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Kind of a sensationalist title, but if this doesn't show how easy it would be for them to spray chemicals, I don't know what will...
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What would a snake plant in his garden?
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I have no idea...

I only play one on the interwebs...

chuckle
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I hope that I didn't embarrass George B. kidding with him ...ohno

Do you get embarrassed easily Snake Airlines?

Sorry op , I know this is your chemtrail thread, I'm just so excited to see Snake.
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Kind of a sensationalist title, but if this doesn't show how easy it would be for them to spray chemicals, I don't know what will...
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i find it so very hard to understand how so many people can believe in God, angels, ufos etc (each to their own) with no proof to back it up ...yet are not open to the ideas and theories that others have.....just because its different to their own

proof you say...
yes you can prove contrails
but you can NOT prove that every last one is a contrail....all myself and many others are saying is that we do not believe that they are only contrails...and that some of them are something else

prove it you say
well how pray tell should we do that if like many of us believe it is something the gov is doing in SECRET

Adjective
Not known or seen or not meant to be known or seen by others: "a secret plan".

Noun
Something that is kept or meant to be kept unknown or unseen by others: "a state secret".

Synonyms

adjective. hidden - occult - privy - private - clandestine
noun. mystery - secrecy - arcanum - confidence

just because we cant prove them doesnt mean they dont exist

(abit like god or aliens)
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I don't believe in any if those things.

the onus isn't on me to prove all the trails are contrails, the onus is in you to prove a single one isnt

it's not up to me to determine how you will prove your claim. that's your problem.

you can claim it's a "secret" all you want...but that just adds to the evidence that the whole chemtrails thing is paranoid nonsense created by anti_government whiners.


you don't need to prove they exist, you just need to prove a single trail labeled as a chemtrail isn't just a contrail. so far, that has never happened.
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works both ways....prove to me that your contrail is just a contrail....how do you kow thats all it is other than that is what you believe it is
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it already is simply airplane exhaust

without any credible evidence, something not a single chemmie has ever provided...other than bullshit youtube vids...the burden of proof is on the source making the accusation

always has been, always will be

until you and your ilk do you'd fail in legal court AND scientific court

eyeball tests my ass
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The Manhattan-Rochester Coalition, research on the health effects of radioactive materials, and tests on vulnerable populations without consent in St. Louis, 1945--1970
[link to gradworks.umi.com]
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Hi George B, nice to see you too...smile_kiss blwkss
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Still thinking about Texas?
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Are you still married? hiding2
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Yes . . . 34 years this July!! . . . ohno
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That's wonderful. hf I was with my husband for 31 years before he passed away. June 12 was our special day.
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The Manhattan-Rochester Coalition, research on the health effects of radioactive materials, and tests on vulnerable populations without consent in St. Louis, 1945--1970
[link to gradworks.umi.com]
 Quoting: InfiniteSpiral


not related

provide direct credible evidence or bugger off
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Okay, how is it that one jet is leaving behind a normal contrail that dissipates almost immediately after it is left, and the trail that was left earlier is instead slowly spreading out into a cloud/haze?

Because one jet is at a different altitude and hence flying through different ambient conditions than the other...It also may have to do with the age and efficiency of the engines...Newer more efficient engines produce more water vapor, and compress more air laden with moisture than older/dirtier engines...

[link to DON'T_USE_THIS.com]

I've witnessed this myself many times, most recently today as a matter of fact. Today it's a hot sunny day with a blue sky, except there is a faint, but certainly visible white haze to the sky.

'Haze' is simply moisture in the air (though it can indeed be caused by smoke from fires, dust, etc.)...The more humid, the air is, the more haze...

It is especially evident in areas next to non-dissipating contrails, or chemtrails that some jets leave, while others leave contrails that quickly dissipate and leave no haze.

