What if Satan was really the good guy?

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Whoever owns the press wins, eh? It is this whole fixation on good guys and bad guys games scenarios ...

I am contemplating this too, because according to the legend his main sin was spreading knowledge, which isn't a sin at all. And the elite respect him so they know something about him that we don't.

satan is probably a bad word to use

lucifer is referred to as the bright and morning star in the OT

the messiah refers to himself as the bright and morning star in the NT

the message of the NT is largely one of a thirst for knowledge, which is what the snake in the garden inspires

people who have never read the bible believe heaven and hell are places you go after you die, which has no biblical basis, and that satan is the ruler of hell, which again has no biblical basis. the bible is properly read as the historical account of a great battle of good versus evil, the OT being about an era where freemasons (evil) rules and the NT being about bringing forth a new path to the world (good) that defeats the secrecy, double dealing, murderous and usurious ways of the lodges, relegating them forever to the history books

The number 1 invention of all the?
The printing press? Bullshit

Give me a bike any day, and Live

Well said Ac

You should go further back... The fella's name is Prometheus and if you look at modern societies corporations, governments and whatnot, you'll see they do indeed worship the old religion. It's all in the architecture and statues littered around the world. The bringer of light, fire, the eternal flame. knowledge..... apples.

it should be noted that by "worshiping the old religion" we mean that they value secrecy and a division of elite from slaves over the more modern notions of equal opportunity, love, universal knowledge

some naive youngsters are misled into thinking that the NT is somehow a rejection of knowledge and the snake/lucifer of the OT, which is a bit silly but understandable since so many modern christians pervert the religion.

the knowledge bringer is the bad guy in the OT (freemasons favor secrecy) and the good guy in the NT (christians fight against secrecy)

Hashatan = the Accuser, in Hebrew.

Real numbers? Look it up if ya really know

the adversary, the one who storms the temples, accuses the corrupt of corruption

oi vey, oi vey, that dirty little messiah was such a hasatan!

But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. John 5:45

what if it's all good??



what if you're completely free to see as you will??

Maybe just saying what Satan actually means will enlighten some of you?

Satan (Hebrew: הַשָּׂטָ&#150​3; ha-Satan, "the opposer,"

Satan literally means "My Enemy"

His Description in the Bible is that He is the Accuser of the Brethren complaining about them night and day

Also in the End times He is Like a Roaring Lion running about looking to devour whoever He Can Because He knows that His Time is Short

[He wants to take as many of us as possible with him]

Originally His name was Lucifer He was The Highest angel in Heaven and He Coveted God's Throne (broke the tenth Commandment)

He then started a Rebellion against God to try to take Heaven by Force and by deception, Tools Christ could not use Who Kicked Him out of Heaven,

If He was just destroyed instead of booted The Angels in heaven might have thought their was something to his rebellion and that is why he was allowed to live to show His True Nature, which He did at Calvery when He incited The Crowds to Murder Christ

and God Still Has to allow Him to Show exactly what sort Ruler He would be before He destroys Him, So Lucifer will pretend to be Christ and the people of this Planet will worship Him.

Although by this thread it seems many people are more than ready to worship him already. thinking the guy who wants you 100% dead is just misunderstood, shows that Satan already has his claws deeply into you.

Maybe if God created all, even satan, then God could be using satan to test man in each of our daily lives..

The looks I get when I ask people to ponder this question. I believe it,

Naw. There's no such thing as satan.

There's lucifer though. But he's nothing special. Just an alien guy. Annunaki. Nothing spiritual about it. He's a physical being.

If somebody wants to teach humanity a few things that's great. We have the option and the right to accept or deny it.

It is not necessary to worship anyone though. It is perfectly fine to stand tall as a spiritual being of your own right. What loving god would expect you to grovel at his feet like a begging dog. Fuck that. That's not God. That's some sick bastard that wrote about himself in the bible. And his name is Enlil. The true evil one. The somcalled god of the bible that smited humans. Makes us beg. Kills us off. Keeps us dumb.

You guys seeing the picture?

