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User ID: 1580156 United States 06/11/2013 04:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Gypsy Priest At first, your statement sounded odd, but the more you think about it...there could be some descent within the gov't. Within the ranks of TPTB. There are threads calling out this whistleblower as a fake and finding bits of info on him, that support the claim. I'm still up in the air about it, but I find it odd that he supposedly disappeared to China and now wants to go to Iceland. Why not go there in the first place? Lots of questions to be asked, that's for sure. How do you think his supporters would react if Snowden wound up getting taken out? I mean there's a ton of speculation and theories to mull over but it seems like if this scandal generated an outcry of support for Snowden and then he turned up "heart attacked" or "suicides" then people would be outraged. Could that be where this is heading? Again, you ask a great question. Green for that! Who's pulling the strings, though? Who gains the most out of this scandal? What end affect will it have on the common people? It really seems like the Government and NSA actually benefit the most from the scandal as crazy as that sounds. Of they can find a way to vilify and destroy Snowden by branding him a traitor and have him tried (or worse) the spoon fed sheep will go right along with it while his supporters will be branded as political dissidents and sympathizers. Funny how 56% of Americans support the widespread surveillance! I also keep thinking about that TV Show "Person of Interest" and how it could be predictive programming getting people used to Big Brother surveillance being used for "good". Yeah! I thought that too! Person of Interest! I love that show. Also what you just said made me think they could use him as an example to show people to keep their mouths shut. I also found it interesting that right around this time is when they set up road blocks in Alabama asking people for a cheek swab and taking blood. Couldn't believe it! But it has to be for some massive database I would think. However, the incident in AL could be related to Monsanto too. Who knows. If we don't listen we will never hear the truth |
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(OP) User ID: 39174620 United States 06/11/2013 04:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: :.: How do you think his supporters would react if Snowden wound up getting taken out? I mean there's a ton of speculation and theories to mull over but it seems like if this scandal generated an outcry of support for Snowden and then he turned up "heart attacked" or "suicides" then people would be outraged. Could that be where this is heading? Again, you ask a great question. Green for that! Who's pulling the strings, though? Who gains the most out of this scandal? What end affect will it have on the common people? It really seems like the Government and NSA actually benefit the most from the scandal as crazy as that sounds. Of they can find a way to vilify and destroy Snowden by branding him a traitor and have him tried (or worse) the spoon fed sheep will go right along with it while his supporters will be branded as political dissidents and sympathizers. Funny how 56% of Americans support the widespread surveillance! I also keep thinking about that TV Show "Person of Interest" and how it could be predictive programming getting people used to Big Brother surveillance being used for "good". Yeah! I thought that too! Person of Interest! I love that show. Also what you just said made me think they could use him as an example to show people to keep their mouths shut. I also found it interesting that right around this time is when they set up road blocks in Alabama asking people for a cheek swab and taking blood. Couldn't believe it! But it has to be for some massive database I would think. However, the incident in AL could be related to Monsanto too. Who knows. I don't think I've enjoyed a television series as much as I enjoy Person of Interest! But yeah I heard about the roadblocks collecting DNA swabs and blood! That is just bizarre. It was voluntary and people who submitted were paid but it seems odd to collect at a roadblock and not at in a controlled environment like a lab. I wish there was a little glimmer of truth in POI and that PRISM actually deleted all the data it gathered every 24hrs. Hmm. |
Gypsy Priest
User ID: 37401502 United States 06/11/2013 05:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The US Political Elite can't let this go, because it will influence others to do the same. Even the NSA needs servants to do the bidding of the intelligence elite, like the Police and Military. They never know when they're hiring someone with a conscience...so the best thing to do is make an example of someone (to scare the herd into compliance) - Mr Snowden will be extradited and his life destroyed. At a higher level I think his a patsy. A lamb to the slaughter for online Corporate interests. The MSM will drive his undoing. I think Mr Snowden will be put to death in a very public way. Quoting: Lips Of Lucifer ^^^THIS^^^ Except for the MSM part...I believe they'll first have to make this an infamous event. Agreed. Fox News is already having "analysts" coming on and questioning his story. ********Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please******* |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 41067996 United Kingdom 06/11/2013 05:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've known about the current monitoring system for at least a decade. I was listening to a radio talk show while on a long drive one afternoon, and a fellow who worked with the North American monitoring of telephone conversations was talking about how certain words were 'picked up' by their computer scans which would flag the call. Quoting: curiouslyinterested One story he cited was the case of a mother whose son had just finished his first performance in his school play. During a telephone conversation she was having with her friend, she stated 3 times during the call that her son had 'bombed' and how upset her son was. The call was flagged then reviewed, but despite being benign in nature, the woman's name was henceforth on their automatic watch list and could not be removed. If the interviewers story is to be believed, President Obama is correct in his statement whereby he said that nobody was listening to their telephone calls and I for one, agree with this type of monitoring. And let's face it. How could any country honestly listen to every telephone call made within its borders? The task is much too enormous to be effective. All-seeing-eye . listen to snowden . its a treasure to know all your secret life. So when you become a threat to TPTB, it will be used against you. Blackmail material |
