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aren't the petitions posted on whitehouse.gov started by people who want to petition the govt for changes?



in your post you make it sound like the govt started the petition against itself.
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We don't hear about anything unless we're given that privilege by TPTB. And you can call it a privilege if you call getting scripted/manufactured news a privilege.

We don't know anything, no matter how much we think we know.
And the fact that we're getting this illusion of a glimpse into the "inner-workings" of our government that people like us have been warning about for years on end just means they're showing people the trap they've fallen for.

And it very much so means that end game is in session.
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Something is not right. From Wiki we read that he survived a fall and broke both legs. He does not have credentials. I cannot understand how he had epilepsy and went into the Army...unless he had epilepsy from the fall when he broke his legs. I am not buying it.

Then the girlfriend. If we wanted a guy to leave the country and leave behind a girlfriend, we could not have picked a prettier one =- a dancer !!! Who is heartbroken....

If I were going to write a story for the tabloids..this would be it. I am not buying into this. Something just is not right.
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Not to mention the fact that the Media couldn't even get his name right. I'm right there with you on this one, AC.
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i troll the nsa all the time...so what

nsa= national satanic organization of akhenaten aka the obama word police....

second bill of rights waving losers = the nsa....

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Benghazi !!!

Seems to have just disappeared, doesn't it?

My theory is this:

Prez got cocky, higher ups set him up as a blackmail, Prez conceded and continues to push their agenda, higher ups created mass scandals as a distraction to make it disappear, using second tier organizations as the scapegoat ...

IRS, NSA, etc ... and what will come of it? A few lower level resignations to show they cleaned it up ... back to business as usual.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28689320


^^^^^

This.

What's to come of the Benghazi ordeal? Great point. Again, smoke and mirrors!
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This will probably be used for more funds or regulations or public support?
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Yep, they will use "mental illness," (a very broad term,) to justify the use and investigation of all the personal information they are recording.

Enemies of the state?

They won't want to shut down sites like this anymore, it makes easy work for them.

It could be some time off in the works but, come on... just what do you think these fascists will do with all our most intimate information and that supreme authority over us that it gives them.
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Pin this thread Anon is a CIA/NSA op.
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Lol the thread already is pinned. Who is the Operative?
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I've had that feeling this whole time too! I've been hearing people who actually work for this surveillance program in question and they say there are NO calls that are listened to. It's merely a meta-data where a computer looks to match certain algorithms. If there are peculiar patterns, they have to get a court order to pull the calls.

Why would they blow this out of proportion? So they can move us into something else, some other monitoring system, some DNA Database, or Pre-Crime program? Then blame it on our wanting privacy? Interesting to say the least.
 Quoting: Listen_n

Court order?

HA!

Even your local police don't get court orders anymore. They just call or email a request to the service provider to automatically have the official back door opened for them, and the traffic in question will then re-route through their network.

Pfft.
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If it is a setup...it's a setup against federal employees. Not the people.
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maybe there really is in-fighting between factions at the top
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Yep, they will use "mental illness," (a very broad term,) to justify the use and investigation of all the personal information they are recording.

Enemies of the state?

They won't want to shut down sites like this anymore, it makes easy work for them.

It could be some time off in the works but, come on... just what do you think these fascists will do with all our most intimate information and that supreme authority over us that it gives them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26096947


I've been thinking this for a long time. It's be pretty easy to lump distrust in government and authority figures into the "mental illness" category. Reminds me of how after the Sandy Hook incident the MSM went about vilifying any critical thinker as "crazy and mentally I'll".
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I would not get involved in any movements against the NSA, and give away my information.

However, that does not discredit the fact that Mr. Snowden came forward and verified to the public what we already knew. I don't see how this could be a psyop. Why would the government willingly reveal their spy program to the public when they know the reaction they will receive from the public?
 Quoting: Dr. Manhattan


Because the public are already conditioned to accept it. I have a feeling that all those staged terror attacks are related to this controlled release. Everyone was concerned about loosing their guns, but instead have lost something more important. Can you feel the outrage!? Me neither!

It seems the government and the general public are the paranoid types after all. They need an intervening god who can make them safe. Even if it means trusting people who they have no knowledge of, who will use all means necessary to get what they want.

If you are in a nightmare, pray for sleep paralysis.

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I'm not yet convinced that it's a tarp. Some of the things make sense others don't.

If they are already collecting emails, facebook and phone calls/records they already have a good picture of possible dissidents. Why do they need this scandal? To dump Obama? Or to create yet another false flag and blame conservatives? If this is the case then they are failing as the public is not engaging very much.