Well, you aren't. Adam used to walk and talk with god. So did Enoch. Some of those guys even got a little sassy at times, or whined about shit. Now, piss god off and he wipes out your cities...but all the way to the end of the book, groveling gets nobody any points.

So, basically you are ignorant, while thinking you are enlightened. Bad combination.

I do imagine sort of a cliche movie scene when I think about God & Satan. Like, shoot him, he's the bad guy! No, shoot him, he's Satan! No, he's Satan, I'm Lucifer! It's all a lot more complex than we're normally told and it becomes sort of a he-said he-said thing.

I think one common idea is that Satan and Lucifer are not the same. Satan (I guess) would be the really actually bad guy, and Lucifer would be a good guy. I suppose it would be Satan masquerading as Yahweh, then. "By their fruits you shall know them" and all that...

One thing I think is interesting...

You know how we have this idea of God whispering in one ear to do the right thing, and Satan whispering in the other ear to do the wrong thing?

Consider the story of Abraham. God tells him to kill his son, because that would be pleasing to God. Okay... So Abraham decides he will. And it's beyond our ability to understand how this is right and God is still good, but let's just go along with it. So, God is telling Abraham to kill his son, because it's the good thing to do. If that's what God is telling him to do, what would Satan be telling him to do? "Don't kill your son!" OH the evil!

That Abraham and Isaac story always bothered me, since I was a small child. The christian teachers at Sunday school would try and explain it to me and justify god's and Abraham's actions.

I just thought the whole thing was fucked up.

LMAO! Someone gave me negative Karma saying I am justifying Satan.

No, I'm not actually. I simply said I did not like that particular bible story... that's it.

God bless.

Last Edited by HI.Lander on 06/20/2013 04:22 AM

The Creator God is clearly Satan. The Jews Christians and Muslims are all worshipping Satan, this is why the earth is so screwed up.

sad to see so many souls go down the drain.
i just want it to end already.
so sick of this world.

He is.

But that doesn't mean anybody else is bad.

It's not going to just "End". Just make the best out of it. There are plenty of reasons to enjoy this place. Try not to be such a negative nelly. No offense of course as I don't know your situation but look for the positive.

Abraham KNEW that Isaac would live. He even said to his servants that BOTH of them would return. Showing contempt for God and His written scriptures, profitable for learning and instruction, stems from the carnal mind - which the serpent rules over. So you are doing and expressing exactly what the serpent tells you. Do you not see this? How about not listening to that voice and instead seek the wisdom of God to show you this parable? You let the serpent shoot yourself in the foot simply be ause you do not have spiritual understanding regarding this parable. Do you always do this with everything that you don't understand? I don't think so. So why do it with the very power of God unto salvation, the gospel? Think about it - you don't routinely go around mocking things that you don't understand, but why is it with scripture that you do? How about taking the normal attitude like you do elsewhere in your life - simply saying I don't understand? I'll tell you why and it is the serpent who rules this order of things, that strives to bring men into complete independence from their creator. The serpent doesn't appeal to you to walk with God, but it's the exact opposite - independence from God,in a world of carnal pleasures and carnal knowledge. Look around you today and you will see the outcome of the masses not only living without God, but living as if He doesn't see everything that they do. This world is rising up into full blown rebellion in a carnal order and carnal system which EXCLUDES GOD AS GOD AND INCLUDES MAN AS ULTIMATE GOD.
Nothing good can come of us. We see this before our eyes when men who cheat steal and lie are the ones rewarded, when men who deem the handicapped and elderly and unborn not worthy of life so they convince the world that abortion and euthanasia are signs of advancement, and when tyrants and dictators rise on the backs of wicked people because their very wickedness only served to strengthen the law enforcement and militarise in cracking down on their unruly heads. How about the humble man waking up to realise that he was robbed of God and His Kingdom simply by being led to believe in man for his provision and protection?

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and Yahweeh, the god of Abraham, instituted the burnt offerings and daily sacrifice of thousand of innocent animals slaughtered in the holy temple for the appeasement of god and for the atonement of sins before this dictatorial god.
innocent animals cruelly slaughtered for no reason except to appease god.

and what about the sadistic story of Job???

yes, actually it's a girl, her name is Natas sa.