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Christians, please help me. :(

 
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Hey OP stick in there don't let anyone else tell you what God wants from you or what God is doing to you

as i said before

right now, just have faith that God really does love you

everything else will progress forward...

don't worry about what these people say

i don't expect you to go to a homeless shelter and feed the poor right now unless thats something you felt like doing but don't do it because others say to do it
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Don't listen to this false teacher, he contradicts the word of God.
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Okay

im a false teacher

yet.. i connect with the OP .

hush
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Yes you are. Now shut that lying tongue up and stop leading him astray.
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Hey OP stick in there don't let anyone else tell you what God wants from you or what God is doing to you

as i said before

right now, just have faith that God really does love you

everything else will progress forward...

don't worry about what these people say

i don't expect you to go to a homeless shelter and feed the poor right now unless thats something you felt like doing but don't do it because others say to do it
etc
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36427522


Don't listen to this false teacher, he contradicts the word of God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41294082


Okay

im a false teacher

yet.. i connect with the OP .

hush
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Yes you are. Now shut that lying tongue up and stop leading him astray.
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you sir are an example of a religious person who thinks they know it all

but are in fact clueless.

OP.. see how the devil works? just re-read this entire thread.

you know what you felt when we first started talking

have a nice day OP

you have my email if you would like to chat in future

hfhf
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the first is the best
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its funny to me this guy in ireland is telling me I'm a lukewarm apostate

he doesn't even know me

but because i said stick to the 4 gospels i get ridiculed?

when jesus himself spoke of FAITH

ugh, people, so stupid. like i said, I'm out. email me if you need.

god bless

your in my prayers
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Also OP

don't worry about the chapter of revelations. I noticed some quotes from it here.

so many people are caught up in that today

it blows my mind

stick to the 4 gospels and let jesus teach you himself

i cant tell you how many people think the catholic church is the beast and thats just funny to me..

but whatever

like i said, 99% of people are clueless
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lol what a disgrace you are. You pick and choose what to believe and reject the Apostle John whom Jesus gave Authority to and referred to as his beloved apostle. You have been rebuked for your lies and deceptions and will have zero excuse on your day of judgement.
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Don't listen to this false teacher, he contradicts the word of God.
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Okay

im a false teacher

yet.. i connect with the OP .

hush
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Yes you are. Now shut that lying tongue up and stop leading him astray.
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you sir are an example of a religious person who thinks they know it all

but are in fact clueless.

OP.. see how the devil works? just re-read this entire thread.

you know what you felt when we first started talking

have a nice day OP

you have my email if you would like to chat in future

hfhf
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lol what a hypocrite. I know the bible very well, I bet you haven't even read it. You are a disgrace. A lawless goat. Repent or burn, your choice.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8


How rich.
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its funny to me this guy in ireland is telling me I'm a lukewarm apostate

he doesn't even know me

but because i said stick to the 4 gospels i get ridiculed?

when jesus himself spoke of FAITH

ugh, people, so stupid. like i said, I'm out. email me if you need.

god bless

your in my prayers
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I have read what you have written on this thread, I know you very well, you are a dime a dozen. You don't know the Father or the Son. You reject an inspired Apostle. Jesus spoke of workers of lawlessness too and said they ain't getting into the kingdom of God, that refers to your kind.
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Please pray for me, GLP. I was once a firm believer in Christ but several months ago something happened and I gave up my faith. I became consumed with a burning hatred towards God and anything related to Christianity or religion period. I ripped up every religious book I owned including several bibles and a Tanakh, burned pictures of my baptism and baptism certificates and broke crosses and statues in an attempt to eradicate God and Christ from my life.

It can't just be a coincidence that after that happened my life completely fell apart. I lost my job, my landlord sold my family's house that we were renting to own right out from under us forcing my aunt, mom, little brother and myself to move into a very small travel trailer. My mental health is rapidly deteriorating and I'm depressed, scared, agitated and paranoid all the time. I've become a jealous monster and have started to push my girlfriend away with my insecurities.

It seems like nothing but bad things have happened since I turned away from my faith. I'd wandered from the faith plenty of times and explored other religions and schools of thought but never have I left with such violence and hatred in my heart. Now I can't even pick up a bible or hear a Christian song on the radio without getting furious and quickly pushing the book away or turning the song off and anytime I hear someone pray I start getting blasphemous thoughts in my head and start shouting obscenities to God in my thoughts to drown out the sound of the prayer. I feel like I'm doomed.

