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ohnonotagain
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Ozi dude User ID: 38218308 Australia 04/16/2013 06:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am not willing to give up any of my liberties. yet I have had to after 911 I get searched at the airport against my will. I was a cop for many years and always had to be justified to search someone but they dont have to. they scan you like a slave. I hate it but choise have I got if I want to be part of society I have to comply. Its like taxes they are their for the greater good. ??? |
ohnonotagain
(OP) User ID: 37709684 United States 04/16/2013 06:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah I get what you're saying...but, at what point do you say enough? I say enough has been stripped from us....in fact, I want it all back. The government thinks it can prevent everything. You can't...life's not fair and can be effin ugly. But it's well worth it when you're free to smell the roses! "The Tree of Liberty is Thirsty and needs Watering" -Me |
ar-15 nut
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ohnonotagain
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Tantalus
User ID: 28335152 United States 04/16/2013 07:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Please read my Signature Below....... "Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither" --Benjamin Franlkin No one ever said freedom was safe. Upon true understanding of the concepts of freedom, you shall realize that freedom is the most dangerous choice of lifestyle. There are no guarantees in freedom but those one provides for themselves, at their own will. True freedom comes with extreme personal risk. Are you willing to take the risk? Thread: No One Ever Said Freedom Was Safe - A Short Thesis on Gun Control ------------------------ Other Interesting Threads by Tantalus: Thread: Anunnaki, Nibiru, Brown Dwarfs, and Gravitational Time Dilation Thread: Amazing Connection!! The Great Pyramid was a Weapon. Valles Marineris the Result? Thread: The True Nature of the Simulation Thread: The Fractal Nature of Time and Matter, The Higgs Field and The Inter-Cosmic Macro-Fractal Electro-Chemical Brain. |
ohnonotagain
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Tantalus
User ID: 25992772 United States 04/16/2013 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | .......... "Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither" --Benjamin Franlkin No one ever said freedom was safe. Upon true understanding of the concepts of freedom, you shall realize that freedom is the most dangerous choice of lifestyle. There are no guarantees in freedom but those one provides for themselves, at their own will. True freedom comes with extreme personal risk. Are you willing to take the risk? Thread: No One Ever Said Freedom Was Safe - A Short Thesis on Gun Control ------------------------ Other Interesting Threads by Tantalus: Thread: Anunnaki, Nibiru, Brown Dwarfs, and Gravitational Time Dilation Thread: Amazing Connection!! The Great Pyramid was a Weapon. Valles Marineris the Result? Thread: The True Nature of the Simulation Thread: The Fractal Nature of Time and Matter, The Higgs Field and The Inter-Cosmic Macro-Fractal Electro-Chemical Brain. |
Organic Light
User ID: 8545334 United States 04/16/2013 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rolling out the troops onto American streets, while the unsuspecting argues about who is responsible. Right under our noses in broad daylight. Sheesh! Last Edited by Arete11 on 04/16/2013 08:10 PM Untroubled, Scornful, Outrageous-That is how Wisdom wants us to be! White Genocide: 1900AD @ 35% - Today less than 8% of the earth's population Sophia's Correction |
Unixlike
User ID: 28064751 United States 04/16/2013 08:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm making no threats. I have no intent to do harm to any person. I think it is high time for a revolution in this country. If the entire federal legislature and the top 50 or so people in the executive branch were all executed I would throw a three day kegger. If they were bled out slowly I'd supply a wooden barrel of Crown Royal for the celebrations. |
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Sunyata
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 38230914 United States 04/16/2013 08:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin, ... Quoting: ar-15 nut It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace – but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! Patrick Henry |
ar-15 nut
User ID: 1281306 United States 04/16/2013 08:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin, ... Quoting: ar-15 nut It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace – but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! Patrick Henry We are a REPUBLIC.If we can keep it MORAN! A pissed off American Veteran! |
ar-15 nut
User ID: 1281306 United States 04/16/2013 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We are a REPUBLIC.If we can keep it MORAN! A pissed off American Veteran! |
Tantalus
User ID: 25992772 United States 04/16/2013 08:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am an American fighting man. I serve in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense. I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command I will never surrender my men while they still have the means to resist. If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy. If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way. When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause. I will never forget that I am an American fighting man, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America. Quoting: ar-15 nut If you were orderded to duty on American soil against American citizens, what would you do? "Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither" --Benjamin Franlkin No one ever said freedom was safe. Upon true understanding of the concepts of freedom, you shall realize that freedom is the most dangerous choice of lifestyle. There are no guarantees in freedom but those one provides for themselves, at their own will. True freedom comes with extreme personal risk. Are you willing to take the risk? Thread: No One Ever Said Freedom Was Safe - A Short Thesis on Gun Control ------------------------ Other Interesting Threads by Tantalus: Thread: Anunnaki, Nibiru, Brown Dwarfs, and Gravitational Time Dilation Thread: Amazing Connection!! The Great Pyramid was a Weapon. Valles Marineris the Result? Thread: The True Nature of the Simulation Thread: The Fractal Nature of Time and Matter, The Higgs Field and The Inter-Cosmic Macro-Fractal Electro-Chemical Brain. |