What is happening is that a few people are waking up to the abuse of power of both parties.
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If it is a setup...it's a setup against federal employees. Not the people.
 Quoting: Chip


maybe there really is in-fighting between factions at the top
 Quoting: SteamrolledGobias


Hey Gobias! Thanks for showing up! And it definitely would appear that way. A little coup d'etat anyone?
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As much as I enjoy rooting for the underdog and clinging to what little shred of hope is still available, I'm starting to feel very uneasy about this whole E.J Snowden / PRISM / NSA mess. We all have known that the NSA has been monitoring and recording pretty much everything that everyone does online and wiretapping phones and reading texts and emails since G.W. Anonymous was the first ones to release the leaked PRISM documents and aren't they just a CIA/DoJ/DoD front OP? Then the whole crap about the mysterious changing name of one MR. Snowden? Is it Eric? Is it Edward? Did he exist at all? This whole scandal has led to an uproar all over the web where people seem to just not shut up about it. Yes, I agree it's an outrage but I feel like people are just playing right into the hands of the enemy like sheep being led to the slaughter. Whitehouse.gov starts a petition to have the investigation dropped and Edward Snowden recognized as an American Hero and the conspiritards rush to sign it and give their personal information to the Government in defense of someone they deem a traitor? Hmm seems legit! Now this "Troll The NSA" campaign? I wonder if being a threat to the NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY is the same as being a threat to NATIONAL SECURITY? This whole thing stinks to high heaven and I'm just not buying it. Any thoughts?
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Well, it's the biggest intelligence scandal in history. As far as terrorism goes, I'm certain there are jihadists hell bent on bombing the USA, even nuking us.

With that in mind, where is the balance? I don't know.

Is this guy a hero? Again. I'm not certain. It seems his intentions were ideological in nature and socialist in action. Just look at where he is seeking asylum.
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He exists. I went to school with him growing up. But I could also be a shill, so who knows rockon
 Quoting: Senhor Testiculo


Did you graduate?
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If it is a setup...it's a setup against federal employees. Not the people.
 Quoting: Chip


At first, your statement sounded odd, but the more you think about it...there could be some descent within the gov't. Within the ranks of TPTB.

There are threads calling out this whistleblower as a fake and finding bits of info on him, that support the claim. I'm still up in the air about it, but I find it odd that he supposedly disappeared to China and now wants to go to Iceland. Why not go there in the first place?

Lots of questions to be asked, that's for sure.
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If it is a setup...it's a setup against federal employees. Not the people.
 Quoting: Chip


maybe there really is in-fighting between factions at the top
 Quoting: SteamrolledGobias


There are two main factions. You can call one of the Illuminati. Or you can also call them the Sons of Belial.

The other faction is the White Brotherhood and the Law of One.

But there are splinter groups and blended factions as well, they are just very small. And of course, some individuals change sides ...
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the sooner we're in the camps, the better. If we need to petition for anything, it should be for high speed Internet access and Netflix in ALL camps.

disclose everything, lock us all up, let us enjoy Netflix on our 6 minute lunch breaks and kill us.

I'm ready.
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If it is a setup...it's a setup against federal employees. Not the people.
 Quoting: Chip


At first, your statement sounded odd, but the more you think about it...there could be some descent within the gov't. Within the ranks of TPTB.

There are threads calling out this whistleblower as a fake and finding bits of info on him, that support the claim. I'm still up in the air about it, but I find it odd that he supposedly disappeared to China and now wants to go to Iceland. Why not go there in the first place?

Lots of questions to be asked, that's for sure.
 Quoting: Gypsy Priest


Yeah this would be the most plausible in my mind. Whistle blowers are now deemed to be a national security risk.
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Reminds me of Bradley Manning.
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Who the fuck is Snowden?
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If it is a setup...it's a setup against federal employees. Not the people.
 Quoting: Chip


maybe there really is in-fighting between factions at the top
 Quoting: SteamrolledGobias


There are two main factions. You can call one of the Illuminati. Or you can also call them the Sons of Belial.

The other faction is the White Brotherhood and the Law of One.

But there are splinter groups and blended factions as well, they are just very small. And of course, some individuals change sides ...
 Quoting: tandym


Not sure if I agree with everything that you said, but your last sentence is what I believe is happening.
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I've known about the current monitoring system for at least a decade. I was listening to a radio talk show while on a long drive one afternoon, and a fellow who worked with the North American monitoring of telephone conversations was talking about how certain words were 'picked up' by their computer scans which would flag the call.

