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Free-thinking... ridiculed by people who will never think for themselves.

 
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Terrific post OP. Could you please follow up with some relevant books, links, articles concerning alternate history? I'm very keen on the subject also, many thanks
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No one should have to follow up with proof of anything. The proof is IN the history .... Follow it. They taught us in school that history always repeats itself .... That is true.... thus far.

Can it be agreed upon that humanity is reaching extinction?? I mean really .... I highly doubt in current situations we're eating & or living HEALTHY. The way the Creator intended, right?

The human population has pretty much become a science fair project for the next life.

The creator, our father son & mother earth are going to HAVE to reset itself in order to survive! .... Follow the history of that, Mr. I need proof .... When was the last time an entire civilization was wiped off the face of the earth!

.... Kuddos to the cable guy .. the only time I even turn my tv on is for the occasional game of fight night, or for noise when I'm home alone lol.
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Yeah, it's sad that these idiots actually think they're right when they are so clearly controlled.
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Terrific post OP. Could you please follow up with some relevant books, links, articles concerning alternate history? I'm very keen on the subject also, many thanks
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Thank you thumbs

It isn't really about linking to a source but rather seeing the similarities from various sources. The great flood, as an example, is spoken about in many places but only one source that I've seen so far differs from the other versions.

If you want to get a specific area to start looking into then Tibet holds many answers. I believe the caves in the Himalayan mountains hold some of the most important secrets to our history and future gene pool. There is a lot of crossover between Tibetan and the Hindu beliefs, both of which are much older than modern religions.

Mount Kailash (or mount Kailas) is an important topic to focus on. Google "What is the Giza Sphinx looking at" to get an idea of how important.

Germany made not one but three expeditions to Tibet during the 1920's and 1930's. It was the results of these that made Antartica such a priority. Wilhelm Filchner led one of the Tibet expeditions and was then tasked with the Antartica expedition straight after.

Since the declassification of the new ground-penetrating radar a few years ago, the most staggering data has emerged of complex and labyrinthine underground systems in various parts of the world. At places like Guatemala in the South Americas, tunnels have been mapped under the Mayan pyramid complex at Tikal, which extend a full 800 kilometers to the opposite side of the country.

In the Bucegi mountains, Romania back in 2003 a remarkable discovery was made which I believe to be mostly true. I've researched this for over a year and I find confirmations everywhere (and once again leading back to Tibet).

If you then tie this into the multitude of ancient texts you soon discover there are many subjects and details that crossover repeatedly.

The answers are not mine to give (nor am I saying I have them) but researching at this moment in time can offer more answers than at any other time in recent history.
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What I've ALWAYS found is that people who call themselves free-thinkers are invariably the most closed-minded individuals I've ever met.
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Yes, free-thinker is a term dogmatic atheist/pseudo-skeptics have appropriated.
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bump for later.
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I openly admit I know nothing and I have no firm belief so I can change my views as new research arises.
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And know nothing and believe nothing then too?
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Yeah, it's sad that these idiots actually think they're right when they are so clearly controlled.
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Good analysis! The only time I ever glance at the news is on my lunch break because our cafeteria has TVs set to Fox and CNN. I don't know how people can watch that stuff. :< It's all a circus.
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People today have been conditioned to only accept information they have been told is true. Anyone who thinks outside the box is labelled a conspiracy theorist or a crazy person.

When you look at how the media portray people with a different view and look closely at the wording you will clearly see the programming in action.

CNN recently caught wind of a person who was questioning how the media handled a tragedy. Look at how it was worded before they actually start talking about his claims...

“We begin with a story that is hard to believe. You will want to sit down for this one”, “there are always conspiracy theorists lurking online who come up with horrifically outrageous claims. Normally we would not dignify these claims with air-time. These claims are obviously sickening to many...”. “It turns out one of the people peddling these conspiracy theories...”.

If you watch the media carefully you' ll notice this pattern of portrayal, i.e. loathing, seedy, basement dwelling crazy people is repeated any time a different theory is mentioned. They build up a huge amount of loathing and disbelief so the viewer is already in the mindset it is unpatriotic, disturbing or disgusting... even when the evidence (or lack of it) is indisputable.