Not all planes fly at the same altitude...The atmosphere is not static to space...The higher you go, the colder and drier it gets (to an extent)...I've actually had people tell me that there is no way a contrail could possibly form because it was 90º at their house that day...I usually ask at that point if they believe that they can climb Mount Everest in a t-shirt and shorts because it is 75º at base-camp that day...
 Quoting: InfiniteSpiral

"Hold my cat while I bring in my tomato plant. That chemtrail looks like an earthquake chemtrail"

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What would a snake plant in his garden?
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I have no idea...

I only play one on the interwebs...

chuckle
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I hope that I didn't embarrass George B. kidding with him ...ohno

Do you get embarrassed easily Snake Airlines?

Sorry op , I know this is your chemtrail thread, I'm just so excited to see Snake.
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Jorge is a big boy...

And no...I don't embarrass easily...
"Hold my cat while I bring in my tomato plant. That chemtrail looks like an earthquake chemtrail"

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I have personally witnessed a jet in Florida, at low altitude (approx 5k feet) coming in off the ocean at about 3:30 AM turning its chemicals on and off. I could hear the spray turning on and off. It was that low. Sky was clear and it was a full moon. Visibility was perfect.

At that altitude, especially over tropical south Florida, there is no such thing as a contrail. Especially one that turned off and on 3 times as it emptied some type of tank.

I work in the maritime industry as a licensed deck officer. I get paid very good money for, among other things, my visual perception and judgement of speeds,distances, and climatological variances. I also have a minor in meterology. I get tested by the Fed yearly to meet certain qualifications regarding these skills.

I also live near an approach for the West Palm airport. I have watched jets regularly make their approaches for years. From my loacation, I have never seen a jet this low. Not one time. This jet was not dumping fuel. There was about a 25 knot wind aloft and whatever they sprayed turned into a cloud stream. Aviation fuel would have dropped to the ground, not turned into a white cloud that drifted downwind for miles.

People can shill all they want. I know exactly what I saw. PLUS, I had an aviation tracker on my phone at the time. This particular tracker operates about 3 to 5 minutes delayed. I suppose for security reasons. I tapped the icon on my iPhone and waited for it. Meanwhile I could still see the jet heading inland. I looked for the signature for about 20 minutes and it never showed. I could see all the other jets coming and going from WPB and Miami. This one was immune to tracking.

Since there is no such thing as a coincidence, I can only presume that this was certainly NOT a commercial flight. On top of that I clearly witnessed this full size jet obviously spraying some type of aerosol into the sky from nozzles on each wing. These were NOT emissions from a jet turbine engine. Also, the jet was only doing about 200 MPH.

I for one do not need to speculate on chemtrails. I have enough knowledge and life experience to know exactly what it was that I witnessed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41076883


Thank you for your observation! Even the circlejerk of shill/trolls have no reasonable argument for this guys statement.

clappa

And thank you OP for continuing the discussion with great logic!

The burden of proof is on the contards, (nice label BTW!), not the other way around.
Their only argument is "don't believe your lying eyes"....
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My wife thought the whole idea was off too... until she started paying attention and observing for herself.
 Quoting: GFX guy


so, you are actually suggesting that the chemtards have no obligation to prove the trails are full of aluminum and barium as they claim? it's just to be believed because chemtards say so?

that is just plain stupid.

good thing for the world that chemtards are within the known lunatic fringe of society..and that's where they will stay. forever
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The science is in... Try doing some research. Rain & soil tests from all over are continuing to confirm these claims.
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Okay, how is it that one jet is leaving behind a normal contrail that dissipates almost immediately after it is left, and the trail that was left earlier is instead slowly spreading out into a cloud/haze?

Because one jet is at a different altitude and hence flying through different ambient conditions than the other...It also may have to do with the age and efficiency of the engines...Newer more efficient engines produce more water vapor, and compress more air laden with moisture than older/dirtier engines...

[link to DON'T_USE_THIS.com]

I've witnessed this myself many times, most recently today as a matter of fact. Today it's a hot sunny day with a blue sky, except there is a faint, but certainly visible white haze to the sky.

'Haze' is simply moisture in the air (though it can indeed be caused by smoke from fires, dust, etc.)...The more humid, the air is, the more haze...

