Godlike Productions - Discussion Forum
Users Online Now: 1,424 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 199,334
Pageviews Today: 331,197Threads Today: 102Posts Today: 1,954
04:52 AM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.

 
ssle

User ID: 31896854
United States
05/14/2013 09:46 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
"antibiotic resistant flu virus"

The stupid burns
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3202564


Bit like ALL viruses then !
 Quoting: ParamedicUK

Ugghhh I just can't hop on this doom train. The fact that the quote from the "nurse" several pages back said it didn't respond to antibiotics when they "thought it was a virus"...

If it's the flu, antibiotics won't help. If it's a secondary infection from the flu, chances are antibiotics won't help. Antibiotics require a functioning immune system and bacteria that isn't resistant. The fatal flaw with modern medicine is they treat damn near everything with broad spectrum antib's. Everything is resistant.

When your doctor hands over a prescription, ask how s/he knows this is the right antibiotic for your condition. Demand a culture. Take the time to get it right - something that specifically targets your infection.

Make sure your doctor knows it's an infection. If you get antib's for the flu, a secondary infection could become resistant to that medication while it incubates.

Worse yet, broad spectrum antib's could impair your immune system.

Then you're fucked.
Everyone is worth knowing. Everything is worth learning.
You're never too good. You're never not good enough.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25180363
United States
05/14/2013 09:46 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
<embed src=" [link to cnettv.cnet.com] scale="noscale" salign="lt" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" background="#333333" width="425" height="279" allowFullScreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" FlashVars="si=254&&contentValue=50146787&shareUrl= [link to www.cbsnews.com] />
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25180363


Link is @bottom where it says Cbs news.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 39628126
United States
05/14/2013 09:49 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
there is a vaccine for this:

last Winter i was in the hospital for ”pneumonia” and “congestive heart failure” (thatis what they call "fluid around the heart"), which we picked up in an a very, old, restaurant .

Later on in the year, not a rare thing, while trying to medicate a kitty, he bit the sht out of me (Norwegian Forrest Cat (Nasty suckers (never have them around children, nor other kitties))) and i had to go get stitches. I later went to my doctor and asked for a tetanus shot, which he didnot have, so they gave me a 3-in-one shot that, i think, you give to babies, which had tetanus in it.

One of the vaccines in the shot had something to do with lung infection. Iam sorry i cannot think of the name of it (just letters), but they said they give it to grandparents as well, because grandparents are around little children.

This Winter i had nothing of a “cold” illness, although there was a second there on one occasion that i noticed fluid in by lungs, but it vanished as fast as it appeared.

I did however breakout with ringworm on my hands, from a bad batch of kitty litter (Paws and Claws), which brush fired up my arms, because i slathered cortisone on it, causing it to turn into Tinea Incognito (a living nightmare)

When i first discovered about Tinea Incognito there was a lot about it on Youtube, but now about 2 months later, when i went back to check out something about it, there was only one video left to view. All the others were gone.

Thereis something rotten going on in the Medical Mafia in regard to Tinea Incognito and we best do something about it, because people can die from this. I call it "ringworm on steroids".
arkay  (OP)

User ID: 944501
Australia
05/14/2013 10:00 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
Glycyrrhizin, an active component of liquorice roots, and replication of SARS-associated coronavirus.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Potential antivirals and antiviral strategies against SARS coronavirus infections.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Toona sinensis Roem tender leaf extract inhibits SARS coronavirus replication. (In Vitro)
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Antiviral activity of glycyrrhizic acid derivatives against SARS-coronavirus.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Antiviral effects of Glycyrrhiza species.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
 Quoting: Fhirinne


Hi Fhirinne,

its always good to see you anongst us too.

You have a way of digging out some pretty good info and youve done it again with all those links.

Clearly you have put quite an effort into your research and I would like to register appreciation of the extensive efforts you have gone to for our collective benefits.

Thank you very much.

Having read through each of your links it does appear that our magnificent reseachers might be tracking down some very helpful defences against coronaviruses.

What vexes me though is that these articles hint at the very beginnings of discovery and even with a miraculous run through all the research protocols necessary, it would take years to bring a new product on to the market.

Not that this work should ever be criticised, it is of paramount importance to us all.

I am simply thinking (desperately so) of where we currently are with this potentially emerging MERS-cov pandemic.

In the mean time though, I do hope that you stay close to us here on this matter and continue to contribute your valuable efferts for us all.

