young was relatively insignificant.

Mumps comes to mind, far better to get it when you are quite young, but god help you once you are older.

There are exceptions here and common sense should prevail, for eg, MMR and whooping Couch, Polio should be very strongly recommended.
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I am aussie, so naturally i am retarded.

If your child has been vaccinated why would you care if other children are not. Does the vaccination not provide protection?? If NOT, why get the shot.
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Yeah but the centers can also use there own discretion. I know our local center will still accept a child if not Vac after the set date.
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Perhaps, but what happens in a year or two when you want to send your child to school.

A new law by then to cover that too?

If they get away with this you can bet on it.

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IF that happens, then people who don't want to vaccinate their children can home school. Or they can open their own school where only un-vaccinated children are allowed. That would be great wouldn't it? All those un-vaccinated children can go to the un-vaccinated school and catch every disease and get great immunity from everything!
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And who the hell elected any government to dictate to the parents who elected them, how to raise their children.

I dodnt see that on any adgenda before any election.

This is way way past any authority ever offered or permitted for any government to believe that they have the right to interfeer in.

The good old nanny state at work again.

Before too many more years we will be dictated to by our elected politicians that some composary IQ test has determined your kid has too low an IQ to be permitted to parent any kid and they have been compolsarily taken away for a week but will be returned back to you but after they have been sterilized.

Or maybe an inherrited genetic dissorder has been detected in a blood test that was compolsarily taken from your child.

And as a result of that the state might have to carry greater than normal expenses caring for that childs offspring later on, so they took the pecaution in the best interests of the greater good and sterilized you child before it could parent any offspring.

This direction is insanely wrong.

Governments need to govern.

And parents do the parenting.
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Yeah but the centers can also use there own discretion. I know our local center will still accept a child if not Vac after the set date.
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Please read all the article.

I couldnt post all of it because of copyright conventions.

What the rest of it goes on to say that those centres can be heavily fined if they haven got the records available for proof and that exceptions must be covered by medical support.

What isnt said ..yet, is that, I suspect if a medical certificate is allowing an unvaccinated child in a centre, how long do you think it will be before that child will need to re-assed by a Government paid doctor, and we all know where this leads to.
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What isnt said ..yet, is that, I suspect if a medical certificate is allowing an unvaccinated child in a centre, how long do you think it will be before that child will need to re-assed by a Government paid doctor, and we all know where this leads to.
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all doctors are paid by the government. you must know that.
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The State now owns your kids

It's the same in the United States.
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Hows this for some simple common sense.

What are the proven statistics that there is serious harm currently being suffered by children in these setting, from past and current experience that might actually justify this new law.

Statistically and scientifically substantiated proof that this insanely overt intrusion into family lives can be justified.

And , if the State is going to enforce, by law, these vaccinations, are they also prepared to also carry the burden of care for the small number of kids that are known to suffer adverse and permanent damage from reactions to some vacinations.

The risks might be just 5 per 1000 vaccinations,for example, but in a community of several millions, the question must be asked and clarified.

In some countries this has been debated and the State or Country concerned has had to agree to carry the burden of the consequences of their laws and justice would naturally dictate so.

Then of course, what happens when a bad batch of vaccinations is given in blanket vaccinations only to find out too late that the whole batch was bad and 9 out of 10 kids are significantly and permanently damaged, what then.

It has happened, just this year there were several bad batches of vaccinations detected late in Europe that had to be withdrawn, now those that got them wait to see if they become affected in some way.

Do want to be a parent in that situation with you child, would you subject your child's life to such a dangerous game of Russian Roulette.

Does this government have that right?

I very much doubt it.
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The state owned your kids when you registered their birth, same as it owns your car when you register it, that's why they can impound your car or 'impound' your kids.
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What isnt said ..yet, is that, I suspect if a medical certificate is allowing an unvaccinated child in a centre, how long do you think it will be before that child will need to re-assed by a Government paid doctor, and we all know where this leads to.
 Quoting: arkay

all doctors are paid by the government. you must know that.
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You really are nieve.

I fear that you have a very large journey into the serious lessons in life.

And the devious workings of what life is really like in this country.

Dont ever get yourself injured at work and need to claim workers compensation, for example.
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What isnt said ..yet, is that, I suspect if a medical certificate is allowing an unvaccinated child in a centre, how long do you think it will be before that child will need to re-assed by a Government paid doctor, and we all know where this leads to.
 Quoting: arkay

all doctors are paid by the government. you must know that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41668593


You really are nieve.

I fear that you have a very large journey into the serious lessons in life.

And the devious workings of what life is really like in this country.

Dont ever get yourself injured at work and need to claim workers compensation, for example.
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you sure you're a nurse? you've never heard of medicare? all doctors are paid by the government. you must know that.
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What isnt said ..yet, is that, I suspect if a medical certificate is allowing an unvaccinated child in a centre, how long do you think it will be before that child will need to re-assed by a Government paid doctor, and we all know where this leads to.
 Quoting: arkay

all doctors are paid by the government. you must know that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41668593


You really are nieve.

I fear that you have a very large journey into the serious lessons in life.

And the devious workings of what life is really like in this country.

Dont ever get yourself injured at work and need to claim workers compensation, for example.
 Quoting: arkay


you sure you're a nurse? you've never heard of medicare? all doctors are paid by the government. you must know that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41668593


How old are you.

I went to see my medico earlier this week, and Im sure that I paid the bill, I did receive some of that cost back but not all of it by a long way.

Also, the government doesent pay anything, our taxes pay it, just to be completely clear.

Now without wishing to sound too severe here, can I also ask if you are a parent, with all the responsibilities that come with that priveledge.

Proudly, I am.

After all that IS what is being discussed here.
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Just to highlight the "not so safe" nature of some vacccines, here is an excerpt from a recent study into a Swine Flu vaccine that was administered in 2009.

And these effects were on adults not children.

May 23, 2013

Finnish study suggests GSK H1N1 vaccine raised narcolepsy risk in adults
A study by Finland's National Institute for Health and Welfare found that vaccination with Pandemrix, GlaxoSmithKline's 2009 H1N1 flu vaccine, increased the risk of narcolepsy in adults, not just children, according to a Reuters report today. The institute said an analysis of hospital and primary care data showed that adults aged 20 to 64 who received the vaccine were three to five times more likely to experience narcolepsy than those who didn't receive it, Reuters reported.


Link here...

[link to www.cidrap.umn.edu]
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bump

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that's not "compolsary vaccination"

that's "if you want to send your child to a childcare centre, get it vaccinated first"

there is no law or requirement to send children to childcare, so it is not in any way "compolsary"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41668593


Perhaps, but what happens in a year or two when you want to send your child to school.

A new law by then to cover that too?

If they get away with this you can bet on it.

As a parent and a nurse it was not thought to be a serious problem if your kid caught some illness when young.

They got far better natural immunity than most vaccinations normally provide, and usually their illness when young was relatively insignificant.

Mumps comes to mind, far better to get it when you are quite young, but god help you once you are older.

There are exceptions here and common sense should prevail, for eg, MMR and whooping Couch, Polio should be very strongly recommended.
 Quoting: arkay


Vaccinations make you ill and don't work.
The theory of anti-bodies is seriously flawed.
You are all blattering fools with zero logical thought.
Health = immunization. Not anti-body flawed theory shit.
Vaccinations are designed to ruin people and anyone advocating vaccinations should be caged or locked up.
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Follow this other GLP link for some more revealing info in vaccination safety.

First post is pretty straight up.

Link Here...

Thread: Australian journalist wins prestigious award for exposing flu vaccine scandal





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