It is especially evident in areas next to non-dissipating contrails, or chemtrails that some jets leave, while others leave contrails that quickly dissipate and leave no haze.

Not all planes fly at the same altitude...The atmosphere is not static to space...The higher you go, the colder and drier it gets (to an extent)...I've actually had people tell me that there is no way a contrail could possibly form because it was 90º at their house that day...I usually ask at that point if they believe that they can climb Mount Everest in a t-shirt and shorts because it is 75º at base-camp that day...
 Quoting: InfiniteSpiral

 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


"I usually ask at that point if they believe that they can climb Mount Everest in a t-shirt and shorts because it is 75º at base-camp that day."

good analogy
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Still thinking about Texas?
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Are you still married? hiding2
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Yes . . . 34 years this July!! . . . ohno
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That's wonderful. hf I was with my husband for 31 years before he passed away. June 12 was our special day.
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Well I can't speak for others, but I'm not saying to just trust me because "I know what I see", I'm saying to look at the evidence others have presented that there is something other than normal contrails being produced by certain jets and planes.
 Quoting: InfiniteSpiral


I have looked at the alleged "evidence" (and I use that term loosely) for years now...

So far no one has come up with anything remotely resembling 'evidence' other than "I know what I see"...
"Hold my cat while I bring in my tomato plant. That chemtrail looks like an earthquake chemtrail"

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Well I can't speak for others, but I'm not saying to just trust me because "I know what I see", I'm saying to look at the evidence others have presented that there is something other than normal contrails being produced by certain jets and planes.
 Quoting: InfiniteSpiral


I have looked at the alleged "evidence" (and I use that term loosely) for years now...

So far no one has come up with anything remotely resembling 'evidence' other than "I know what I see"...
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Are you alright Snake . . . that is more words in one Post than you usually use all year!applause2
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The Manhattan-Rochester Coalition, research on the health effects of radioactive materials, and tests on vulnerable populations without consent in St. Louis, 1945--1970
[link to gradworks.umi.com]
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Which has what exactly to do with planes flying at 30,000+ in the air?
"Hold my cat while I bring in my tomato plant. That chemtrail looks like an earthquake chemtrail"

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The science is in... Try doing some research. Rain & soil tests from all over are continuing to confirm these claims.
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sigh
"Hold my cat while I bring in my tomato plant. That chemtrail looks like an earthquake chemtrail"

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Okay, how is it that one jet is leaving behind a normal contrail that dissipates almost immediately after it is left, and the trail that was left earlier is instead slowly spreading out into a cloud/haze?

Because one jet is at a different altitude and hence flying through different ambient conditions than the other...It also may have to do with the age and efficiency of the engines...Newer more efficient engines produce more water vapor, and compress more air laden with moisture than older/dirtier engines...

[link to DON'T_USE_THIS.com]

I've witnessed this myself many times, most recently today as a matter of fact. Today it's a hot sunny day with a blue sky, except there is a faint, but certainly visible white haze to the sky.

'Haze' is simply moisture in the air (though it can indeed be caused by smoke from fires, dust, etc.)...The more humid, the air is, the more haze...

It is especially evident in areas next to non-dissipating contrails, or chemtrails that some jets leave, while others leave contrails that quickly dissipate and leave no haze.

Not all planes fly at the same altitude...The atmosphere is not static to space...The higher you go, the colder and drier it gets (to an extent)...I've actually had people tell me that there is no way a contrail could possibly form because it was 90º at their house that day...I usually ask at that point if they believe that they can climb Mount Everest in a t-shirt and shorts because it is 75º at base-camp that day...
 Quoting: InfiniteSpiral

 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


I am aware that not all planes fly at the same altitude, and how cold it is at high altitudes and the way water vapour behaves at them. I never said all contrails are chemtrails.
What confounds me are the ones that seem to be at the same altitude, but behave differently. This person seems to have done some quite extensive research into it.