They are very much appreciated.

cheers

arkay
arkay  (OP)

User ID: 944501
Australia
05/14/2013 10:05 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
"antibiotic resistant flu virus"

The stupid burns
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3202564


Bit like ALL viruses then !
 Quoting: ParamedicUK

Ugghhh I just can't hop on this doom train. The fact that the quote from the "nurse" several pages back said it didn't respond to antibiotics when they "thought it was a virus"...

If it's the flu, antibiotics won't help. If it's a secondary infection from the flu, chances are antibiotics won't help. Antibiotics require a functioning immune system and bacteria that isn't resistant. The fatal flaw with modern medicine is they treat damn near everything with broad spectrum antib's. Everything is resistant.

When your doctor hands over a prescription, ask how s/he knows this is the right antibiotic for your condition. Demand a culture. Take the time to get it right - something that specifically targets your infection.

Make sure your doctor knows it's an infection. If you get antib's for the flu, a secondary infection could become resistant to that medication while it incubates.

Worse yet, broad spectrum antib's could impair your immune system.

Then you're fucked.
 Quoting: ssle


Excellent and very well informed post.

I couldnt agree more.

Thank you.

arkay
THE INQUISADOR

User ID: 1375283
United States
05/14/2013 10:05 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
Excellent thread..Keep up the good work...
:nose23l36:
SCOTLAND FOREVER
America is the Grand Experiment..Let us not Fail..
Listed Number 1 in the Guinness World Record Book of EXTRA LARGE Steel Balls
Opinions are like Farts..Only the very best linger on and on
Great Men wake up to slay spam tards. Most are content to chase lizards. Therein lies the difference. Live Brave.LIVE FREE.
Murphy is my patron Saint.
I SIGN MY NEG KARMA
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 39628126
United States
05/14/2013 10:05 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
Quit drinking the fluoride. It depletes SELENIUM.

SELENIUM keeps the SARS from going lethal.




yoda
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39812838


in the meantime, while waiting for "them" to leave the fluoride cocktail out of the water:

i take "Selenium" and Zink. Why cannot everyone do the same? Duh

be careful of the Zinc, if you arenot married.- it makes you horney1rof1
arkay  (OP)

User ID: 944501
Australia
05/14/2013 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
<embed src=" [link to cnettv.cnet.com] scale="noscale" salign="lt" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" background="#333333" width="425" height="279" allowFullScreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" FlashVars="si=254&&contentValue=50146787&shareUrl= [link to www.cbsnews.com] />
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25180363


Link is @bottom where it says Cbs news.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25180363


Great pickup, thank you.

Maybe we are getting some traction here.

It doesent matter justn as long a everyone hears all about this.

cheers

arkay
novamom

User ID: 36691611
United States
05/14/2013 10:14 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
the sars like cases, that from reading the linked thread are said to be a strain of influenza. I also had in that thread that seals carry that type of flu virus. Has anybody been keeping up with the news about all of the seal pups coming to shore on the west coast?

I also found that in 2009 researchers were suspecting that 160+ dead seals found on the New England coast was possiblly due from pnemoia stemmed from H3N8.. Is it possible there is a connection? I do not think I can link the article, however you can find it by searching Researchers Find Possible Influenza Link to Dead Seals.
arkay  (OP)

User ID: 944501
Australia
05/14/2013 10:14 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
there is a vaccine for this:

last Winter i was in the hospital for ”pneumonia” and “congestive heart failure” (thatis what they call "fluid around the heart"), which we picked up in an a very, old, restaurant .

Later on in the year, not a rare thing, while trying to medicate a kitty, he bit the sht out of me (Norwegian Forrest Cat (Nasty suckers (never have them around children, nor other kitties))) and i had to go get stitches. I later went to my doctor and asked for a tetanus shot, which he didnot have, so they gave me a 3-in-one shot that, i think, you give to babies, which had tetanus in it.

One of the vaccines in the shot had something to do with lung infection. Iam sorry i cannot think of the name of it (just letters), but they said they give it to grandparents as well, because grandparents are around little children.

This Winter i had nothing of a “cold” illness, although there was a second there on one occasion that i noticed fluid in by lungs, but it vanished as fast as it appeared.

I did however breakout with ringworm on my hands, from a bad batch of kitty litter (Paws and Claws), which brush fired up my arms, because i slathered cortisone on it, causing it to turn into Tinea Incognito (a living nightmare)

When i first discovered about Tinea Incognito there was a lot about it on Youtube, but now about 2 months later, when i went back to check out something about it, there was only one video left to view. All the others were gone.

Thereis something rotten going on in the Medical Mafia in regard to Tinea Incognito and we best do something about it, because people can die from this. I call it "ringworm on steroids".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39628126


Not wanting to sound critical but there is much here to address.