The media has never and will never take a neutral stance when anyone goes against the version they tell. This is exactly the same in science and religion. Why such demonisation for people who question? If what they say is not true just dazzle them with evidence contraindicating theirs.

Do you believe that everything you've ever been told about our history (ancient and modern) is 100% accurate and true? Do you believe there is NOTHING that has ever been kept back?

Would it surprise you that in our ancient history virtually every single religion and ancient text, going back some 60,000 years, all talk about the same type of thing? Would it surprise you that there are over 150 records of the great flood? Would it surprise you that if you draw straight lines around earth from major ancient structures like the Great Pyramids it will also include many other ancient monuments and places of importance?

Did you know there are many ancient artifacts, hieroglyphs, tablets and cuneiforms that show things we have only recently discovered like sacred geometry, cymatics, biology, chemistry and more? Did you know the great pyramid was built using Pi and the golden ratio?

Why is our ancient history never taught in schools? Yes they go back some of the way but even with Egypt they only talk about the simplest of things. Why are the Sumerian and Mayan civilisations, which were in some ways more advanced than we are today, never spoken about?

What is this world all about?

What is the number one thing that drives humanity? FEAR!

Don't believe in the right God? you'll burn in hell. In the media they constantly instil fear into your life. Have you ever been in a terrorist attack, mugged, raped, stabbed, murdered :)?

Have you ever seen it with your own eyes? Yet we are to believe that there is a terrorist, mugger, rapist, murderer on almost every street corner. This whole World is built around FEAR to hide you from the truth.

I do not fear death and for the death of others I will be celebrating their life and not mourning their death because I have my own understanding of who we really are. We have been taught death should be feared. This could not be ANY FURTHER from the truth in my eyes! It is a fear-based system for a very good reason (Just like all the other fear instilled in our lives)!

Seriously, ask yourself; “WHY are we constantly bombarded with fear in every single aspect of our lives?”

While you're doing that ask yourself another question: “Why do we label everyone and then separate society into different sections so we never unite?”

Free-Thinking is not stupid, it is not crazy, it is not anti-evidence. Free Thinking is something that everyone should be doing. The planet is full of drones who blindly accept everything they are told and question nothing. If it's on TV it must be true... right?

The banality of the human race has reached new lows. Never before have answers been so available but never before has society had less interest in finding the answers to the biggest questions.

“The highest activity a human being can attain is learning for understanding, because to understand is to be free.”
-Baruch Spinoza

If you only read the books that everyone else is reading or watch the same shows that everyone else is watching, you can only THINK what everyone else is thinking.

Free-Thinking has been a crime many times in the past and it will be again. The answers need to stay hidden for society to remain where it is in this fear-driven, terror-driven, war-driven, money-driven system of slavery. We are in a prison but most cannot see.

A scene in the film The Matrix summed it up brilliantly...
Morpheus: "The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us, even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window, or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, or when you go to church, or when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes, to blind you from the truth."

Neo: "What truth?"

Morpheus: "That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else, you were born into bondage, born inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch. A prison for your mind."
 Quoting: WeAreOne


Agreed totally, he who rules by fear shall be king.

It's a shame that so many so called 'awakened' people are still only following the herd......just a different herd......
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exactly. you can see that in gm's currently superpinned thread.
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And Germans tend to be perverted by nature.

That is just how it is.

So fuck Nitzche.
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Whatever Nietzsche was or became does not invalidate his points, that is the same that was done with Tesla because of his mental condition many intelligent people think his work on wireless transmission of energy was crap, being a poor human being has nothing to do with academic contribution.

And for you OP, thank you very much for the excellent thread 5* and green karma! About fear of death you reminded me of a passage from "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows" (the book not that hollywood bs movie) in which Dumbledore tells Harry to pity the living not the dead for those who die are free of pain and suffering. People may say it's a kids book but then I would argue that truth and knowledge may come even from a cereal box.
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I openly admit I know nothing and I have no firm belief so I can change my views as new research arises.
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And know nothing and believe nothing then too?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11878520


The more my research uncovers the more it has to expand to fill in the new gaps. Often these gaps are more like chasms that take me down whole new subjects. Even so in the grand scheme of things what a human can discover is most likely just a tiny fraction of what there is to know. Also, research may or may not be true. It is simpler and accurate to admit knowing nothing.