Gypsy Priest
User ID: 37401502 United States 06/11/2013 05:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He went to China first because he lived in Hawaii. Check a globe. Iceland is all the way on the other side of the world. He had to make a stop over somewhere. So he went to a place close by that wouldn't extradite him. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7929103 That makes sense, but the US has an extradition treaty with China. ********Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please******* |
MagTog
User ID: 39292843 United States 06/11/2013 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As much as I enjoy rooting for the underdog and clinging to what little shred of hope is still available, I'm starting to feel very uneasy about this whole E.J Snowden / PRISM / NSA mess. We all have known that the NSA has been monitoring and recording pretty much everything that everyone does online and wiretapping phones and reading texts and emails since G.W. Anonymous was the first ones to release the leaked PRISM documents and aren't they just a CIA/DoJ/DoD front OP? Then the whole crap about the mysterious changing name of one MR. Snowden? Is it Eric? Is it Edward? Did he exist at all? This whole scandal has led to an uproar all over the web where people seem to just not shut up about it. Yes, I agree it's an outrage but I feel like people are just playing right into the hands of the enemy like sheep being led to the slaughter. Whitehouse.gov starts a petition to have the investigation dropped and Edward Snowden recognized as an American Hero and the conspiritards rush to sign it and give their personal information to the Government in defense of someone they deem a traitor? Hmm seems legit! Now this "Troll The NSA" campaign? I wonder if being a threat to the NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY is the same as being a threat to NATIONAL SECURITY? This whole thing stinks to high heaven and I'm just not buying it. Any thoughts? Quoting: :.: |
Gypsy Priest
User ID: 37401502 United States 06/11/2013 05:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He went to China first because he lived in Hawaii. Check a globe. Iceland is all the way on the other side of the world. He had to make a stop over somewhere. So he went to a place close by that wouldn't extradite him. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7929103 That makes sense, but the US has an extradition treaty with China. I read in one of the articles that Hong Kong is currently in a state of flux when it comes to extraditions. The writer seemed to think it was an excellent choice to merely disclose the info. Hong Kong officials were the one's who told him to GTFO. Yeah, I posted a thread about that. Forgot China and Hong Kong are like a separate entity. Thread: BREAKING: US whistleblower Snowden should leave Hong Kong, says Chinese lawmaker ********Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please******* |
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User ID: 369183 United States 06/11/2013 05:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am with you OP on the fact that this all may be pre-meditated by TPTB, that; we are feeding right into it all so that they have reasons to declare marchall law and/or start the next phase in Population Control.... ....they've already desensitised millions, so people are already ignorant to the facts. God help us!! He's our only option, has been and is and will be... A Coot is a Bird.... |
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andy User ID: 40345644 United States 06/11/2013 06:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whether or not the peoples reaction to it is a valid approach, the fact that such a program exists and operates under our noses without any oversight or scrutiny from us, the public, is warrant enough that their behavior demands to be made transparent. Imagine if you found out that some stranger was 200 yards outside of your home watching you and your every move, but everytime you tried to ask him what he was doing there, he wouldn't answer or say "It's not for you to know." Imagine that when you tried to call it in to the police, they would respond the same way, that when you told your neighbor, he stopped talking to you altogether and won't return your calls. THIS is the threat that this level of surveilance imposes. There is no moral oversight beyond their own to what they can do, which of course is biased because its a perceived threat to begin with. You even mention certain words nowadays and an army of goons comes over and bangs down your door. There's no justice involved, no legal process, and definitely no definition to WHAT THEY ARE EVEN THERE FOR. The reason the the constitution exists in the first place is to prevent this sort of action from happening from your government because it's empowering the individual from oppression from the state. There is no fault in this logic no matter what the circumstance because it is something that every person can agree with. A human right is in alienable, because we are all human. There are no if, ands, or buts there. And if you want a better definition for a secure state, then give the people a more secure reason to trust each other by aknowledging the definition of trust to begin with. It ain't fucking hard. trust [ trust ] 1.reliance: confidence in and reliance on good qualities, especially fairness, truth, honor, or ability 2.position of obligation: the position of somebody who is expected by others to behave responsibly or honorably 3.hope for future: hopeful reliance on what will happen in the future |
