Cathecism of The Catholic Church

Prohibited nowhere in the Bible.

lol..women after puberty didnt even wear their hair uncovered..except Roman women. Get real

Read the Bible yourself or stay ignorant further.

Followers of Christ? Dont make me laugh

When you love like Him you wont need to recite doctrine op

Followers of Christ? Dont make me laugh

When you love like Him you wont need to recite doctrine op

ven·er·ate
transitive verb \ˈve-nə-ˌrāt\
ven·er·at·edven·er·at·ing
Definition of VENERATE
1: to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference
2: to honor (as an icon or a relic) with a ritual act of devotion
— ven·er·a·tor noun
Examples of VENERATE

a writer venerated by generations of admirers
She is venerated as a saint.

Origin of VENERATE
Latin veneratus, past participle of venerari, from vener-, venus love, charm — more at win
First Known Use: circa 1623
Related to VENERATE

Synonyms
adore, deify, glorify, revere, reverence, worship

It is still idolatry any way you define it. We are to cleanse ourselves and strip away the world when we go before His throne. I tend to forget the vast majority of believers know nothing of throne-room worship...

The words of man, and not the words of God. Do you know what it says? And how by the Vicar of Christ declaring that he really indeed is the Christ do you see the problems God might have with that?

Do you see the problems of Idolatry? Do you see the problems of praying to Mary? Do you see the problems of using prayer beads, adapted from Hindu prayer beads? Do you see the problem of declaring Mary a perpetual Virgin when she had more children?

You worship men, and your church. No more and more less.

If you actually took the time and did the research you would see the Pagan symbols littered throughout the church. If you looked up the Pagan Gods of Ancient Rome, and compared to the Saints your church made them again you would see.

The only person lying is you, and to yourself no less. And Jesus will say, "I don't even know you."

Again look up the word venerate. Look up who we pray to. Look up that Jesus is the one and only mediator. One example of Pagan idolatry. Below the trident of Poseidon

:Poseidon Trident:


And of Course the tridents on the Cross. No excuse. All graven images. Even the cross is graven. The Queen of Heaven back in Nimrods day wore crowns to.


:Poseidon:

Statues and paintings of Jesus, Mary and Joseph, are not graven images.
Intelligence tells you it would be crazy to imagine a statue is really Jesus.

"Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. the movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is".


[link to www.vatican.va]

Where do you get this last part? Out of your own head - study the history of the church - even the early Old Testament Jews had statues and images, decorations, etc - on the ark of the covenant for one. What they didn't do was make Gods for themselves - this is the distinction, and if you were actually interested in getting to the truth rather than spewing out the same garbage over and over again, you might be able to find interpretations of scripture that make sense.

Where do you get that venerating someone is idolatry? Would you argue that the statue of Lincoln in Washington, DC is idolatry?

Look, the Catholic church is clear that idolatry is a violation of the 2nd commandment. Give it a rest already.

The pharisees used to try to get Christ to trip up regarding the word of the Law to have an excuse to have Him arrested..same thing

Oh ..and you cured on a Sabbath? oh shock how unacceptable

For them it was more important the word of the law than the act of love of healing someone..

that was their hypocrisy..their fanatical zeal to the written word but the lack of love in even attempting to live it


they nailed Him to that cross because he Loved..He placed Love before anything and anyone..Love was His Life..

I doubt you would like Him op if you ever got to meet Him..I seriously doubt you would find Him pleasing to you at all

Dude, it always makes me go "We Do?" every time a protestant says we Catholics worship Mary or statues and "graven images". Dude, statues and paintings are just decorations just like you have pictures in your house of loved ones. They are just reminders of those we love. Do you worship pictures of your loved ones? No. Of course not. Just the same we Catholics don't worship graven images or inanimate objects or pictures of family and friends. I mean just because people kneel near one of these reminder pictures, statues, or religious painting type objects doesn't mean we're bowing down to it. ^_^ We kneel cuz we are humbling ourselves to the big guy above, God the father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Also we don't pray To Mary. We pray WITH Mary to Jesus because when you pray WITH angels and saints and large groups of people, your prayers are magnified. In other words you aren't alone when you pray believing in the communion of saints. Just like if I asked you, "Will you pray for my mom, she's sick?" You'd say okay. Its the same when we don't have a group to pray with we go "Ave Maria" or Hail Mary or hey St. so and so pray WITH me to Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit. Even the apparition of Mary at Lourdes pulled out her rosary to pray WITH St. Bernadette to God. St. Bernadette did took out her rosary to test the spirits and to her surprise, it was not a demon because Mary began to pray with her.