There is a difference between a belief and believing something may or may not be true. A belief, once set in stone, will limit which paths of research you can go down.

By not having any firm belief the research can roll wherever the information takes it without any hindrance. It is the way I am most confortable with.
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People today have been conditioned to only accept information they have been told is true. Anyone who thinks outside the box is labelled a conspiracy theorist or a crazy person.

When you look at how the media portray people with a different view and look closely at the wording you will clearly see the programming in action.

CNN recently caught wind of a person who was questioning how the media handled a tragedy. Look at how it was worded before they actually start talking about his claims...

“We begin with a story that is hard to believe. You will want to sit down for this one”, “there are always conspiracy theorists lurking online who come up with horrifically outrageous claims. Normally we would not dignify these claims with air-time. These claims are obviously sickening to many...”. “It turns out one of the people peddling these conspiracy theories...”.

If you watch the media carefully you' ll notice this pattern of portrayal, i.e. loathing, seedy, basement dwelling crazy people is repeated any time a different theory is mentioned. They build up a huge amount of loathing and disbelief so the viewer is already in the mindset it is unpatriotic, disturbing or disgusting... even when the evidence (or lack of it) is indisputable.

The media has never and will never take a neutral stance when anyone goes against the version they tell. This is exactly the same in science and religion. Why such demonisation for people who question? If what they say is not true just dazzle them with evidence contraindicating theirs.

Do you believe that everything you've ever been told about our history (ancient and modern) is 100% accurate and true? Do you believe there is NOTHING that has ever been kept back?

Would it surprise you that in our ancient history virtually every single religion and ancient text, going back some 60,000 years, all talk about the same type of thing? Would it surprise you that there are over 150 records of the great flood? Would it surprise you that if you draw straight lines around earth from major ancient structures like the Great Pyramids it will also include many other ancient monuments and places of importance?

Did you know there are many ancient artifacts, hieroglyphs, tablets and cuneiforms that show things we have only recently discovered like sacred geometry, cymatics, biology, chemistry and more? Did you know the great pyramid was built using Pi and the golden ratio?

Why is our ancient history never taught in schools? Yes they go back some of the way but even with Egypt they only talk about the simplest of things. Why are the Sumerian and Mayan civilisations, which were in some ways more advanced than we are today, never spoken about?

What is this world all about?

What is the number one thing that drives humanity? FEAR!

Don't believe in the right God? you'll burn in hell. In the media they constantly instil fear into your life. Have you ever been in a terrorist attack, mugged, raped, stabbed, murdered :)?

Have you ever seen it with your own eyes? Yet we are to believe that there is a terrorist, mugger, rapist, murderer on almost every street corner. This whole World is built around FEAR to hide you from the truth.

I do not fear death and for the death of others I will be celebrating their life and not mourning their death because I have my own understanding of who we really are. We have been taught death should be feared. This could not be ANY FURTHER from the truth in my eyes! It is a fear-based system for a very good reason (Just like all the other fear instilled in our lives)!

Seriously, ask yourself; “WHY are we constantly bombarded with fear in every single aspect of our lives?”

While you're doing that ask yourself another question: “Why do we label everyone and then separate society into different sections so we never unite?”

Free-Thinking is not stupid, it is not crazy, it is not anti-evidence. Free Thinking is something that everyone should be doing. The planet is full of drones who blindly accept everything they are told and question nothing. If it's on TV it must be true... right?

The banality of the human race has reached new lows. Never before have answers been so available but never before has society had less interest in finding the answers to the biggest questions.

“The highest activity a human being can attain is learning for understanding, because to understand is to be free.”
-Baruch Spinoza

If you only read the books that everyone else is reading or watch the same shows that everyone else is watching, you can only THINK what everyone else is thinking.

Free-Thinking has been a crime many times in the past and it will be again. The answers need to stay hidden for society to remain where it is in this fear-driven, terror-driven, war-driven, money-driven system of slavery. We are in a prison but most cannot see.

