Cathecism of The Catholic Church

LOL, you all do not understand; Islam was and still is a judgment again Christendom by the Almighty. Thanks to all of the religious people professing Jesus' name are responsible for the growth of it due to your man-made doctrines.

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Hebrews 11:1

Is seeing?
then somehow Believing?,

The Second Commandment

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,

or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above,

or that is in the earth beneath,

or that is in the water under the earth:

Thou shalt --not bow down-- thyself to them,

--nor serve them:--

for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,

visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

And -->shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and -->keep my commandments."

Some Catholic Churches have this 2nd Commandment, But most do not, most have discarded it and split the tenth commandment into two to win the number 10 back

[link to www.the-ten-commandments.org]

You raise many valid points; and while not speaking for OP, I would like to respond to them.

I agree with most of what you wrote here.....seems like you on the right path, but not fully there (as none of us are yet.) Jesus loved His Father and did come to show us how to do the same, by and through obedience to His Father's loving instructions. And recognition and declaration to the Father as the one and only God was He asks.. We are his children by being in His image. The second command is like the first......loving others in the same way the Father loves us, and by showing others His image, by the way we live and follow His instructions.

So no, the commandments ARE all about loving the Father and each other, and further not only humans, but all of His creation. If we are going to be in His image, we will be creators, as He is.... One of His commands is DO NOT KILL. And that means ANY LIFE.



There are two issues you raise in your second point. First that the RCC assembled the bible. You said: Jesus did not write the bible - the apostles and their followers wrote the Gospels
I find that to be an oxymoronic statement - Jesus did not write the bible. Jesus IS the bible.... He is the Living Word come down from his position from next to the the most High incarnated in a human body... He was incarnate LIVING WORD of God the Father. And every word that He uttered was a statement of fulfilling prophecy (quoting from the OT), OR it was a correcting statement showing the people how badly they had screwed up THEIR interpretations from what they had been previously given, through the prophets.

Further, to say that the apostles and his followers wrote the bible, is an incorrect statement as well. Most of the NT is a reflection, explanation and/or expounding of the old testament. There is some newly revealed prophecy in it, but it is primarily a revealing of the showing the end of the story begun in the OT.

If you read closely, the NT, you will see the many, continual references to quotes from the OT. The writers BUILD on those verses by showing how Y'shua fulfilled them, but they never created new theology from them

I agree about the Holy Spirit and that the Spirit of YAH continues its works through today. I would be careful though, of who lays hands on you.......the spirit of YAH is not the only who travels that way.....



I haven't yet seen where OP can be categorized as sola scriptura, as he refers to several extra-biblical writings, those that were removed by the CC. Those writings that reveal much more to our stories, than the CC would allow her people to have, thus keeping them *in the dark* and under her control through the limitations of understanding of the Word as come down.

As far as following traditions supposedly handed down from Jesus and the apostles.....unless you believe that every single person come in contact with His words and His examples -- and did pass those on to the next person and the next and the next.....if you believe every single person that came into contact with them was holy spirit inspired and trusted by God to provide truth for the following 2,000 years -- well then, that ideology is nothing more than the telephone game.

And worse than that...... some of the most corrupt and evil people in all of creation were the holders of the given scriptures and its traditions, and those were the ones to pass it down and teach to their followers. Don't believe me? Let me know and I will be happy to show you historical proof.

The thing is, this activity is not owned soley by the RCC.... it began with the Israelites in the OT......which activities were condemned over and over and over by YAH til He finally said "I AM DONE WITH YOU (for the time being) and scattered them through the gentile nations.



I don't think you have clearly addressed the issue of Mary.... not at all. I understand you hold to the belief that you are praying to her as intercessor, and that you use the word "venerate" rather than worship. But I have provided quotes and can provide more, picutres included, that show adoration on levels MUCH MUCH MUCH higher than what you allude to. You create a very grey, blurred line on what is actually occurring, yet the Word itself is black and white and is very clear about what our Father asks of us. And He never, EVER said to pray to the Queen of Heaven to intercede on your behalf. We ask other to pray for us because God works THROUGH us as His family in that He may be glorified, and unite us as one.

The verses you quote don't support worship and adulation of the Queen of Heaven, and never instruct us for her intercession. In fact, our scriptures give us the exact opposite instruction, in every way.



First, regarding the rosary....It sounds all pretty and nice ... using beads to keep your place while in prary.....but as a former catholic I know that most people who pray the rosary, their minds are far far away, and they do it for appearance sake only, or they are doing it for all the wrong reasons........Saying hail marys' and glory be to the father, and the intermittent our father, does NOT reveal the mysteries of Moshiach.

Look, prayer is not "vain repetitions" of the same words, over and over. It is not reliving what we believe happened to Jesus and Mary, and attempting to experience THEIR experiences over and over. Our time in our closet with the Most High is to be a one-on-one time with HIM and ourself, OUR lives, and HIS purpose. It's that simple.

And finally, your verses where people fell down prostrate before the messenger, what were they instructed each time? DON'T DO IT !!!!

My fav catholic story is at Palermo in the inquisition.If convicted they put you in a statue and roasted you. I just figured jesus was hungry.
Prior to WW2 the poles and jews in Poland thought they could steal german assets. They killed 59000. At Bromberg those brave jews nailed the german children to the wall. I just figured jehovah was decorating.

we are some ugly humans, aren't we......We most definitely need HIS ways to become ours.