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Remember the guy/girl who said, ''2 files exist for everyone'' ;)
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Care to elaborate?
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At first, your statement sounded odd, but the more you think about it...there could be some descent within the gov't. Within the ranks of TPTB.

There are threads calling out this whistleblower as a fake and finding bits of info on him, that support the claim. I'm still up in the air about it, but I find it odd that he supposedly disappeared to China and now wants to go to Iceland. Why not go there in the first place?

Lots of questions to be asked, that's for sure.
 Quoting: Gypsy Priest


How do you think his supporters would react if Snowden wound up getting taken out? I mean there's a ton of speculation and theories to mull over but it seems like if this scandal generated an outcry of support for Snowden and then he turned up "heart attacked" or "suicides" then people would be outraged. Could that be where this is heading?
 Quoting: :.:


Again, you ask a great question. Green for that!

Who's pulling the strings, though?
Who gains the most out of this scandal?
What end affect will it have on the common people?
 Quoting: Gypsy Priest


It really seems like the Government and NSA actually benefit the most from the scandal as crazy as that sounds. Of they can find a way to vilify and destroy Snowden by branding him a traitor and have him tried (or worse) the spoon fed sheep will go right along with it while his supporters will be branded as political dissidents and sympathizers. Funny how 56% of Americans support the widespread surveillance! I also keep thinking about that TV Show "Person of Interest" and how it could be predictive programming getting people used to Big Brother surveillance being used for "good".
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Yeah! I thought that too! Person of Interest! I love that show. Also what you just said made me think they could use him as an example to show people to keep their mouths shut.

I also found it interesting that right around this time is when they set up road blocks in Alabama asking people for a cheek swab and taking blood. Couldn't believe it! But it has to be for some massive database I would think. However, the incident in AL could be related to Monsanto too. Who knows.
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Could you please fix your links? I'd love to check them out.
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How do you think his supporters would react if Snowden wound up getting taken out? I mean there's a ton of speculation and theories to mull over but it seems like if this scandal generated an outcry of support for Snowden and then he turned up "heart attacked" or "suicides" then people would be outraged. Could that be where this is heading?
 Quoting: :.:


Again, you ask a great question. Green for that!

Who's pulling the strings, though?
Who gains the most out of this scandal?
What end affect will it have on the common people?
 Quoting: Gypsy Priest


It really seems like the Government and NSA actually benefit the most from the scandal as crazy as that sounds. Of they can find a way to vilify and destroy Snowden by branding him a traitor and have him tried (or worse) the spoon fed sheep will go right along with it while his supporters will be branded as political dissidents and sympathizers. Funny how 56% of Americans support the widespread surveillance! I also keep thinking about that TV Show "Person of Interest" and how it could be predictive programming getting people used to Big Brother surveillance being used for "good".
 Quoting: :.:


Yeah! I thought that too! Person of Interest! I love that show. Also what you just said made me think they could use him as an example to show people to keep their mouths shut.

I also found it interesting that right around this time is when they set up road blocks in Alabama asking people for a cheek swab and taking blood. Couldn't believe it! But it has to be for some massive database I would think. However, the incident in AL could be related to Monsanto too. Who knows.
 Quoting: Listen_n


I don't think I've enjoyed a television series as much as I enjoy Person of Interest! But yeah I heard about the roadblocks collecting DNA swabs and blood! That is just bizarre. It was voluntary and people who submitted were paid but it seems odd to collect at a roadblock and not at in a controlled environment like a lab. I wish there was a little glimmer of truth in POI and that PRISM actually deleted all the data it gathered every 24hrs. Hmm.
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The US Political Elite can't let this go, because it will influence others to do the same. Even the NSA needs servants to do the bidding of the intelligence elite, like the Police and Military. They never know when they're hiring someone with a conscience...so the best thing to do is make an example of someone (to scare the herd into compliance) - Mr Snowden will be extradited and his life destroyed. At a higher level I think his a patsy. A lamb to the slaughter for online Corporate interests. The MSM will drive his undoing. I think Mr Snowden will be put to death in a very public way.
 Quoting: Lips Of Lucifer


^^^THIS^^^

Except for the MSM part...I believe they'll first have to make this an infamous event.
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Agreed. Fox News is already having "analysts" coming on and questioning his story.
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He went to China first because he lived in Hawaii. Check a globe. Iceland is all the way on the other side of the world. He had to make a stop over somewhere. So he went to a place close by that wouldn't extradite him.
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When talking on the phone with certain persons, when certain words are spoken, there is a distinct "click" noise.
Every time without fail and we both say " did you hear that?"


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06/11/2013 05:15 PM
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I've known about the current monitoring system for at least a decade. I was listening to a radio talk show while on a long drive one afternoon, and a fellow who worked with the North American monitoring of telephone conversations was talking about how certain words were 'picked up' by their computer scans which would flag the call.