P.S. Check out Catholicanswers.com if you have questions about the church's beliefs and call up the Catholic Answers radio show if you have questions about the church.

God is love and his love is everywhere. That's why we're the United States, because our Founding Fathers were of all different Christian beliefs, they found a way to unite knowing that God is love. A good number of them were seminarians. They knew the scripture where Jesus and the apostles walked by a man who was casting out demons in his name. Then one apostle said, "Jesus, that guy isn't with us." Then Jesus replied, "Wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am present."

That's what we all need to do. I'm not talking one world religion NWO bunk because NWO are a bunch of freedom and sovereignty haters. I'm saying don't let the devil divide us. Recognize that God is love and that if the Founding Fathers of the United States with all their different beliefs could agree on that then We the People will go far in that unity.

When Yah told them to make the images, they were not being worship for they were models of the throne-room in heaven. Later, everything was destroyed, one of the reasons was they began to worship the images, for example the brass snake Moses made. Understand the difference between images the Lord had them made and paying them homage.

How do you tell a vestal virgin? They wear a cross necklace. We are not of this world. If the world loves you, your doing something wrong. The world does not love the Father.

“The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, Himself, hidden under the veil of human flesh.” — Catholic National, July 1895.

“The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” — Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, “Cities Petrus Bertanous.”

God is LOVE

Do you understand the fullness of that?

LOVE

If you are to be part of God and God part of you you are to be LOVE

if you hate you draw yourself away from God

Hell is an absence of Love..an absence of God

You say we sin because we Love and Honor Mary?

We LOVE

We Love Christ..We Love Mary..we Love our Church..we Love the Pope..We love

What sin is there in this?

Are we perfect? probably not

but then again..are you?

and are we to love only those that are perfect?

are only the perfect allowed in the temple as the Old Mosaic Law demanded ..and no imperfection was allowed in the presence of God..no blind..no disabled..no infirm?

And Christ came and swept away with all that

He loved them..He touched them.. He healed them..He taught them..them that the LAW spat on..that the LAW ignored and wouldnt EVEN ALLOW IN THE TEMPLE TO PRAY!

He loved those He was not suppose to love according to the Doctrine of the LAW

so what is YOUR judgment regarding Christ?

Right back at ya!

Statues and paintings of Jesus, Mary and Joseph, are not graven images.
Intelligence tells you it would be crazy to imagine a statue is really Jesus.

"Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. the movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is".


[link to www.vatican.va]

[8] And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. - 1Pe 4:8 KJV


I see the love from Catholics compelling them into action.

Whenever I am praying in front of abortion clinics, I see more Catholics there, than any other. They even have resources for women who want to reconsider abortion, imagine that? They stand boldly in humility and faith to the hate filled protestors who challenge them. Catholics are the ones using their financial resources to fight laws that force them to fund abortion, through their faith based health insurance.

When I have visited those in Catholic hospitals and nursing homes, they treat everyone no matter their economic class with love and care.

Catholics stand boldly for marriage.


[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast. [10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. - Eph 2:8-10 KJV

[13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: [14] Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. [15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. [16] Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? ... [20] Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. - Mat 7:13-16, 20 KJV


[16] All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: - 2Ti 3:16 KJV

I may not see a biblical basis for not allowing priests to marry, praying to saints, or the rosary. However, I can see the love of Christ that flows out of many believers in Christ from many different religions. I urge you to pray for all people.

[32] And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. - Jhn 8:32 KJV

My first reply to this thread will probably be, "do you believe in Christ", or, "you must be a protestant." Or along the lines of, "love thy neighbor", or '"why are you anti-Catholic"?

No further from the truth of course, I fight my battles using the words of God, rather than a creation of fiction and fantasy. The author of Harry Potter could do better I am sure.