Am I beyond forgiveness? Have I opened the door to a demon? Please pray for me, for my family and for my girlfriend.
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You can start by not lying. You're posting for someone else. Tell that person to get on anti-depressants, and post here on their own accord.
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How would you know that he's talking about someone else
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Did you doubt that Jesus is the Lord, or did you just become angry with him? If you had doubts, here are a couple links to prophecies that show without doubt that Jesus truly is the Lord. Remember nothing is impossible with God... Repent in Jesus name and turn away from your sins and I have no doubts you will be forgiven. The only other advice I can give is to pray and pray a lot. Good luck my friend :)

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Matthew 5:17-20

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17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


This is from the gospel of Matthew false teacher. You are headed straight for the lake of fire.
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Also OP

don't worry about the chapter of revelations. I noticed some quotes from it here.

so many people are caught up in that today

it blows my mind

stick to the 4 gospels and let jesus teach you himself

i cant tell you how many people think the catholic church is the beast and thats just funny to me..

but whatever

like i said, 99% of people are clueless
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36427522


lol what a disgrace you are. You pick and choose what to believe and reject the Apostle John whom Jesus gave Authority to and referred to as his beloved apostle. You have been rebuked for your lies and deceptions and will have zero excuse on your day of judgement.
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im so scared considering jesus talks to me daily

maybe your the one who needs to be worried?
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Please pray for me, GLP. I was once a firm believer in Christ but several months ago something happened and I gave up my faith. I became consumed with a burning hatred towards God and anything related to Christianity or religion period. I ripped up every religious book I owned including several bibles and a Tanakh, burned pictures of my baptism and baptism certificates and broke crosses and statues in an attempt to eradicate God and Christ from my life.

It can't just be a coincidence that after that happened my life completely fell apart. I lost my job, my landlord sold my family's house that we were renting to own right out from under us forcing my aunt, mom, little brother and myself to move into a very small travel trailer. My mental health is rapidly deteriorating and I'm depressed, scared, agitated and paranoid all the time. I've become a jealous monster and have started to push my girlfriend away with my insecurities.

It seems like nothing but bad things have happened since I turned away from my faith. I'd wandered from the faith plenty of times and explored other religions and schools of thought but never have I left with such violence and hatred in my heart. Now I can't even pick up a bible or hear a Christian song on the radio without getting furious and quickly pushing the book away or turning the song off and anytime I hear someone pray I start getting blasphemous thoughts in my head and start shouting obscenities to God in my thoughts to drown out the sound of the prayer. I feel like I'm doomed.

Am I beyond forgiveness? Have I opened the door to a demon? Please pray for me, for my family and for my girlfriend.
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I'm a christian, so what I'm about to say may sound weird. But you sound like a complete ass. You just pointed out all your flaws & you still cant figure out how to change your life around. And whats worse is you BLAME god! You basically summed up yourself as being full of hate, & you wonder why your life is crap. All people who renounce Yahweh's laws are doomed to re-incarnate on earth over & over until the selfishness & hate are all burned out. It sounds like something horrible happened in your life that you blame God for. Ever considered that maybe it was caused by Satan or even human error.
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This comes from the gospel of Matthew and Jesus said it himself. So you are anti-Christ to reject it. Repent!

Matthew 7:21-23


21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
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Okay

im a false teacher

yet.. i connect with the OP .

hush
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Yes you are. Now shut that lying tongue up and stop leading him astray.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41294082


you sir are an example of a religious person who thinks they know it all

but are in fact clueless.