One story he cited was the case of a mother whose son had just finished his first performance in his school play. During a telephone conversation she was having with her friend, she stated 3 times during the call that her son had 'bombed' and how upset her son was. The call was flagged then reviewed, but despite being benign in nature, the woman's name was henceforth on their automatic watch list and could not be removed.

If the interviewers story is to be believed, President Obama is correct in his statement whereby he said that nobody was listening to their telephone calls and I for one, agree with this type of monitoring. And let's face it. How could any country honestly listen to every telephone call made within its borders? The task is much too enormous to be effective.
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All-seeing-eye . listen to snowden . its a treasure to know all your secret life. So when you become a threat to TPTB, it will be used against you. Blackmail material
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He went to China first because he lived in Hawaii. Check a globe. Iceland is all the way on the other side of the world. He had to make a stop over somewhere. So he went to a place close by that wouldn't extradite him.
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That makes sense, but the US has an extradition treaty with China.
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As much as I enjoy rooting for the underdog and clinging to what little shred of hope is still available, I'm starting to feel very uneasy about this whole E.J Snowden / PRISM / NSA mess. We all have known that the NSA has been monitoring and recording pretty much everything that everyone does online and wiretapping phones and reading texts and emails since G.W. Anonymous was the first ones to release the leaked PRISM documents and aren't they just a CIA/DoJ/DoD front OP? Then the whole crap about the mysterious changing name of one MR. Snowden? Is it Eric? Is it Edward? Did he exist at all? This whole scandal has led to an uproar all over the web where people seem to just not shut up about it. Yes, I agree it's an outrage but I feel like people are just playing right into the hands of the enemy like sheep being led to the slaughter. Whitehouse.gov starts a petition to have the investigation dropped and Edward Snowden recognized as an American Hero and the conspiritards rush to sign it and give their personal information to the Government in defense of someone they deem a traitor? Hmm seems legit! Now this "Troll The NSA" campaign? I wonder if being a threat to the NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY is the same as being a threat to NATIONAL SECURITY? This whole thing stinks to high heaven and I'm just not buying it. Any thoughts?
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He went to China first because he lived in Hawaii. Check a globe. Iceland is all the way on the other side of the world. He had to make a stop over somewhere. So he went to a place close by that wouldn't extradite him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7929103


That makes sense, but the US has an extradition treaty with China.
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I read in one of the articles that Hong Kong is currently in a state of flux when it comes to extraditions. The writer seemed to think it was an excellent choice to merely disclose the info. Hong Kong officials were the one's who told him to GTFO.
 Quoting: Chip


Yeah, I posted a thread about that. Forgot China and Hong Kong are like a separate entity.

Thread: BREAKING: US whistleblower Snowden should leave Hong Kong, says Chinese lawmaker
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Any thoughts?
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I am with you OP on the fact that this all may be pre-meditated by TPTB, that; we are feeding right into it all so that they have reasons to declare marchall law and/or start the next phase in Population Control....

....they've already desensitised millions, so people are already ignorant to the facts.

God help us!! He's our only option, has been and is and will be...
A Coot is a Bird....
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why do i have a feeling that what we are hearing about is Total Information Awareness, in action?
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I think it worked. They got everyone to stop saying Benghazi.

Leaked?

Snowden?

IRS?

AP?

Whatever! Ruffles no feathers at the top.
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why do i have a feeling that what we are hearing about is Total Information Awareness, in action?
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ohyeah
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Can't believe that 56 percent of Americans support Big Brother Surveillance!
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nor should you
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Whether or not the peoples reaction to it is a valid approach, the fact that such a program exists and operates under our noses without any oversight or scrutiny from us, the public, is warrant enough that their behavior demands to be made transparent.

Imagine if you found out that some stranger was 200 yards outside of your home watching you and your every move, but everytime you tried to ask him what he was doing there, he wouldn't answer or say "It's not for you to know." Imagine that when you tried to call it in to the police, they would respond the same way, that when you told your neighbor, he stopped talking to you altogether and won't return your calls. THIS is the threat that this level of surveilance imposes. There is no moral oversight beyond their own to what they can do, which of course is biased because its a perceived threat to begin with. You even mention certain words nowadays and an army of goons comes over and bangs down your door. There's no justice involved, no legal process, and definitely no definition to WHAT THEY ARE EVEN THERE FOR.

The reason the the constitution exists in the first place is to prevent this sort of action from happening from your government because it's empowering the individual from oppression from the state. There is no fault in this logic no matter what the circumstance because it is something that every person can agree with. A human right is in alienable, because we are all human. There are no if, ands, or buts there. And if you want a better definition for a secure state, then give the people a more secure reason to trust each other by aknowledging the definition of trust to begin with. It ain't fucking hard.