Honestly, I was raised Mormon and converted to Catholicism eight years ago. Had I actually read the Cathecism during my class never would I have considered such a conversion. I have apologized to God through His Son many times for my foolishness.

I am not a Christian which is not required for salvation might I add. Labels have done nothing for men, rather divide and seperate which leads many to covet. They are better than us, and we are better then them. There is no where in the Bible which speaks of such a religion, and I am quite sure that the Messiah would crush most churches if he was walking today.

I partake of the Eucharist, in syriac pharisatha which means 'measured out', daily by consuming the very flesh which Christ gave us all, the word. And the word became flesh just as John tell us. Furthermore, by living in daily thanksgiving I completely immerse myself daily in the 'blood' of Christ by meeting with him in the holiest of holies, the bridal chamber. Just another fallacy of the church to think they are the brides of Christ.

Within my very own home an expression of the most initimate and loving relationship has been created, the bridal chamber were Jesus awaits everyday for my hand which is offered up to him by praying to His Father through Him. A strong relationship which cannot be found in any church, because they have rob most individual the knowledge to establish such an incredible relationship. They want to continue their sheep to continue to suckle on their sour milk which only increases revenue and power.

It doesnt take any intelligence to see the doctrines of demons that are currently being taught at this time. A reflection of the godless society that most of us live in. People could care less about sins and salvation, as long as there is a false teacher preaching how much God and Jesus love us, by grace and love everyone will get in. A perfect example of how 'feel' good doctrine sells can be seen at Lake Wood Church in Texas, home to no other than Joel Osteen. Abandon all the laws that Jesus followed, laws are not required because Jesus and God love you so much.

The spread of false idealogies has led us to exactly where we are at during this day and age. That is the church age is rapidly coming to a close, and the Kingdom Age is very quickly going to be established. Before establishment, turn to Revelations none other, and do not try to read Revelations linear, because they are indeed circular. As a direct reflection then none other The Living God.

I would like to state that there is no hate towards any member of any church. What I hate is bad doctrines, doctrines of demons. I downloaded the current pdf of Cathecism from the below website. Therefore, no websites will be cited, just their book against the word of God.

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To start off a fine example of how the 'Holy" Church determines who has the ability to read and intrepret the Bible. Was there a reason mass was in Latin for so long? Was there a reason the Holy Bible was actually outlawed by the RCC many years ago? Well below one will see that the Church thinks most of us are invalids, and not capable of forming a spiritual connection ourself, thus one cannot possible interpret scriptures with the help of the Church.


111 But since Sacred Scripture is inspired, there is another and no less important principle of correct interpretation,
without which Scripture would remain a dead letter. "Sacred Scripture must be read and interpreted in the light of the
same Spirit by whom it was written."77

The Second Vatican Council indicates three criteria for interpreting Scripture in accordance with the Spirit who
inspired it.78

112 1. Be especially attentive "to the content and unity of the whole Scripture". Different as the books which compose
it may be, Scripture is a unity by reason of the unity of God's plan, of which Christ Jesus is the center and heart, opensince his Passover.79

The phrase "heart of Christ" can refer to Sacred Scripture, which makes known his heart, closed before the Passion, as the Scripture was obscure. But the Scripture has been opened since the Passion; since those who from then on have understood it, consider and discern inwhat way the prophecies must be interpreted.80

113 2. Read the Scripture within "the living Tradition of the whole Church". According to a saying of the Fathers,
Sacred Scripture is written principally in the Church's heart rather than in documents and records, for the Church
carries in her Tradition the living memorial of God's Word, and it is the Holy Spirit who gives her the spiritual
interpretation of the Scripture (". . . according to the spiritual meaning which the Spirit grants to the Church"81)

114 3. Be attentive to the analogy of faith.82 By "analogy of faith" we mean the coherence of the truths of faith among.

Clearly the church doesnt want anyone really to read the scriptures, and if so be guided not by the spirit of God, but to adhere to the faith and the spirit of the church. Obviously, if you have a question since your probably a moron and cannot think for yourself, go seek counsel with your Parish Priest.
themselves and within the whole plan of Revelation.