Really doesent sound too concerning.

Your comment about the injection you were given.

This might help a little.

We have all seen the initials "PG" on some medicines which is what your "shot" sounded like.

This doesent refer to grandparents spending time with their grandkids, which is a wonderful thing to contemplate.

Nor is it a form of TV Parental Guidance censorship.

(Tongue in cheek)

What it really means is "Pediatric/ Geriatric", and this refers to a lower dose than what would normally be given to a healthy adult.

In the case of Tetanus, the dose wouldnt be all that important, which was your primary reason for recieving it.

Your immune system would still have recognised the invasion and developed a response to Tetanus, which your doctor would have appreciated.

Hope this helps.

arkay
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 39628126
United States
05/14/2013 10:15 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
Glycyrrhizin, an active component of liquorice roots, and replication of SARS-associated coronavirus.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Potential antivirals and antiviral strategies against SARS coronavirus infections.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Toona sinensis Roem tender leaf extract inhibits SARS coronavirus replication. (In Vitro)
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Antiviral activity of glycyrrhizic acid derivatives against SARS-coronavirus.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Antiviral effects of Glycyrrhiza species.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
 Quoting: Fhirinne


Hi Fhirinne,

its always good to see you anongst us too.

You have a way of digging out some pretty good info and youve done it again with all those links.

Clearly you have put quite an effort into your research and I would like to register appreciation of the extensive efforts you have gone to for our collective benefits.

Thank you very much.

Having read through each of your links it does appear that our magnificent reseachers might be tracking down some very helpful defences against coronaviruses.

What vexes me though is that these articles hint at the very beginnings of discovery and even with a miraculous run through all the research protocols necessary, it would take years to bring a new product on to the market.

Not that this work should ever be criticised, it is of paramount importance to us all.

I am simply thinking (desperately so) of where we currently are with this potentially emerging MERS-cov pandemic.

In the mean time though, I do hope that you stay close to us here on this matter and continue to contribute your valuable efferts for us all.

They are very much appreciated.

cheers

arkay
 Quoting: arkay


Hello,

ihave been waiting for you

Sulpha clears it up immediately.

[link to us.yhs4.search.yahoo.com]
THE INQUISADOR

User ID: 1375283
United States
05/14/2013 10:18 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
Here is an interesting tool that takes some time to understand, But when you do ..It is devastating when connected with the current virus situation..Understand you are working with gradient maps.

[link to www.csse.uwa.edu.au]


You will need to read this first to explain the SIR model.

[link to www.fordham.edu]

Last Edited by THE AMERICAN INQUISITOR on 05/14/2013 10:21 AM
:nose23l36:
SCOTLAND FOREVER
America is the Grand Experiment..Let us not Fail..
Listed Number 1 in the Guinness World Record Book of EXTRA LARGE Steel Balls
Opinions are like Farts..Only the very best linger on and on
Great Men wake up to slay spam tards. Most are content to chase lizards. Therein lies the difference. Live Brave.LIVE FREE.
Murphy is my patron Saint.
I SIGN MY NEG KARMA
Saddletramp

User ID: 736969
Puerto Rico
05/14/2013 10:24 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.

"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."

"We don't rent pigs!"
sWANsONG
User ID: 39628126
United States
05/14/2013 10:29 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
there is a vaccine for this:

last Winter i was in the hospital for ”pneumonia” and “congestive heart failure” (thatis what they call "fluid around the heart"), which we picked up in an a very, old, restaurant .

Later on in the year, not a rare thing, while trying to medicate a kitty, he bit the sht out of me (Norwegian Forrest Cat (Nasty suckers (never have them around children, nor other kitties))) and i had to go get stitches. I later went to my doctor and asked for a tetanus shot, which he didnot have, so they gave me a 3-in-one shot that, i think, you give to babies, which had tetanus in it.

One of the vaccines in the shot had something to do with lung infection. Iam sorry i cannot think of the name of it (just letters), but they said they give it to grandparents as well, because grandparents are around little children.

This Winter i had nothing of a “cold” illness, although there was a second there on one occasion that i noticed fluid in by lungs, but it vanished as fast as it appeared.

I did however breakout with ringworm on my hands, from a bad batch of kitty litter (Paws and Claws), which brush fired up my arms, because i slathered cortisone on it, causing it to turn into Tinea Incognito (a living nightmare)

When i first discovered about Tinea Incognito there was a lot about it on Youtube, but now about 2 months later, when i went back to check out something about it, there was only one video left to view. All the others were gone.