OP.. see how the devil works? just re-read this entire thread.

you know what you felt when we first started talking

have a nice day OP

you have my email if you would like to chat in future

hfhf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36427522


lol what a hypocrite. I know the bible very well, I bet you haven't even read it. You are a disgrace. A lawless goat. Repent or burn, your choice.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8


How rich.
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It doesnt even make sense, how can a Christian live without works? We are saved by grace not works. But, works are necessary as we become a Christian. We change our ways with
the help of our Lord.
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Also OP

don't worry about the chapter of revelations. I noticed some quotes from it here.

so many people are caught up in that today

it blows my mind

stick to the 4 gospels and let jesus teach you himself

i cant tell you how many people think the catholic church is the beast and thats just funny to me..

but whatever

like i said, 99% of people are clueless
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36427522


lol what a disgrace you are. You pick and choose what to believe and reject the Apostle John whom Jesus gave Authority to and referred to as his beloved apostle. You have been rebuked for your lies and deceptions and will have zero excuse on your day of judgement.
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im so scared considering jesus talks to me daily

maybe your the one who needs to be worried?
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To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isaiah 8:20

He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4


No, I repent. I'm fully justified.
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Please pray for me, GLP. I was once a firm believer in Christ but several months ago something happened and I gave up my faith. I became consumed with a burning hatred towards God and anything related to Christianity or religion period. I ripped up every religious book I owned including several bibles and a Tanakh, burned pictures of my baptism and baptism certificates and broke crosses and statues in an attempt to eradicate God and Christ from my life.

It can't just be a coincidence that after that happened my life completely fell apart. I lost my job, my landlord sold my family's house that we were renting to own right out from under us forcing my aunt, mom, little brother and myself to move into a very small travel trailer. My mental health is rapidly deteriorating and I'm depressed, scared, agitated and paranoid all the time. I've become a jealous monster and have started to push my girlfriend away with my insecurities.

It seems like nothing but bad things have happened since I turned away from my faith. I'd wandered from the faith plenty of times and explored other religions and schools of thought but never have I left with such violence and hatred in my heart. Now I can't even pick up a bible or hear a Christian song on the radio without getting furious and quickly pushing the book away or turning the song off and anytime I hear someone pray I start getting blasphemous thoughts in my head and start shouting obscenities to God in my thoughts to drown out the sound of the prayer. I feel like I'm doomed.

Am I beyond forgiveness? Have I opened the door to a demon? Please pray for me, for my family and for my girlfriend.
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Back on christiantard Prozac with you, you'll be fine.
Seriously, let go of religion and go inside your heart.
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Go to church where its quiet and pray the Rosary. You will see your life turn around. The Blessed Mother is the mother of us all and loves us dearly. She will intercede for you, Jesus always listens to his mother.
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Yes you are. Now shut that lying tongue up and stop leading him astray.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41294082


you sir are an example of a religious person who thinks they know it all

but are in fact clueless.

OP.. see how the devil works? just re-read this entire thread.

you know what you felt when we first started talking

have a nice day OP

you have my email if you would like to chat in future

hfhf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36427522


lol what a hypocrite. I know the bible very well, I bet you haven't even read it. You are a disgrace. A lawless goat. Repent or burn, your choice.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8


How rich.
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It doesnt even make sense, how can a Christian live without works? We are saved by grace not works. But, works are necessary as we become a Christian. We change our ways with
the help of our Lord.
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Yep. We have the keep the Commandments. Also, if we saved by grace, then why does Jesus say this, why don't these get grace?

Matthew 7:21-23


21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
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Go to church where its quiet and pray the Rosary. You will see your life turn around. The Blessed Mother is the mother of us all and loves us dearly. She will intercede for you, Jesus always listens to his mother.
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No, Mary is dead awaiting resurrection like everyone else. That is Idolatry and God hates it.
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Hey OP me again, I'm ignoring these other hateful "christians"

notice how this went from a nice supportive thread to a scriptural debate..

and even then the scripture they use is weak and doesn't prove anything about faith without works is dead regardless of that fact...

there are those of us here who do care and don't just want to prove we know more bible verses then others

Try to stay positive!!

just have faith that jesus loves you dearly..and leave the rest up to god
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Go to church where its quiet and pray the Rosary. You will see your life turn around. The Blessed Mother is the mother of us all and loves us dearly. She will intercede for you, Jesus always listens to his mother.
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No, Mary is dead awaiting resurrection like everyone else. That is Idolatry and God hates it.
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jesus guarantees eternal life...

