Careful now, let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

So ... was he as intelligent (then) as he seems in the interview (now)?

Again, you ask a great question. Green for that!

Who's pulling the strings, though?
Who gains the most out of this scandal?
What end affect will it have on the common people?

And, did he move or something (that you never heard from him again?)

Absolutely. He was the quiet kid that was smart. Wasn't necessarily good in school, but you could tell it was because he was smarter than the teachers... If that makes sense... Loved computers too...

Very quiet and introverted, though.

Well, I'd like to think that the system is smarter than that also I was just saying if its so smart than why would someone be placed on a list from which they can't be removed just for using a particular word in a benign manner?

I kind of moved on myself and went on Phish tour and kind of got lost there, so it may have been me moving on more so than him.

It's not that complicated. The Congress (criminals) via legislation imposed upon the Courts has eviserated the Bill of Rights. The 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th amendments do not EXIST in Federal Court. The several States have began, or have, adopted the federal rules of procedure. State rules mirror federal rules. The Supreme Court members are appointed by the Executive and ratified by the Senate. Therein lies the rub: POLITICAL APPOINTEES. As such, the Judicial Branch is not free from agenda's and conflicts of interests; regardless of whether they recuse. Until the Supreme Court is APPOINTED by the JUDICIARY; there will be no so-called separate and "equal". Next, all three branches of government have conspired and confederated to repeal the Bill of Rights by Judicial fiat; Executive act; or Congressional Measure. This "war" is about freedom and individual Liberty...the freedom of Locomotion; travel, against unlawful stops and seizures; as well as, the FREEDOM TO BE LEFT THE HELL ALONE. Those who have no aquantaince with history are shells who will be easily enslaved.

I can think about two possible antagonistic factions:

CIA x NSA
NSA x MOSSAD

Which one do you pick?

Just too much happening all of a sudden. Smoke screen or snowjob(parden the pun). What scares me is what is really going on. 64 thousand dollar question.

Mr. Obama has a license to kill - anytime, any country, and for whatever reason seems relevant. The global battlefield.

Snowden didn't invent that.

All on the same team .

Here's the other thing. This surveillance expose has one real truth to it, and that is the Multinational Corporations Stealing of German Economic data. The most Highly 'Surveilled' European Country according the leaked Data, of one the most economically successful European Countries. One starts to understand how the First and Second World Wars really started. Their are lawless Multinational Corporate Pirates on the High Seas of the Global Economy and the global peasant will pay for their criminality while they'll carefully watch their expendable Human Capital rip themselves apart for Profit. This is real

I'm going to post in this thread even though it is
against my better judgment to do so...I'm getting so
f'ing paranoid about who is watching who--and what
lists are being compiled--that I'm wondering WHAT TO
BELIEVE anymore!

Listen....This Snowden fellow--I watched his video
supposedly filmed in Hong Kong--doesn't have the
body language of a person who is running for their
life. He wasn't red-eyed from lack of sleep or for
crying for his beloved wife and family he supposedly
has left forever...He speaks calmly and very very
intelligently to the interviewer which shows that
there is no ambient STRESS LEVEL in his life which
would affect his thinking. Trust me...a guy his age
and with his attachments from living the "American
Dream" would have TOTAL FULL-BLOWN P.T.S.D. from
going through what he has supposedly endured by
coming forward as a whistleblower and then making
a hastey exit to a foreign country...and WHY HONG KONG?
I don't get this at all! The guy is JUST TOO COOL
....AND NOT ONLY THAT--he doesn't really give a good
enough reason ("I just couldn't allow these misdeeds
to continue) for TRASHING HIS AND HIS WIFE'S LIVES
--let alone to make him a certain TARGET for
disappearance.
Sorry....but not signing any petition here...not
getting the tissue from the kleenex box to cry
for his wife....IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Just another
'FAIL'!! (qUESTION is...who benefits from the American
public making this Snowden guy their new poster-child
for whitle-blower amnesty? Is there someone sitting
in prison right now WHO SHOULD BE GETTING OUR ATTENTION?
(But isn't because everyone's eyes are on Snowden?)
There is "something FISHY IN DENMARK" and it isn't
the Chop Suey!
Cheers!
SK

I don't know, but I recall watching this video where a former fbi agent alludes to them being able to listen to past phone calls
[link to www.youtube.com]