A scene in the film The Matrix summed it up brilliantly...
Morpheus: "The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us, even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window, or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, or when you go to church, or when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes, to blind you from the truth."

Neo: "What truth?"

Morpheus: "That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else, you were born into bondage, born inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch. A prison for your mind."
 Quoting: WeAreOne








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OP, you are legend. Great thread. Everything you mentioned, I have thought about.

It's maddening
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What I've ALWAYS found is that people who call themselves free-thinkers are invariably the most closed-minded individuals I've ever met.
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Then my friend they are not free-thinkers in the true sense.

I openly admit I know nothing and I have no firm belief so I can change my views as new research arises. The "free" part of free thinkers is having nothing blocking new research or evidence.
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To think, or not to think, that is the question.

There are two critical aspects to making a decision - the extent of the facts that of necessity must be known to make a decision and the level of proof of those facts.

People are taught to be knee-jerk reactionaries. Once a scenario is given to them by MSM as facts, they are impliedly asked to make a conclusion of guilt or innocence. Invariably, the scenario never contains all the facts, and the immediate knee-jerk reaction will be made. It is rare, but I love it when a set of "facts" is presented and the sheeple immediately respond "guilty"! "Off with their heads"! And, then shortly later, new facts are presented that demonstrate innocence. The dilemma is often overwhelming for the sheeple. One part of their brain knows right from wrong, but the other part, the conditioned part, can't make the call of not guilty. That's why the American jurisprudence system of jury trials is so fraught with error. The jury of one's peers has been trained to be knee-jerk reactionaries who believe what their masters in the government tell them. (A more perfect system may be professional juries.)

When MSM tell the sheeple a set of "facts", and impliedly or directly expect the sheeple to reach a shared conclusion of guilt, the sheeple never ask the question of "What the limits of the facts necessary to make a conclusion of guilt?". No sheeple ever screams at the TV and says - "Hey, not enough facts here - give me more - I need to know about x, y and z before I can conclude the person is guilty!"

Scientists have been corrupted in a similar way in that scientists, in arriving at a conclusion, often turn speculative evidence into absolute truth. No one remembers that "truth" is an abstract, and that there are different levels of truth - for instance, in the American legal system, there are levels of truth, in a hierarchy of greater confidence in the evidence:

1) a "hunch" (not sufficient for a cop to stop someone and frisk them;
2) a "reasonable suspicion" (more than a hunch, but not certain - enough for a cop to search);
3) a "preponderance of the evidence" - it is more likely than not likely something is true. That's to say, there is more than a 50% chance something is true. Enough to win a civil case. It still could be not true, but you get to win your case.
4) "clear and convincing" evidence - more than a preponderance, but less than the next one. Enough for the government to take your kid away from you.
5) "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" - that's not all doubt, but just what you'd call reasonable doubt. This is the standard by which criminals are convicted.
6) "beyond all doubt" - not a legal standard in America.

Scientists are subject to funding issues - and if they don't present their findings in conformity with The Powers That Be, they won't get funding. So, often the facts upon which their findings are made are not vetted out by a hierarchy of proof of truth and conclusions are made to conform to the commonly accepted standard model. For instance, OOPARTS have not been properly addressed by the Archeological community because the history of man is supposedly very recent. OOPARTS demonstrating that man may have been on this planet for millions of years is not accepted, thus the OOPARTS are ignored for to do otherwise would challenge the "factual" conclusions in the currently accepted model of the history of man.

So, the question is, To Think, Or Not To Think.
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That was an excellent post thank you!

OOPARTS are really interesting. There are a few bogus ones out there but not enough to be able to dismiss them all.

With each progression in our evolution (and I'm not talking about fish > ape > man) we seem to go backwards. I have a feeling that in our very ancient history we had many of the answers and were in many ways much more advanced than we are now.

Science, as you rightly say, is funded in the worst possible way. There are a few papers, blogs and video testimonies out there from scientists who simply reported what they found who where then shunned from ever working again.

Our progression is too heavily funnelled, our history the same.
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OP, you are legend. Great thread. Everything you mentioned, I have thought about.

It's maddening
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