Thereis something rotten going on in the Medical Mafia in regard to Tinea Incognito and we best do something about it, because people can die from this. I call it "ringworm on steroids".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39628126


Not wanting to sound critical but there is much here to address.

Really doesent sound too concerning.

Your comment about the injection you were given.

This might help a little.

We have all seen the initials "PG" on some medicines which is what your "shot" sounded like.

This doesent refer to grandparents spending time with their grandkids, which is a wonderful thing to contemplate.

Nor is it a form of TV Parental Guidance censorship.

(Tongue in cheek)

What it really means is "Pediatric/ Geriatric", and this refers to a lower dose than what would normally be given to a healthy adult.

In the case of Tetanus, the dose wouldnt be all that important, which was your primary reason for recieving it.

Your immune system would still have recognised the invasion and developed a response to Tetanus, which your doctor would have appreciated.

Hope this helps.

arkay
 Quoting: arkay


remember, GLP, who weare, and please DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 19559955
United States
05/14/2013 10:33 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
I am in Manhattan right now on 5th Ave.... rode the subway to work this morning... and I feel great! :)


You have to understand... News circulates like crazy in NYC.. Hospitals are gossip central... there are thousands of people that work at them in NYC... if some nurse knows about it like this guy claims then many nurses know... if many nurses know, then the orderlies know, and so on and so on... Everyone in that hospital would know in less than a day if it were true, and then all their friends and family, and then friends of friends, etc.... sure enough someone would contact the NY Post and it would be on the cover even without reputable sources...


I will do all of you worriers a favor... One of my buddies is a surgeon at a very reputable hospital here in NYC (New York Presbyterian)... if someone posts the alleged hospital that this is occurring at I will contact him and see if there is any validity to this...

my guess... its a huge stinking load of BS, but again I will ask him...
Fhirinne

User ID: 17348671
United Kingdom
05/14/2013 10:34 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
Glycyrrhizin, an active component of liquorice roots, and replication of SARS-associated coronavirus.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Potential antivirals and antiviral strategies against SARS coronavirus infections.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Toona sinensis Roem tender leaf extract inhibits SARS coronavirus replication. (In Vitro)
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Antiviral activity of glycyrrhizic acid derivatives against SARS-coronavirus.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Antiviral effects of Glycyrrhiza species.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
 Quoting: Fhirinne


Hi Fhirinne,

its always good to see you anongst us too.

You have a way of digging out some pretty good info and youve done it again with all those links.

Clearly you have put quite an effort into your research and I would like to register appreciation of the extensive efforts you have gone to for our collective benefits.

Thank you very much.

Having read through each of your links it does appear that our magnificent reseachers might be tracking down some very helpful defences against coronaviruses.

What vexes me though is that these articles hint at the very beginnings of discovery and even with a miraculous run through all the research protocols necessary, it would take years to bring a new product on to the market.

Not that this work should ever be criticised, it is of paramount importance to us all.

I am simply thinking (desperately so) of where we currently are with this potentially emerging MERS-cov pandemic.

In the mean time though, I do hope that you stay close to us here on this matter and continue to contribute your valuable efferts for us all.

They are very much appreciated.

cheers

arkay
 Quoting: arkay


Hiya Arkay, you are most welcome.

It's what I do best really, finding ways to deal with what ever comes our way.

But yep its true what you say they are indeed the first stages of clinical research and such always takes years to make it to the market. But that said there is no harm in people using such to take their own health into their own hands while we all wait.

I feel it helps stop the fear a little, maybe anyways.

But then again such won't help those already in the hospitals for such things.

Last Edited by Fhirinne on 05/14/2013 10:35 AM
You are the CEO of your own wellness. You need to take back your health from the disease-care system
novamom

User ID: 36691611
United States
05/14/2013 10:37 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
I am in Manhattan right now on 5th Ave.... rode the subway to work this morning... and I feel great! :)


You have to understand... News circulates like crazy in NYC.. Hospitals are gossip central... there are thousands of people that work at them in NYC... if some nurse knows about it like this guy claims then many nurses know... if many nurses know, then the orderlies know, and so on and so on... Everyone in that hospital would know in less than a day if it were true, and then all their friends and family, and then friends of friends, etc.... sure enough someone would contact the NY Post and it would be on the cover even without reputable sources...