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User ID: 37861890 United States 06/11/2013 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As much as I enjoy rooting for the underdog and clinging to what little shred of hope is still available, I'm starting to feel very uneasy about this whole E.J Snowden / PRISM / NSA mess. We all have known that the NSA has been monitoring and recording pretty much everything that everyone does online and wiretapping phones and reading texts and emails since G.W. Anonymous was the first ones to release the leaked PRISM documents and aren't they just a CIA/DoJ/DoD front OP? Then the whole crap about the mysterious changing name of one MR. Snowden? Is it Eric? Is it Edward? Did he exist at all? This whole scandal has led to an uproar all over the web where people seem to just not shut up about it. Yes, I agree it's an outrage but I feel like people are just playing right into the hands of the enemy like sheep being led to the slaughter. Whitehouse.gov starts a petition to have the investigation dropped and Edward Snowden recognized as an American Hero and the conspiritards rush to sign it and give their personal information to the Government in defense of someone they deem a traitor? Hmm seems legit! Now this "Troll The NSA" campaign? I wonder if being a threat to the NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY is the same as being a threat to NATIONAL SECURITY? This whole thing stinks to high heaven and I'm just not buying it. Any thoughts? Quoting: :.: This Sarah |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 41522695 United States 06/11/2013 06:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As much as I enjoy rooting for the underdog and clinging to what little shred of hope is still available, I'm starting to feel very uneasy about this whole E.J Snowden / PRISM / NSA mess. We all have known that the NSA has been monitoring and recording pretty much everything that everyone does online and wiretapping phones and reading texts and emails since G.W. Anonymous was the first ones to release the leaked PRISM documents and aren't they just a CIA/DoJ/DoD front OP? Then the whole crap about the mysterious changing name of one MR. Snowden? Is it Eric? Is it Edward? Did he exist at all? This whole scandal has led to an uproar all over the web where people seem to just not shut up about it. Yes, I agree it's an outrage but I feel like people are just playing right into the hands of the enemy like sheep being led to the slaughter. Whitehouse.gov starts a petition to have the investigation dropped and Edward Snowden recognized as an American Hero and the conspiritards rush to sign it and give their personal information to the Government in defense of someone they deem a traitor? Hmm seems legit! Now this "Troll The NSA" campaign? I wonder if being a threat to the NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY is the same as being a threat to NATIONAL SECURITY? This whole thing stinks to high heaven and I'm just not buying it. Any thoughts? Quoting: :.: :reeter: Let's see who buys it... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28689320 United States 06/11/2013 07:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it's deep Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28689320 [link to www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com] [link to willyloman.wordpress.com] [link to ajmacdonaldjr.wordpress.com] Could you please fix your links? I'd love to check them out. [link to www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com] [link to willyloman.wordpress.com] [link to ajmacdonaldjr.wordpress.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 41548455 United States 06/11/2013 07:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dont count on the ACLU lawsuit it is all a set up the pacify the american public... get off your asses and file your own suits... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14819309 United States 06/11/2013 07:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's more than a "setup" it is a part of a multi-phase plan to correct the timeline and stop the absolute reign of evil over this country, and world. It's a battle we are losing right now... TIME is running out. Laugh, but we reach the point of no return in just under 6 weeks... If we fail... Well... better to remain somewhat oblivious for now. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14819309 United States 06/11/2013 07:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14819309 It's more than a "setup" it is a part of a multi-phase plan to correct the timeline and stop the absolute reign of evil over this country, and world. It's a battle we are losing right now... TIME is running out. Laugh, but we reach the point of no return in just under 6 weeks... If we fail... Well... better to remain somewhat oblivious for now. That's sucks dude! You have no idea, yet. Enjoy the popcorn. :P |
Listen_n
User ID: 1580156 United States 06/11/2013 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's more than a "setup" it is a part of a multi-phase plan to correct the timeline and stop the absolute reign of evil over this country, and world. It's a battle we are losing right now... TIME is running out. Laugh, but we reach the point of no return in just under 6 weeks... If we fail... Well... better to remain somewhat oblivious for now. Under 6 weeks? If we don't listen we will never hear the truth |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14819309 United States 06/11/2013 07:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14819309 It's more than a "setup" it is a part of a multi-phase plan to correct the timeline and stop the absolute reign of evil over this country, and world. It's a battle we are losing right now... TIME is running out. Laugh, but we reach the point of no return in just under 6 weeks... If we fail... Well... better to remain somewhat oblivious for now. Under 6 weeks? :hide: The first phase began in March... We're in the final phase now. So far everything has failed to accomplish the ultimate goals. Don't worry too much, most people will adapt to life under the rule of absolute evil.. IF it goes that way. |