His summary:

"The goal of this research was to determine if there was a type of trail that was inconsistent with normal contrails, especially with regard to increased persistence. What was found is that highly persistent trails that last for many hours were seen above Houston, TX on a majority (60%) of observable days during the data collection period. However during this time period none of the 46 Flight Explorer confirmed contrails observed persisted for over 30 minutes and most contrails were under 30 seconds of persistence. Additionally it was discovered that the jets that were responsible for leaving highly persistent trails that last for hours did not ever appear on Flight Explorer and were documented for 8 separate instances, including one instance with two jets in formation. These unidentifiable jets were found to produce a contrail that was consistent with confirmed contrails during the periods when they weren't leaving highly persistent trails. Highly persistent trails are often seen in the form of isolated relatively short strips, as well as large areas of cirrus aviaticus clouds, but on rare occasions have been seen in totally unique grid and wheel formations.

It is hoped that others will endeavor to repeat these observations and publish their results. By repeating the basic observations for persistence length and whether the flight appears on Flight Explorer, it will be seen whether or not a trend emerges confirming the existence of a unique category of trail. Atmospheric differences due to higher moisture and colder temperatures in different locations will produce greater maximum persistence observed for identifiable traffic. For those in locations with greatest contrailing potential, the task of collecting data on highly persistent trails from unidentifiable flights will be hardest.

In this research I have gone to great lengths to measure and characterize my observations as accurately as possible in order to provide the clearest representation possible given the resources available.

M Steadham"

and link to the site
[link to www.chemtrailcentral.com]
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they have been sparying realy heavy for the last few days now....even when i was quite afew clouds yesterday you could see them in the gaps.....

i still havent decided what i think it is they are sparying...whether is something to protect us from the sun etc...something to make us ill/test on us..... but the more i look up at the sky the more im convinced its something other than just contrails

i know that some of you will think im off my meds...but there are just as many people that agree with me....
 Quoting: Nanna-Ree


They're spraying something to protect people just as sure as they're protecting people in villages and schools with the bombs they drop on them. Even if they were experimenting, usually armed forces testing is never for a positive or a protective outcome. And the armed forces are most certainly who oversees, supplies aircraft and probably even the funds, chemicals and pilots for the majority of spraying taking place in the western world.
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The Manhattan-Rochester Coalition, research on the health effects of radioactive materials, and tests on vulnerable populations without consent in St. Louis, 1945--1970
[link to gradworks.umi.com]
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Which has what exactly to do with planes flying at 30,000+ in the air?
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To point out such experiments are not unprecedented. The military can and has experimented on us, and likely continues to do so.
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Okay, how is it that one jet is leaving behind a normal contrail that dissipates almost immediately after it is left, and the trail that was left earlier is instead slowly spreading out into a cloud/haze?

Because one jet is at a different altitude and hence flying through different ambient conditions than the other...It also may have to do with the age and efficiency of the engines...Newer more efficient engines produce more water vapor, and compress more air laden with moisture than older/dirtier engines...

[link to DON'T_USE_THIS.com]

I've witnessed this myself many times, most recently today as a matter of fact. Today it's a hot sunny day with a blue sky, except there is a faint, but certainly visible white haze to the sky.

'Haze' is simply moisture in the air (though it can indeed be caused by smoke from fires, dust, etc.)...The more humid, the air is, the more haze...

It is especially evident in areas next to non-dissipating contrails, or chemtrails that some jets leave, while others leave contrails that quickly dissipate and leave no haze.

Not all planes fly at the same altitude...The atmosphere is not static to space...The higher you go, the colder and drier it gets (to an extent)...I've actually had people tell me that there is no way a contrail could possibly form because it was 90º at their house that day...I usually ask at that point if they believe that they can climb Mount Everest in a t-shirt and shorts because it is 75º at base-camp that day...
 Quoting: InfiniteSpiral

 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


I am aware that not all planes fly at the same altitude, and how cold it is at high altitudes and the way water vapour behaves at them. I never said all contrails are chemtrails.
What confounds me are the ones that seem to be at the same altitude, but behave differently. This person seems to have done some quite extensive research into it.