I will do all of you worriers a favor... One of my buddies is a surgeon at a very reputable hospital here in NYC (New York Presbyterian)... if someone posts the alleged hospital that this is occurring at I will contact him and see if there is any validity to this...

my guess... its a huge stinking load of BS, but again I will ask him...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19559955


I think I read it was at St. Lukes.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 19559955
United States
05/14/2013 10:38 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
I am in Manhattan right now on 5th Ave.... rode the subway to work this morning... and I feel great! :)


You have to understand... News circulates like crazy in NYC.. Hospitals are gossip central... there are thousands of people that work at them in NYC... if some nurse knows about it like this guy claims then many nurses know... if many nurses know, then the orderlies know, and so on and so on... Everyone in that hospital would know in less than a day if it were true, and then all their friends and family, and then friends of friends, etc.... sure enough someone would contact the NY Post and it would be on the cover even without reputable sources...


I will do all of you worriers a favor... One of my buddies is a surgeon at a very reputable hospital here in NYC (New York Presbyterian)... if someone posts the alleged hospital that this is occurring at I will contact him and see if there is any validity to this...

my guess... its a huge stinking load of BS, but again I will ask him...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19559955


I think I read it was at St. Lukes.
 Quoting: novamom



Can you confirm this? I don't want to waste his time and find out it was the wrong hospital to check on...
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 39801535
United States
05/14/2013 10:42 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
bsflag

Around minute 4.

He starts talking about "what he's been told" - how we have an "antibiotic resistant flu virus."

He got that from a "very reliable source" - a "skilled, well-knowledgeable nurse".

I can't take shit like this seriously when it's so blatantly wrong about details that should be obvious.
 Quoting: ssle


He comes across as very credible to me... very specific information.
 Quoting: TraderRob


Flu virus has never been treatable with antibiotics. You cant' treat ANY virus with antibiotics! If a "credible" source told him this then I hope that source never gets their medically-incompetent hands on me.
Vic-chick13

User ID: 39630161
Canada
05/14/2013 10:47 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
bsflag

Around minute 4.

He starts talking about "what he's been told" - how we have an "antibiotic resistant flu virus."

He got that from a "very reliable source" - a "skilled, well-knowledgeable nurse".

I can't take shit like this seriously when it's so blatantly wrong about details that should be obvious.
 Quoting: ssle


He comes across as very credible to me... very specific information.
 Quoting: TraderRob


Flu virus has never been treatable with antibiotics. You cant' treat ANY virus with antibiotics! If a "credible" source told him this then I hope that source never gets their medically-incompetent hands on me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39801535


It's a fairly common mistake, the information shouldn't be discounted out of hand. I wish I had a dollar every time someone said 'hyper'allergenic when they meant 'hypo'allergenic.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 39628126
United States
05/14/2013 10:48 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
I've been sick with flu symptoms for three days and four hours.. Just keeps getting worse, and I NEVER get sick. Moves from head to chest back to head ect., but my daughter had it too, for four days.. Granted we are all fit and healthy people so maybe it was SARS and we just waited it out .. I say "we" because while I feel like dirt, I can tell ill get better.. Very strange indeed! My grandparents have had it for a week btw .. We're on the OH/WV border ..
 Quoting: MrsCrickets


iam in the Erie area, and the strange dampness with tree etc. pollen everywhere is awsome. It came suddenly, and as a result i wound up, from not being able to keep up with enough water, to over-watering my plants.- of course, the heater is basically no longer throwing out that death-defying hot air, so that just makes things more conplicated, and creates a big change. (i keep my thermostat at 65, while hibernating in one room; using a Walmart, oil-filled, space heater), under the table where is my computer and desk.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 39628126
United States
05/14/2013 10:55 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
bsflag

Around minute 4.

He starts talking about "what he's been told" - how we have an "antibiotic resistant flu virus."

He got that from a "very reliable source" - a "skilled, well-knowledgeable nurse".

I can't take shit like this seriously when it's so blatantly wrong about details that should be obvious.
 Quoting: ssle


He comes across as very credible to me... very specific information.
 Quoting: TraderRob


Flu virus has never been treatable with antibiotics. You cant' treat ANY virus with antibiotics! If a "credible" source told him this then I hope that source never gets their medically-incompetent hands on me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39801535


It's a fairly common mistake, the information shouldn't be discounted out of hand. I wish I had a dollar every time someone said 'hyper'allergenic when they meant 'hypo'allergenic.
 Quoting: Vic-chick13


and youare caring enough to explain the difference thankya'll

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:
[link to www.youtube.com]
arkay  (OP)

User ID: 944501
Australia
05/14/2013 10:58 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
the sars like cases, that from reading the linked thread are said to be a strain of influenza. I also had in that thread that seals carry that type of flu virus. Has anybody been keeping up with the news about all of the seal pups coming to shore on the west coast?