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As much as I enjoy rooting for the underdog and clinging to what little shred of hope is still available, I'm starting to feel very uneasy about this whole E.J Snowden / PRISM / NSA mess. We all have known that the NSA has been monitoring and recording pretty much everything that everyone does online and wiretapping phones and reading texts and emails since G.W. Anonymous was the first ones to release the leaked PRISM documents and aren't they just a CIA/DoJ/DoD front OP? Then the whole crap about the mysterious changing name of one MR. Snowden? Is it Eric? Is it Edward? Did he exist at all? This whole scandal has led to an uproar all over the web where people seem to just not shut up about it. Yes, I agree it's an outrage but I feel like people are just playing right into the hands of the enemy like sheep being led to the slaughter. Whitehouse.gov starts a petition to have the investigation dropped and Edward Snowden recognized as an American Hero and the conspiritards rush to sign it and give their personal information to the Government in defense of someone they deem a traitor? Hmm seems legit! Now this "Troll The NSA" campaign? I wonder if being a threat to the NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY is the same as being a threat to NATIONAL SECURITY? This whole thing stinks to high heaven and I'm just not buying it. Any thoughts?
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This
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As much as I enjoy rooting for the underdog and clinging to what little shred of hope is still available, I'm starting to feel very uneasy about this whole E.J Snowden / PRISM / NSA mess. We all have known that the NSA has been monitoring and recording pretty much everything that everyone does online and wiretapping phones and reading texts and emails since G.W. Anonymous was the first ones to release the leaked PRISM documents and aren't they just a CIA/DoJ/DoD front OP? Then the whole crap about the mysterious changing name of one MR. Snowden? Is it Eric? Is it Edward? Did he exist at all? This whole scandal has led to an uproar all over the web where people seem to just not shut up about it. Yes, I agree it's an outrage but I feel like people are just playing right into the hands of the enemy like sheep being led to the slaughter. Whitehouse.gov starts a petition to have the investigation dropped and Edward Snowden recognized as an American Hero and the conspiritards rush to sign it and give their personal information to the Government in defense of someone they deem a traitor? Hmm seems legit! Now this "Troll The NSA" campaign? I wonder if being a threat to the NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY is the same as being a threat to NATIONAL SECURITY? This whole thing stinks to high heaven and I'm just not buying it. Any thoughts?
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:reeter:
 Quoting: THE INQUISADOR


Let's see who buys it...
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Agreed! Something is up. I sense a push towards Marshall lore and then femur camps. The first lesson in avoiding a trap is knowing of its existence....
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LOL That looks like it may have been written by a famous French seer.
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Look at the video of this guy who supposedly made 200k a year and lived in Hawaii - I mean he's pretty pale for someone who lives in the tropics, wouldn't you say?
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If it is a setup...it's a setup against federal employees. Not the people.
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It's more than a "setup" it is a part of a multi-phase plan to correct the timeline and stop the absolute reign of evil over this country, and world.

It's a battle we are losing right now... TIME is running out.
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it's deep


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Could you please fix your links? I'd love to check them out.
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Look up proper disclosure laws... if the government does something illegal and nobody challenges them on it? It becomes legal!


Dont count on the ACLU lawsuit it is all a set up the pacify the american public... get off your asses and file your own suits...
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If it is a setup...it's a setup against federal employees. Not the people.
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It's more than a "setup" it is a part of a multi-phase plan to correct the timeline and stop the absolute reign of evil over this country, and world.

It's a battle we are losing right now... TIME is running out.
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ahhh
 Quoting: Chip


Laugh, but we reach the point of no return in just under 6 weeks...

If we fail... Well... better to remain somewhat oblivious for now.
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It's more than a "setup" it is a part of a multi-phase plan to correct the timeline and stop the absolute reign of evil over this country, and world.

It's a battle we are losing right now... TIME is running out.
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ahhh
 Quoting: Chip


Laugh, but we reach the point of no return in just under 6 weeks...

If we fail... Well... better to remain somewhat oblivious for now.
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That's sucks dude! popcorn
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You have no idea, yet.

Enjoy the popcorn.

:P
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If it is a setup...it's a setup against federal employees. Not the people.
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It's more than a "setup" it is a part of a multi-phase plan to correct the timeline and stop the absolute reign of evil over this country, and world.

It's a battle we are losing right now... TIME is running out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14819309


ahhh
 Quoting: Chip


Laugh, but we reach the point of no return in just under 6 weeks...

If we fail... Well... better to remain somewhat oblivious for now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14819309


Under 6 weeks?

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If we don't listen we will never hear the truth
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It's more than a "setup" it is a part of a multi-phase plan to correct the timeline and stop the absolute reign of evil over this country, and world.

It's a battle we are losing right now... TIME is running out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14819309


ahhh
 Quoting: Chip


Laugh, but we reach the point of no return in just under 6 weeks...

If we fail... Well... better to remain somewhat oblivious for now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14819309


Under 6 weeks?

:hide:
 Quoting: Listen_n


The first phase began in March... We're in the final phase now. So far everything has failed to accomplish the ultimate goals.

Don't worry too much, most people will adapt to life under the rule of absolute evil.. IF it goes that way.





GLP