mother mary is very much alive
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NEVER IN THE 4 GOSPELS DOES IT EVER SAY FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD

it never says that

ever

it says it in james, which is a letter. not the gospel of jesus christ

thats all i go by, is the 4 gospels

sorry.
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So profess to believe in Jesus and yet do whatever the hell you want?
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Go to church where its quiet and pray the Rosary. You will see your life turn around. The Blessed Mother is the mother of us all and loves us dearly. She will intercede for you, Jesus always listens to his mother.
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No, Mary is dead awaiting resurrection like everyone else. That is Idolatry and God hates it.
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I agree.
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OP, it is during the darkest moments of our lives where we question God, but it is also during those times that we can find Him again. The spirit within you may become stifled, it may grow weary and hopeless, but it is always there to remind you who loves you. A Father's love is endless, as is God's - and with that love, you experience forgiveness. God sees our sins as opportunities for us to grow, because they teach us what we would not have learned otherwise. We are supposed to fall down, we are supposed to fail and experience defeat - but we are also expected to rise again to learn from our mistakes and grow to be a better person. You have the potential to overcome this, if you didn't - you would not be where you are now. God bless you, OP :-)
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Please pray for me, GLP. I was once a firm believer in Christ but several months ago something happened and I gave up my faith. I became consumed with a burning hatred towards God and anything related to Christianity or religion period. I ripped up every religious book I owned including several bibles and a Tanakh, burned pictures of my baptism and baptism certificates and broke crosses and statues in an attempt to eradicate God and Christ from my life.

It can't just be a coincidence that after that happened my life completely fell apart. I lost my job, my landlord sold my family's house that we were renting to own right out from under us forcing my aunt, mom, little brother and myself to move into a very small travel trailer. My mental health is rapidly deteriorating and I'm depressed, scared, agitated and paranoid all the time. I've become a jealous monster and have started to push my girlfriend away with my insecurities.

It seems like nothing but bad things have happened since I turned away from my faith. I'd wandered from the faith plenty of times and explored other religions and schools of thought but never have I left with such violence and hatred in my heart. Now I can't even pick up a bible or hear a Christian song on the radio without getting furious and quickly pushing the book away or turning the song off and anytime I hear someone pray I start getting blasphemous thoughts in my head and start shouting obscenities to God in my thoughts to drown out the sound of the prayer. I feel like I'm doomed.

Am I beyond forgiveness? Have I opened the door to a demon? Please pray for me, for my family and for my girlfriend.
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I'm a christian, so what I'm about to say may sound weird. But you sound like a complete ass. You just pointed out all your flaws & you still cant figure out how to change your life around. And whats worse is you BLAME god! You basically summed up yourself as being full of hate, & you wonder why your life is crap. All people who renounce Yahweh's laws are doomed to re-incarnate on earth over & over until the selfishness & hate are all burned out. It sounds like something horrible happened in your life that you blame God for. Ever considered that maybe it was caused by Satan or even human error.
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NEVER IN THE 4 GOSPELS DOES IT EVER SAY FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD

it never says that

ever

it says it in james, which is a letter. not the gospel of jesus christ

thats all i go by, is the 4 gospels

sorry.
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So profess to believe in Jesus and yet do whatever the hell you want?
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No, jesus will lead you to what he wants you to do...

doesn't mean you have to do what every other christian does

its a personal relationship between JESUS and YOU. no one else
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You can start by not lying. You're posting for someone else. Tell that person to get on anti-depressants, and post here on their own accord.
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Step 4) Ignore all Canadians, they're tards and trolls of the lowest order.

hf
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Most, most Canadians.
Canadian ACs, I should have said.

hf
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hf
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Ask God to forgive all your sins

Forgive all others

Invite Jesus into your life and tell him you will serve him

Read at least some Bible every day and pray every day

Always try to act as close to what Jesus would do in any situation

When you mess up ask forgiveness ant tell God to keep making you closer to him
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Also OP

don't worry about the chapter of revelations. I noticed some quotes from it here.

so many people are caught up in that today

it blows my mind

stick to the 4 gospels and let jesus teach you himself

i cant tell you how many people think the catholic church is the beast and thats just funny to me..

but whatever

like i said, 99% of people are clueless
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No..but I think it might be at least part of the whore of Babylon that the beast and his fellow kings destroy.

If the antichrist system is the new age/alien deception as I personally believe,then they will be a big nuisance to the new age messiah that wants to do away with all old religious systems and proclaim himself God.

and the beast is both a system and actual person I think.People can go on about it being mere symbology of the final kingdom,but both Daniel and Paul made it very clear that the 'prince that is to come/man of sin' will be an actual person.





GLP