I also found that in 2009 researchers were suspecting that 160+ dead seals found on the New England coast was possiblly due from pnemoia stemmed from H3N8.. Is it possible there is a connection? I do not think I can link the article, however you can find it by searching Researchers Find Possible Influenza Link to Dead Seals.
 Quoting: novamom


Hi Novamom.

Ok I think some basic microbiology might be helpful here.

In the field of microbiology where we are referring to pathogens, bugs that harm us, there are several types.

WE have viruses.

These essentially are protien strands which actually enter our cellular structures which they need to be able to multiply and then cause harm.

They then leave one cell and move on to do the same with ever more cells, eventually making us ill.

We have no real anti-virals that we can use to kill viruses in the body.

We do have some limited compounds that inhibits viruses from actually entering our cells where they do their work, but these compounds are pretty specific and dont work across the spectrum.

As is the case with coronaviruses.

Viruses are often described as H5N1, H1N1, H3N2, H7N9, etc.

These descriptions relate technically to their genetic compositions, more or less.

Next we have bacteria.

There are really only a few dozen of these if that many that will cause illness in humans.

These bugs are complete cellular entities in their own right.

They will invade a person, grow and multiply and cause illnes and sometimes death.

Antibiotics are our best defences with these bugs along with good bed rest and these compounds work best with healthy immune systems.

When given an antibiotic it is absolutely ESSENTIAL to take ALL of the course of antibiotics that have been prescribed.

The failure to observe this simple thing is why we now have resistant superbugs that are next to impossible to treat.

Let me expleain..

You become ill and get a prescription of a course of antibiotics.

You take your meds and you rest and in say four or five days you are feeling better.

You think the pills have cured you, and it is true that you are on the road to recovery.

If you cease your course at this point chances are your immune system will finish the job for you.

It might take a little longer but you wont know that.

What happens here though is that you have exposed your bugs to an antibiotic but have not yet killed them ALL.

Your body will harbour some that will overcome the antibiotic and become a resistant strain.

Eventually your immune system will kill most and your body will also expell some.

Those that you shed are now resistant bacteria, so now you have created a resistant strain of bacteria, just waiting for another person to come along.

This process eventually repeats itself until you get a bug that has evolved past all known anitbiotics and will now be incurable.

So, the massive message here is no matter how good you feel it is absolutely essential that all antibiotics are taken when a course is prescribed.

Now you know why.

Though barely worth mentioning in this context, there is another class of bugs that could cause harm, but it really is very uncommon and they are moulds and their spores, otherwise known as yeasts.

Typically the most familiar to most will be Candida which often causes little more than inconvenience and is generally easily treated.

We use yeasts very beneficially to make our daily bread, beer and other fermented foods, but in the right conditions they can cause health conditions.
Lawlis

User ID: 4398744
United States
05/14/2013 10:58 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
Everyone stock up on colloidal silver...
ORDO AB CHAO
TOTRhombus

User ID: 38804434
United States
05/14/2013 11:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
My mom is really, really sick with a respiratory illness that her dr. can't pinpoint. Damn.
 Quoting: TOTRhombus

...

Please keep us posted and know that she is definitely in my thoughts to the Divine. (if that is ok?)
 Quoting: Éireann


Yes, that's definitely okay.

hugs

I spoke to my dad last night and he said she's feeling somewhat better. She's on a hefty course of steroids that is helping to open up her airways and some good cough medicine that helps her sleep. He's a retired doctor, so I know he's keeping a close watch on her.
I don't know where you get your delusions, laser brain.
talkstory

User ID: 39812505
Thailand
05/14/2013 11:10 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
Everyone stock up on colloidal silver...
 Quoting: Lawlis


I noticed in one post they mentioned dengue fever as one of the things there is no treatment for. Living in Thailand it is a pretty common ailment and most end up in the hospital at some point.

I have tried colloidal silver but I have found that MMS, sodium chlorite mixed with citric acid to be effective. For me a small dose of 6 drop twice in a 3 hour periods reduced my symptoms by 80 percent over that period of time and they were totally gone within 24 hrs with just the two doses of 6 drops. As a result of this thread and some of the other ones in regards to the uptick in pandemic like diseases making their presents know. I ordered another pound of sodium chlorite, enough to make 28 four ounce bottles.


Cost was only 70 dollars and that is enough to treat hundreds of people if not a thousand.
talkstory
TOTRhombus

User ID: 38804434
United States
05/14/2013 11:14 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
Hey Guys:

Some of you know I'm a retired MD myself. That having been said - where you are in the US has a direct correlation to your survival if/when you turn up with something "outside" the normal disease physicians see.