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ohnonotagain
(OP) User ID: 37709684 United States 04/16/2013 09:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am an American fighting man. I serve in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense. I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command I will never surrender my men while they still have the means to resist. If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy. If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way. When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause. I will never forget that I am an American fighting man, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America. Quoting: ar-15 nut If you were orderded to duty on American soil against American citizens, what would you do? I would hope not....but you can never be sure these days given the BS TPTB feed us. Some may because they think it's good, others will not because they see the evil. Thanks for the green! "The Tree of Liberty is Thirsty and needs Watering" -Me |
ohnonotagain
(OP) User ID: 37709684 United States 04/16/2013 09:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin, ... Quoting: ar-15 nut Could this be said any better???? I can't think of a way to make it sound any better! "The Tree of Liberty is Thirsty and needs Watering" -Me |
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ohnonotagain
(OP) User ID: 37709684 United States 04/16/2013 10:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's how the mafia used to rule the cities. They would fear the store owners then offer their protective services if you give your life and liberty to them. I live in the twilight zone Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2704006 Great analogue....why do we allow the few threaten the many? I think it time for the many to smash the few! "The Tree of Liberty is Thirsty and needs Watering" -Me |
Evil_Twin
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Tantalus
User ID: 25957457 United States 04/16/2013 11:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Liberty requires personal responsibility. Quoting: Evil_Twin Western Man is no longer willing to accept this burden. This is a short rant I wrote under my rarely used alter ego: Thread: I Believe in the System, it is Humanity I have my doubts about......... I Believe in the System, it is Humanity I have my doubts about......... Quoting: Aristaeus The application of Democracy in a Human Setting. These days, many people seem to think unity is a bad thing. Humanity must unite, but there are certain "modes" of unity that just don't work well. People cannot be told or forced to unite, that is what communism/socialism does, it is permanant government sanctioned regulation forcing people to live at a permanent and pre-determined rigid level of unity. This will never work. Unity is also dangerous when it is under the discression and rule of a single individual. NO ONE PERSON SHOULD HAVE POWER OVER EVERYONES LEVEL OF UNITY. The key is, PEOPLE MUST CHOOSE TO UNITE, OUT OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL. This is the choice a free democratic society leaves to us, as individuals. There should be no permanant government regulation to force a permanant level of unity on any aspect of society. People must be dynamic, on an individual level, and choose, at will, to unite to overcome common obstacles, sometimes at the cost of personal sacrafice, such as comfort level, or net worth. This requires a level of moral commonplace in a society, and in a free deomcratic society, this is the role religon plays. This is also the flaw in a free democratic society, because for it to work properly, it requires every individual involved to have a level of moral conviction with a self regulating minimum standard. Democracy leaves moral conviction to the individual, as a given. (Leaving moral choice to the individual human seems to be the flaw, so, the flaw is in humanity, not democracy, just to clarify) This is also where capitolism can greatly influance a democratic society. The persuit of personal wealth can significantly alter the focus of the self regulating minimum stanadard of morality. People have a misconception, and tend to think that Democracy and Capitolism are the same thing, BUT THEY ARE NOT, and the combination of these two ideologies is a volatile and restless one. It creates a very rough sea, that requires much wisdom and individual personal self regulation to navigate. It is most unfortunate, but seems to be the ever more apparent truth, that humans at their current level, lack this wisdom. "Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither" --Benjamin Franlkin No one ever said freedom was safe. Upon true understanding of the concepts of freedom, you shall realize that freedom is the most dangerous choice of lifestyle. There are no guarantees in freedom but those one provides for themselves, at their own will. True freedom comes with extreme personal risk. Are you willing to take the risk? Thread: No One Ever Said Freedom Was Safe - A Short Thesis on Gun Control ------------------------ Other Interesting Threads by Tantalus: Thread: Anunnaki, Nibiru, Brown Dwarfs, and Gravitational Time Dilation Thread: Amazing Connection!! The Great Pyramid was a Weapon. Valles Marineris the Result? Thread: The True Nature of the Simulation Thread: The Fractal Nature of Time and Matter, The Higgs Field and The Inter-Cosmic Macro-Fractal Electro-Chemical Brain. |