His summary:

"The goal of this research was to determine if there was a type of trail that was inconsistent with normal contrails, especially with regard to increased persistence. What was found is that highly persistent trails that last for many hours were seen above Houston, TX on a majority (60%) of observable days during the data collection period. However during this time period none of the 46 Flight Explorer confirmed contrails observed persisted for over 30 minutes and most contrails were under 30 seconds of persistence. Additionally it was discovered that the jets that were responsible for leaving highly persistent trails that last for hours did not ever appear on Flight Explorer and were documented for 8 separate instances, including one instance with two jets in formation. These unidentifiable jets were found to produce a contrail that was consistent with confirmed contrails during the periods when they weren't leaving highly persistent trails. Highly persistent trails are often seen in the form of isolated relatively short strips, as well as large areas of cirrus aviaticus clouds, but on rare occasions have been seen in totally unique grid and wheel formations.

It is hoped that others will endeavor to repeat these observations and publish their results. By repeating the basic observations for persistence length and whether the flight appears on Flight Explorer, it will be seen whether or not a trend emerges confirming the existence of a unique category of trail. Atmospheric differences due to higher moisture and colder temperatures in different locations will produce greater maximum persistence observed for identifiable traffic. For those in locations with greatest contrailing potential, the task of collecting data on highly persistent trails from unidentifiable flights will be hardest.

In this research I have gone to great lengths to measure and characterize my observations as accurately as possible in order to provide the clearest representation possible given the resources available.

M Steadham"

and link to the site
[link to www.chemtrailcentral.com]
 Quoting: InfiniteSpiral


Not a bad study but no one has done one since 2001 . . . the reason? It takes much effort to do a proper study . . . and the results will be totally inconclusive . . . coffee4
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I have personally witnessed a jet in Florida, at low altitude (approx 5k feet) coming in off the ocean at about 3:30 AM turning its chemicals on and off. I could hear the spray turning on and off. It was that low. Sky was clear and it was a full moon. Visibility was perfect.

At that altitude, especially over tropical south Florida, there is no such thing as a contrail. Especially one that turned off and on 3 times as it emptied some type of tank.

I work in the maritime industry as a licensed deck officer. I get paid very good money for, among other things, my visual perception and judgement of speeds,distances, and climatological variances. I also have a minor in meterology. I get tested by the Fed yearly to meet certain qualifications regarding these skills.

I also live near an approach for the West Palm airport. I have watched jets regularly make their approaches for years. From my loacation, I have never seen a jet this low. Not one time. This jet was not dumping fuel. There was about a 25 knot wind aloft and whatever they sprayed turned into a cloud stream. Aviation fuel would have dropped to the ground, not turned into a white cloud that drifted downwind for miles.

People can shill all they want. I know exactly what I saw. PLUS, I had an aviation tracker on my phone at the time. This particular tracker operates about 3 to 5 minutes delayed. I suppose for security reasons. I tapped the icon on my iPhone and waited for it. Meanwhile I could still see the jet heading inland. I looked for the signature for about 20 minutes and it never showed. I could see all the other jets coming and going from WPB and Miami. This one was immune to tracking.

Since there is no such thing as a coincidence, I can only presume that this was certainly NOT a commercial flight. On top of that I clearly witnessed this full size jet obviously spraying some type of aerosol into the sky from nozzles on each wing. These were NOT emissions from a jet turbine engine. Also, the jet was only doing about 200 MPH.

I for one do not need to speculate on chemtrails. I have enough knowledge and life experience to know exactly what it was that I witnessed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41076883


Thank you for your observation! Even the circlejerk of shill/trolls have no reasonable argument for this guys statement.

clappa

And thank you OP for continuing the discussion with great logic!