If her doc can't figure it out, then the first step is to call in a Pulmonologist and an Infectious Disease Specialist. If you can find men/women in these specialities who are professors at a medical school - so much the better. Medical Schools tend to take a lot of funds from the US Government and are easily and quickly plugged into The CDC and the NIH. A phone call is all it takes to get a team dispatched if they're got a suspected case of SARS or Bird Flu, etc. Those teams will also advise what antibiotics and combos of drugs to begin IMMEDIATELY (before they arrive) to give your mother the best chance of survival and control over either one of those illnesses if that should be what she's suffering with.

Do NOT let some GP or Country Doc twiddle his thumbs trying to figure it out himself. If he won't get consultations from Pulmonology and ID, then you can make a few phone calls and arrange them yourself. You won't get anywhere sitting by and being patient and polite, however. If she's sick and they do not know what's wrong, then insist that the escalate the problem up to first the local specialists and then to the national guys at NIH and/or CDC.

There are lots of dedicated scientists and docs at the NIH and CDC who are funded to be on a plane with a team in minutes if there's a case they cannot identify. The problem is that too often the local docs wait too long before calling them and the disease is totally out of control.

Raise hell, and if she's in a small regional hospital - you may even have to get her transferred to the nearest medical school, teaching facility to get state-of-the-art care. Do not hesitate to do so. Her life may well depend on how hard and now well you and your family push these docs!

God Bless you and your mother. Let me know where you are in the US and I can guide you to the top teaching hospitals in the area if that would be of help or interest.

My mom is really, really sick with a respiratory illness that her dr. can't pinpoint. Damn.
 Quoting: TOTRhombus


I wish her all the best! hf
 Quoting: Gypsy Priest

 Quoting: MarkinAZ


Thanks so much for your offer. My dad keeps in touch with colleagues at UNM where he went to medical school, so all he has to do is call and they'll find her the best pulmonologist and/or infectious disease specialist available if she takes a turn for the worse. Thankfully she's starting to feel a little better but I know my dad will keep a close eye on her.
I don't know where you get your delusions, laser brain.
arkay  (OP)

User ID: 944501
Australia
05/14/2013 11:15 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
I am in Manhattan right now on 5th Ave.... rode the subway to work this morning... and I feel great! :)


You have to understand... News circulates like crazy in NYC.. Hospitals are gossip central... there are thousands of people that work at them in NYC... if some nurse knows about it like this guy claims then many nurses know... if many nurses know, then the orderlies know, and so on and so on... Everyone in that hospital would know in less than a day if it were true, and then all their friends and family, and then friends of friends, etc.... sure enough someone would contact the NY Post and it would be on the cover even without reputable sources...


I will do all of you worriers a favor... One of my buddies is a surgeon at a very reputable hospital here in NYC (New York Presbyterian)... if someone posts the alleged hospital that this is occurring at I will contact him and see if there is any validity to this...

my guess... its a huge stinking load of BS, but again I will ask him...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19559955


I think I read it was at St. Lukes.
 Quoting: novamom



Can you confirm this? I don't want to waste his time and find out it was the wrong hospital to check on...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19559955


Hi thank you so much for your kind offer.

I can, from my best information confirm that is St Lukes hospital that is believed to be where these patients are.

But other news that I havent bothered cluttering up the thread with is the fact that their case goes back to I think around 20 something in April.

So, that being the case one would have to think that whomever is in charge there really has managed to keep an excellent clamp down on info.

It could well be a case of the CDC occupying a complete floor and staffing it with totally external staff.

In severe pandemic cases I am aware that they do have complete independant medical teams that can be inserted to fully manage a significant outbreak of this nature.

This might be the case here, so your enquiry might not be productive.

Just a word of some to the things that are on the table with this.

To elaborate a little and give my comments some credibility, several years ago there was a report, just one, before the media blackout, of an outbreak of H5N1 avian influenza I think in Bangladesh.

The news service quoted a 300 strong medical team flying in from the United States to take control of the situation, after that nothing!

Obviously they contained the outbreak but the details, all of them remain unknown to this day.
Saddletramp

User ID: 736969
Puerto Rico
05/14/2013 11:18 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
The Cycle...

Peak population? We've all heard of peak energy, but what about peak population?

Think about this, To of the major cycles that effect our society have already peaked and appear to be moving downward. These two cycles are Energy Production and Food Production. These two cycles are major indicators that the population cycles of humanity may be moving into a declining phase, with that, economic cycles are turning towards decline, as they are majorly effected by the cycles I have already mentioned above.