One story he cited was the case of a mother whose son had just finished his first performance in his school play. During a telephone conversation she was having with her friend, she stated 3 times during the call that her son had 'bombed' and how upset her son was. The call was flagged then reviewed, but despite being benign in nature, the woman's name was henceforth on their automatic watch list and could not be removed.

If the interviewers story is to be believed, President Obama is correct in his statement whereby he said that nobody was listening to their telephone calls and I for one, agree with this type of monitoring. And let's face it. How could any country honestly listen to every telephone call made within its borders? The task is much too enormous to be effective.
 Quoting: curiouslyinterested


I seem to agree with you for the most part. The thing is what happens when people like that mother that got put on the list for saying her son "bombed" his performance gets rounded up and taken to a FEMA Camp? You would think that such an elaborate program like PRISM could differentiate between accidental or benign uses of trigger words and actual relevant threats wouldn't it? But I also don't think "trolling the NSA' or acting like a goof is going to solve anything eit
 Quoting: :.:


So then, based on your thought stream... A whole generation of "you're the bomb dude" talkers are on the rolls?
I believe to my core the system is "smarter" than that!
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Is it PRISM or PRISON? I think I'll stay out of this fight.
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If it is a setup...it's a setup against federal employees. Not the people.
 Quoting: Chip


At first, your statement sounded odd, but the more you think about it...there could be some descent within the gov't. Within the ranks of TPTB.

There are threads calling out this whistleblower as a fake and finding bits of info on him, that support the claim. I'm still up in the air about it, but I find it odd that he supposedly disappeared to China and now wants to go to Iceland. Why not go there in the first place?

Lots of questions to be asked, that's for sure.
 Quoting: Gypsy Priest


How do you think his supporters would react if Snowden wound up getting taken out? I mean there's a ton of speculation and theories to mull over but it seems like if this scandal generated an outcry of support for Snowden and then he turned up "heart attacked" or "suicides" then people would be outraged. Could that be where this is heading?
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I would not get involved in any movements against the NSA, and give away my information.

However, that does not discredit the fact that Mr. Snowden came forward and verified to the public what we already knew. I don't see how this could be a psyop. Why would the government willingly reveal their spy program to the public when they know the reaction they will receive from the public?
 Quoting: Dr. Manhattan


I would not get involved in any movements against the NSA, and give away my information.

However, that does not discredit the fact that Mr. Snowden came forward and verified to the public what we already knew. I don't see how this could be a psyop. Why would the government willingly reveal their spy program to the public when they know the reaction they will receive from the public?
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The US Political Elite can't let this go, because it will influence others to do the same. Even the NSA needs servants to do the bidding of the intelligence elite, like the Police and Military. They never know when they're hiring someone with a conscience...so the best thing to do is make an example of someone (to scare the herd into compliance) - Mr Snowden will be extradited and his life destroyed. At a higher level I think his a patsy. A lamb to the slaughter for online Corporate interests. The MSM will drive his undoing. I think Mr Snowden will be put to death in a very public way.
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If it is a setup...it's a setup against federal employees. Not the people.
 Quoting: Chip


maybe there really is in-fighting between factions at the top
 Quoting: SteamrolledGobias


There are two main factions. You can call one of the Illuminati. Or you can also call them the Sons of Belial.

The other faction is the White Brotherhood and the Law of One.

But there are splinter groups and blended factions as well, they are just very small. And of course, some individuals change sides ...
 Quoting: tandym


Not sure if I agree with everything that you said, but your last sentence is what I believe is happening.
 Quoting: Gypsy Priest


Yeah I know, its weird. Its my own blend of Cacey-ism meets Illuminati-ism meets Annunaki-ism meets NWO / US politics.

Its both bigger than all of us and more granular at the same time. I definitely think that there could be some 'white-hat' going on, and of course how else would they release it over the wires but by using the black-hat's networks? I mean, what other way is there if black-hats control all MSM?

There's some devilish satisfaction to be had from using a group's invention against them as a weapon.
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He exists. I went to school with him growing up. But I could also be a shill, so who knows rockon
 Quoting: Senhor Testiculo


Did you graduate?
 Quoting: tandym



yea i graduated. I was a year ahead of him. He dropped out in 10th grade. Grew up down the street from him, went to elementary and middle school with him, and then part of high school until he dropped out.

Never heard from him again after he dropped out. He was always pretty quiet.
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