The burden of proof is on the contards, (nice label BTW!), not the other way around.
Their only argument is "don't believe your lying eyes"....
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My wife thought the whole idea was off too... until she started paying attention and observing for herself.
 Quoting: GFX guy


so, you are actually suggesting that the chemtards have no obligation to prove the trails are full of aluminum and barium as they claim? it's just to be believed because chemtards say so?

that is just plain stupid.

good thing for the world that chemtards are within the known lunatic fringe of society..and that's where they will stay. forever
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11269112


The science is in... Try doing some research. Rain & soil tests from all over are continuing to confirm these claims.
 Quoting: GFX guy


then answer this, smart guy...

how the hell is spray from 1-5 miles up accurately hitting any target on the ground...and in greater concentration than naturally occurring elements/gases and that of terrestrial based pollution

yeah...it's not
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An institute dedicated to researching such things: [link to www.carnicominstitute.org]
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lmao

chem-tards continue to not provide a shred of tangible evidence

probably never will, but will continue to needlessly cry wolf


better go check on your morgellon's disease
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Okay, how is it that one jet is leaving behind a normal contrail that dissipates almost immediately after it is left, and the trail that was left earlier is instead slowly spreading out into a cloud/haze?

Because one jet is at a different altitude and hence flying through different ambient conditions than the other...It also may have to do with the age and efficiency of the engines...Newer more efficient engines produce more water vapor, and compress more air laden with moisture than older/dirtier engines...

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I've witnessed this myself many times, most recently today as a matter of fact. Today it's a hot sunny day with a blue sky, except there is a faint, but certainly visible white haze to the sky.

'Haze' is simply moisture in the air (though it can indeed be caused by smoke from fires, dust, etc.)...The more humid, the air is, the more haze...

It is especially evident in areas next to non-dissipating contrails, or chemtrails that some jets leave, while others leave contrails that quickly dissipate and leave no haze.

Not all planes fly at the same altitude...The atmosphere is not static to space...The higher you go, the colder and drier it gets (to an extent)...I've actually had people tell me that there is no way a contrail could possibly form because it was 90º at their house that day...I usually ask at that point if they believe that they can climb Mount Everest in a t-shirt and shorts because it is 75º at base-camp that day...
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I am aware that not all planes fly at the same altitude, and how cold it is at high altitudes and the way water vapour behaves at them. I never said all contrails are chemtrails.
What confounds me are the ones that seem to be at the same altitude, but behave differently. This person seems to have done some quite extensive research into it.

His summary:

"The goal of this research was to determine if there was a type of trail that was inconsistent with normal contrails, especially with regard to increased persistence. What was found is that highly persistent trails that last for many hours were seen above Houston, TX on a majority (60%) of observable days during the data collection period. However during this time period none of the 46 Flight Explorer confirmed contrails observed persisted for over 30 minutes and most contrails were under 30 seconds of persistence. Additionally it was discovered that the jets that were responsible for leaving highly persistent trails that last for hours did not ever appear on Flight Explorer and were documented for 8 separate instances, including one instance with two jets in formation. These unidentifiable jets were found to produce a contrail that was consistent with confirmed contrails during the periods when they weren't leaving highly persistent trails. Highly persistent trails are often seen in the form of isolated relatively short strips, as well as large areas of cirrus aviaticus clouds, but on rare occasions have been seen in totally unique grid and wheel formations.

It is hoped that others will endeavor to repeat these observations and publish their results. By repeating the basic observations for persistence length and whether the flight appears on Flight Explorer, it will be seen whether or not a trend emerges confirming the existence of a unique category of trail. Atmospheric differences due to higher moisture and colder temperatures in different locations will produce greater maximum persistence observed for identifiable traffic. For those in locations with greatest contrailing potential, the task of collecting data on highly persistent trails from unidentifiable flights will be hardest.

In this research I have gone to great lengths to measure and characterize my observations as accurately as possible in order to provide the clearest representation possible given the resources available.

M Steadham"

and link to the site
[link to www.chemtrailcentral.com]
 Quoting: InfiniteSpiral


Not a bad study but no one has done one since 2001 . . . the reason? It takes much effort to do a proper study . . . and the results will be totally inconclusive . . . coffee4
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I do have to concede with you there. It likely is impossible to ever conclusively prove that they are spraying something, but I at the very least wanted to show to everonyone on the thrad that they have experimented with spraying harmful substances before, and that that are people who have researched it and some who are actively looking into it.