Now think about nature and what happens when a species reaches the limits of it's environment (which is usually food sources). When this happens in nature there is usually a massive die off, or cull, that happens due to starvation and disease. This die off will often approach 50% of the habitats population of the overpopulated species.

So, humanity tends to believe that they are somehow above the rules of nature, but I tend to disagree, and I think this new rash of high mortality diseases beginning to spread through our population centers is just proof that the larger population cycle is entering a phase of decline.

Take care of yourselves, take care of your health, food sources, medical supplies, power supplies, etc...
"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."

"We don't rent pigs!"
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 39628126
United States
05/14/2013 11:18 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Imminent Pandemic; 25 SARS like cases in Undisclosed New York Hospital-Now believed to be St Lukes.
the sars like cases, that from reading the linked thread are said to be a strain of influenza. I also had in that thread that seals carry that type of flu virus. Has anybody been keeping up with the news about all of the seal pups coming to shore on the west coast?

I also found that in 2009 researchers were suspecting that 160+ dead seals found on the New England coast was possiblly due from pnemoia stemmed from H3N8.. Is it possible there is a connection? I do not think I can link the article, however you can find it by searching Researchers Find Possible Influenza Link to Dead Seals.
 Quoting: novamom


Hi Novamom.

Ok I think some basic microbiology might be helpful here.

In the field of microbiology where we are referring to pathogens, bugs that harm us, there are several types.

WE have viruses.

These essentially are protien strands which actually enter our cellular structures which they need to be able to multiply and then cause harm.

They then leave one cell and move on to do the same with ever more cells, eventually making us ill.

We have no real anti-virals that we can use to kill viruses in the body.

We do have some limited compounds that inhibits viruses from actually entering our cells where they do their work, but these compounds are pretty specific and dont work across the spectrum.

As is the case with coronaviruses.

Viruses are often described as H5N1, H1N1, H3N2, H7N9, etc.

These descriptions relate technically to their genetic compositions, more or less.

Next we have bacteria.

There are really only a few dozen of these if that many that will cause illness in humans.

These bugs are complete cellular entities in their own right.

They will invade a person, grow and multiply and cause illnes and sometimes death.

Antibiotics are our best defences with these bugs along with good bed rest and these compounds work best with healthy immune systems.

When given an antibiotic it is absolutely ESSENTIAL to take ALL of the course of antibiotics that have been prescribed.

The failure to observe this simple thing is why we now have resistant superbugs that are next to impossible to treat.

Let me expleain..

You become ill and get a prescription of a course of antibiotics.

You take your meds and you rest and in say four or five days you are feeling better.

You think the pills have cured you, and it is true that you are on the road to recovery.

If you cease your course at this point chances are your immune system will finish the job for you.

It might take a little longer but you wont know that.

What happens here though is that you have exposed your bugs to an antibiotic but have not yet killed them ALL.

Your body will harbour some that will overcome the antibiotic and become a resistant strain.

Eventually your immune system will kill most and your body will also expell some.

Those that you shed are now resistant bacteria, so now you have created a resistant strain of bacteria, just waiting for another person to come along.

This process eventually repeats itself until you get a bug that has evolved past all known anitbiotics and will now be incurable.

So, the massive message here is no matter how good you feel it is absolutely essential that all antibiotics are taken when a course is prescribed.

Now you know why.

Though barely worth mentioning in this context, there is another class of bugs that could cause harm, but it really is very uncommon and they are moulds and their spores, otherwise known as yeasts.

Typically the most familiar to most will be Candida which often causes little more than inconvenience and is generally easily treated.

We use yeasts very beneficially to make our daily bread, beer and other fermented foods, but in the right conditions they can cause health conditions.
 Quoting: arkay


when the "virus" was first discovered, itwas too tiny to be seen enough on the old microscopes, so "they" gave it a new name.

Later when the microscopes advanced enough for "them" to beable to study the germ/bacteria ("virus") w/its own idiosyncrasy, just like all bacteria has, they kept the new name, since it was still the littlest germ. It also proved to be beneficial monetarily speaking (among the medical mafia)- if ya know what i mean.

The word "Fungus" is the heading name over all other creatures such as yeast and mold. In other words Fungus is just the "family" name and underneath of it you file all the others by their first name so to speak.

Then you get to Tinia Incognito (i call it Ringworm on steroids) with which the Medical Mafia has turned into a circus of confusion and chaos for your delight, and for easy extortion.





GLP