As you will see the RCC has done very little to perserve the so called 'sacred scriptures' of the church. The only church authorized to interpret them by the way.

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I posted a link about the utterly Godless Apparition of Mary. Below is the link. The next sequences will be the idolatry based on the churches views of Mary worship and how this is clearly a violation of the second commandment, one which the RCC conveniantly removed.

Thread: The Apparition of Mary, "Queen of Heaven"

Deuteronomy 5:6-10

" I am the Lord Thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage." "Thou shalt have none other gods before me." "Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth." "Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD Thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments."

The Catholic View of Mary which of course is venerated, worshipped, prayed to, and even bowed before. The fools guide to better satan worship presents:

491 Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, "full of grace" through God,134 was
redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as
Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854:

The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by
virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin.13

If it came from the Holy Vicar of Christ it had to be true. This is the same man that ordered the papal police of Bologna to abduct a six year jewish boy. They had a homoerotic relationship, this scandal almost destroyed the Papacy. Sounds just like the man of Satan we would expect, something that has been overlooked, and hushed from the top down. Pedophilia and Catholic Clergy go hand in hand, the devil likes his boys young and cute. This article can be found just using a simple internet search on Pope UNPIUS and UNGODLY IX.

How much public outcry was made when the former Presidant of America had a sex scandal with a woman? Remember? Your Vicar of Christ, rather broker of souls for Satan probably raped an innocent child, or perhaps he just 'fondled' him. Anti-Pope Demon of the Devil Pedo PIUS IX!

499 The deepening of faith in the virginal motherhood led the Church to confess Mary's real and perpetual virginity
even in the act of giving birth to the Son of God made man.154 In fact, Christ's birth "did not diminish his mother's virginal integrity but sanctified it."155 And so the liturgy of the Church celebrates Mary as Aeiparthenos, the "Evervirgin".156
Just like NAMMU the Queen of Heaven was a Virgin the Church just had to proclaim and elevate her.

500 Against this doctrine the objection is sometimes raised that the Bible mentions brothers and sisters of Jesus.157 The Church has alwaysunderstood these passages as not referring to other children of the Virgin Mary. In fact James and Joseph, "brothers of Jesus", are the sons of
another Mary, a disciple of Christ, whom St. Matthew significantly calls "the other Mary".158 They are close relations of Jesus, according to an Old
Testament expression.159

501 Jesus is Mary's only son, but her spiritual motherhood extends to all men whom indeed he came to save: "The Son
whom she brought forth is he whom God placed as the first-born among many brethren, that is, the faithful in whose
generation and formation she co-operates with a mother's love."

This is a flat out lie as Matthew 13:55 and Matthew 27:56 clearly show. But the church had to elevate her to perpetual mother and virgin to be just like NAMMU the Queen of Heaven. In the second verse there is three Marys. The first Mary the most loved disciple, whom Jesus kissed often. Mary the mother of Jesus mother of James and Joses, and then Mary the mother of the Zebedee children.

Last I checked there wasnt any other immaculate conceptions documented, thus Mary lost her virginity after giving birth to at least two more children.

Matthew 13:55
"Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simeon, and Judas?"

Matthew 27:56
" Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children."

Oh yes back to the love Doctrine. If you love Him you will also love His Father. How did Jesus love his Father, he honored him by following His Laws.

Once again I expect this from the sons and daughters of Satan. They hate the truth, and cannot provide one scrap of evidence that supports their idolatrous worship. Surrpot your worship on the words of God, and not the words of a Church.

Can you do that, at least once in this thread? Can you provide anywhere in the scriptures that talks about worshipping and praying to Mary? Can you provide anywhere that suggests praying with beads? Can you suggest anywhere in the Bible that allows prayers other than to God?

Can you provide anywhere that suggest the veneration, which means worship, of dead saints and martyrs? No!

The answer is clear, there is no justification within the bible for the beliefs of the Catholic Chrich and how they worship.

Well, God made Jesus and Mary and all the saints - and they are gifts to us - examples for how we should live our lives. Why should we not remember them with pictures? Sometimes, when I want to feel closer to my Grandma in Heaven, I'll pull out a picture of her - I might even talk to her. The way that Catholics use statues and images is no different.