It's more than just people looking at the sky and going "Oh that stuff looks scary, must be a consiracy!!!" hunter
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I have personally witnessed a jet in Florida, at low altitude (approx 5k feet) coming in off the ocean at about 3:30 AM turning its chemicals on and off. I could hear the spray turning on and off. It was that low. Sky was clear and it was a full moon. Visibility was perfect.

At that altitude, especially over tropical south Florida, there is no such thing as a contrail. Especially one that turned off and on 3 times as it emptied some type of tank.

I work in the maritime industry as a licensed deck officer. I get paid very good money for, among other things, my visual perception and judgement of speeds,distances, and climatological variances. I also have a minor in meterology. I get tested by the Fed yearly to meet certain qualifications regarding these skills.

I also live near an approach for the West Palm airport. I have watched jets regularly make their approaches for years. From my loacation, I have never seen a jet this low. Not one time. This jet was not dumping fuel. There was about a 25 knot wind aloft and whatever they sprayed turned into a cloud stream. Aviation fuel would have dropped to the ground, not turned into a white cloud that drifted downwind for miles.

People can shill all they want. I know exactly what I saw. PLUS, I had an aviation tracker on my phone at the time. This particular tracker operates about 3 to 5 minutes delayed. I suppose for security reasons. I tapped the icon on my iPhone and waited for it. Meanwhile I could still see the jet heading inland. I looked for the signature for about 20 minutes and it never showed. I could see all the other jets coming and going from WPB and Miami. This one was immune to tracking.

Since there is no such thing as a coincidence, I can only presume that this was certainly NOT a commercial flight. On top of that I clearly witnessed this full size jet obviously spraying some type of aerosol into the sky from nozzles on each wing. These were NOT emissions from a jet turbine engine. Also, the jet was only doing about 200 MPH.

I for one do not need to speculate on chemtrails. I have enough knowledge and life experience to know exactly what it was that I witnessed.
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Thank you for your observation! Even the circlejerk of shill/trolls have no reasonable argument for this guys statement.

clappa

And thank you OP for continuing the discussion with great logic!

The burden of proof is on the contards, (nice label BTW!), not the other way around.
Their only argument is "don't believe your lying eyes"....
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My wife thought the whole idea was off too... until she started paying attention and observing for herself.
 Quoting: GFX guy


so, you are actually suggesting that the chemtards have no obligation to prove the trails are full of aluminum and barium as they claim? it's just to be believed because chemtards say so?

that is just plain stupid.

good thing for the world that chemtards are within the known lunatic fringe of society..and that's where they will stay. forever
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The science is in... Try doing some research. Rain & soil tests from all over are continuing to confirm these claims.
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please provide evidence that what was found came from the trails and isn't just normal levels of natural elements.
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Well, looks like in the end everyone is just sticking to what they already believe, like in 99.9999999% of all threads here/ I'm done now. I can't convince anyone chemtrails are real, and it was foolish of me to think I could in the first place.
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Well, looks like in the end everyone is just sticking to what they already believe, like in 99.9999999% of all threads here/ I'm done now. I can't convince anyone chemtrails are real, and it was foolish of me to think I could in the first place.
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bingo, champ

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Well, looks like in the end everyone is just sticking to what they already believe, like in 99.9999999% of all threads here/ I'm done now. I can't convince anyone chemtrails are real, and it was foolish of me to think I could in the first place.
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true
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The Manhattan-Rochester Coalition, research on the health effects of radioactive materials, and tests on vulnerable populations without consent in St. Louis, 1945--1970
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Which has what exactly to do with planes flying at 30,000+ in the air?
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


To point out such experiments are not unprecedented. The military can and has experimented on us, and likely continues to do so.
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Testimony to Congress in 1994 . . .


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