And then there was this post the other day:
Thread: Shia Labeouf was correct in 08, said gov't was recording calls

Let me try for you. If you look into recent 'Industrial History' the Nobility first encountered a global problem from their herd/human capital with the Industrial Revolution. The Khazarian Diaspora (Global Multinationals of the time)were faced with a growing working Middle Class/Threat in Europe (England/Germany)that seriously threatened their positions: an entitlement from their god (Satan); and then wiped out the Flower of Europe...stomped on it like a Bug. Then again used the innovation of their peasants to drive their subtle message home (World War for Blood Profit 2); this time entrenching their ultimate economic creation - the New world/USA. The Third wave is now upon these dangerous Sociopaths...The Info/Tech Revolution, and it's is Business as usual where middle working class Culture/Unity must be destroyed so god's chosen few can enjoy lives close to their Given God....God.. the an amateur Golfer who drives luxury Bullet Proof vehicles and wears Gucci while dining at the Grove...

But does it really matter??

Who cares if Snowden even exists? Isn't what he's "doing" going to inspiring an entire generation, who in turn will inspire the next, and so on? Even if he doesn't exist, now that "they've" put him in the collective mind, its really more a matter of momentum.. so if there is a "them", "they" will eventually facilitate the very ones they try to control..

The trick is to be smarter than the average bear, kwim?

Thread: BREAKING NOW!! ACLU Files Lawsuit Challenging Constitutionality of NSA Phone Spying Program

the nsa has foot soldiers with government issued weapons.....they are not just some computers geeks....and the spying has been going on for over 40 years....nothing new here.....has to be a smokescreen

Great points!! Thank you for sharing! I'm trying to figure all this out too. Just seems odd why they're blowing this up all of a sudden when we KNEW they were doing it. Maybe not on this LEVEL but... It's possible the "techs" who I heard on talk radio and spoke about people meeting algorithm patterns were right to a certain degree. I didn't necessarily believe they ACTUALLY get court orders to pull the calls because they probably just pull them, not like they ever abide by the law. LOL Also in the field which I work, I hate pulling and listening to calls because it is so time consuming. If I absolutely positively have to pull a call, I'll do it but not without reason. Can you imagine how much manpower it would take to listen to everyone's calls who disagreed with the O Administration? LOL

Anyway, I feel like they're pushing us into something new here. Not sure why. Just a gut feeling.

here prism, add this to my no doubt bulky file

with bells on

Dont be upset about this, they are fishing against terorists!

the information about this "data suck" is nothing new, i wonder why its published and hyped now so much more.


what i dont get is:

why r they sucking data but dont do a thing against the real terrorists!

real terroristst in my opinion are these "al kaida wankers" fighting against assad in syria, real terrorists are assholes who think women are less important. I LIKE WOMEN and u for sure 2!

real terrorists are stupid assholes fighting for a story-book, wroten hundred years ago.

COME ON, GOD is real imho(There must be an entyity that formed the space around and within us), but not these so told paragraphs!

*sigh*

Interesting too, I've seen an online poll asking if this guy is a hero or a traitor. Hmmmmmm.

I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling this way, LISTEN_N. It certainly feels like we're being steered in a particular direction and it doesn't feel like a good one either. Like being led right over the edge of a cliff.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. It seems like everyone wants to know what "we, the people" think about this Snowden character. Media polls, online petitions..it seems like we're being baited. I could be wrong but it really feels that way.

I'm beginning to see the same thing.

Thank you folks! Thank you! He'll be here the rest of the week! Try the veal and be sure to tip the waitresses!

trolling the world, aw yeah

It really seems like the Government and NSA actually benefit the most from the scandal as crazy as that sounds. If they can find a way to vilify and destroy Snowden by branding him a traitor and have him tried (or worse) the spoon fed sheep will go right along with it while his supporters will be branded as political dissidents and sympathizers. Funny how 56% of Americans support the widespread surveillance! I also keep thinking about that TV Show "Person of Interest" and how it could be predictive programming getting people used to Big Brother surveillance being used for "good".

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They're probably monitoring the social media outrage to figure out who's on their side, and who isn't through all of this.

Also, it's probably a drill for damage control and the like. A lot of valuable lessons to be learned from this on both sides (us and them).