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Why is there no such thing as a Believer turned ATHEIST? Where you all at?

 
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Why is there no such thing as a Believer turned ATHEIST? Where you all at?
If Jesus is such a sham?

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Re: Why is there no such thing as a Believer turned ATHEIST? Where you all at?
wtf? that happens alot.. -.-

MANY people drop religion as a whole like a plaque and turn atheist

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Re: Why is there no such thing as a Believer turned ATHEIST? Where you all at?
shit, everyone believes at first, just like santa claus, until they figure out its bullshit..

you got it backwards son
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Re: Why is there no such thing as a Believer turned ATHEIST? Where you all at?
If Jesus is such a sham?

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Have seen people on the net claiming to be believers turned atheists, can happen that way too.
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If Jesus is such a sham?

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Almost every athiest in the western world was a christian or jew turned athiest. I grew up catholic and am now an athiest and most of my friends grew up christian and become athiests around the end of high school or start of college. An educated man needs some tangible evidence and since there is none we move on to more important things in life. I respect your beliefs but come on are you actually saying no believers ever become athiests?
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Re: Why is there no such thing as a Believer turned ATHEIST? Where you all at?
No, I'm talking about Jesus believers. Shouldn't there be THRONGS of them if he's such a sham?

Also, way to fail to push "play" on the whole point of this video guys. You have to listen to the vid.

A Christians is defined as someone who hears his voice and FOLLOWS Him. No one was even called "Christians" until Antioch. No real Christian turns atheist.
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If Jesus is such a sham?

skip to 4:30 mark.


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Have seen people on the net claiming to be believers turned atheists, can happen that way too.
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yeah but the chriatians will say "They were never really belevers in the first place"

So if an athiest becomes a christian..does that mean they were never REALLY athiests to begin with?

Christians are SUCH utter fuckheads.
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Re: Why is there no such thing as a Believer turned ATHEIST? Where you all at?
No, I'm talking about Jesus believers. Shouldn't there be THRONGS of them if he's such a sham?

Also, way to fail to push "play" on the whole point of this video guys. You have to listen to the vid.

A Christians is defined as someone who hears his voice and FOLLOWS Him. No one was even called "Christians" until Antioch. No real Christian turns atheist.
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Ah, so this is about who's a True Christian and who's a poser?
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yeah but the chriatians will say "They were never really belevers in the first place"
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Absolutely - the split-second anyone even starts to stray from whatever the 12 steps are this week, you're supposed to disown them ;)
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Re: Why is there no such thing as a Believer turned ATHEIST? Where you all at?
If Jesus is such a sham?

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Almost every athiest in the western world was a christian or jew turned athiest. I grew up catholic and am now an athiest and most of my friends grew up christian and become athiests around the end of high school or start of college. An educated man needs some tangible evidence and since there is none we move on to more important things in life. I respect your beliefs but come on are you actually saying no believers ever become athiests?
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I'm saying that "A Christians is defined as someone who hears his voice and FOLLOWS Him. No one was even called "Christians" until Antioch. No real Christian turns atheist. Shouldn't there be masses of them on GLP? And as far as the catholic "religious" types. Sorry. it does not mean u were a Christ follower. it's a matter of the heart. Not if you go to a building on Sundays and go through a ritual. Everyone has to agree that's ridiculous and a concoction of men.
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Re: Why is there no such thing as a Believer turned ATHEIST? Where you all at?
If Jesus is such a sham?

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Have seen people on the net claiming to be believers turned atheists, can happen that way too.
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yeah but the chriatians will say "They were never really belevers in the first place"

So if an athiest becomes a christian..does that mean they were never REALLY athiests to begin with?

Christians are SUCH utter fuckheads.
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yeah. Athiest are kind of fuckheads too. REGARDLESS of that, screw religion. What about the truth?

Yes, a Christian could say that (what you mention above) to try to "win" an argument. But what about the ACTUAL truth of those that are beleivers. Isn't it telling that there are none of these types out there? Where's the throngs of people who can they were totally learning and walking as adults as Jesus, following commandments. Trying. But then said no, it sucks. I'm out. Shouldn't there be many example others than some catholics who worship a guy who sits on a gold throne?
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Re: Why is there no such thing as a Believer turned ATHEIST? Where you all at?
shit, everyone believes at first, just like santa claus, until they figure out its bullshit..

you got it backwards son
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yes that, but it took me 40 years to figure that out and I have a 148 IQ, religion destroyed my life.
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Re: Why is there no such thing as a Believer turned ATHEIST? Where you all at?
Correct me if I'm wrong, OP, but the assertion boils down to this:

"Jesus is validated by our conclusion that those who fell away were not really following Him."

?

Yikes.
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Re: Why is there no such thing as a Believer turned ATHEIST? Where you all at?
No, I'm talking about Jesus believers. Shouldn't there be THRONGS of them if he's such a sham?

Also, way to fail to push "play" on the whole point of this video guys. You have to listen to the vid.

A Christians is defined as someone who hears his voice and FOLLOWS Him. No one was even called "Christians" until Antioch. No real Christian turns atheist.
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Ah, so this is about who's a True Christian and who's a poser?
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sort of but one step beyond that. It's a fair question. How come there aren't more people who really followed His Word. Maybe they didn't even go to church maybe they did who cares. I'm talking about those that did the research to see how this fit into science, history and geology maybe. Then said "no the bible isn't real. i'm going to believe in nothing supernatural, all just by chance"

Where is this huge demographic at? Not on GLP. just a few stragglers who say they went to a building back in the day for a little while. Not a Jesus believer. It should be massive numbers if what the atheist say is true. Yet it's not. Isn't that a bit of a mystery?
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None of the folks who ever went to live on Rigel IV have ever come back, so it must be real and they're still there!
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Isn't that a bit of a mystery?
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Not really. The internet is full of ex-Christians who tossed the whole thing out, but you're disqualifying them from your proposition by judging that they weren't truly following Christ.
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Re: Why is there no such thing as a Believer turned ATHEIST? Where you all at?
Correct me if I'm wrong, OP, but the assertion boils down to this:

"Jesus is validated by our conclusion that those who fell away were not really following Him."

?

Yikes.
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No, the question of Jesus being validated is not in question. The simple question is how come those that did try to understand His message. (I'm talking truly tried without ego etc) never go back?
It's about this group. It's about the atheist or non believer who has come from real learning or some period of time in walking. This number, doesn't seem to exist. That's the emphasis.
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Re: Why is there no such thing as a Believer turned ATHEIST? Where you all at?
shit, everyone believes at first, just like santa claus, until they figure out its bullshit..

you got it backwards son
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yes that, but it took me 40 years to figure that out and I have a 148 IQ, religion destroyed my life.
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it took me 30 years and i have an iq of 137 (many genius's share this iq).. only after god destroyed me and made his world devour me whole when there was nothing but me/spirit left is when i rose up and made my way to higher ground.. that being said fuck the religions of this world and fuck their gods/demons..
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shit, everyone believes at first, just like santa claus, until they figure out its bullshit..

you got it backwards son
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yes that, but it took me 40 years to figure that out and I have a 148 IQ, religion destroyed my life.
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very sorry to hear that, only took me until about age 14-15 til i knew there was something wrong with the general "official story" of things
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Re: Why is there no such thing as a Believer turned ATHEIST? Where you all at?
shit, everyone believes at first, just like santa claus, until they figure out its bullshit..

you got it backwards son
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yes that, but it took me 40 years to figure that out and I have a 148 IQ, religion destroyed my life.
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it took me 30 years and i have an iq of 137 (many genius's share this iq).. only after god destroyed me and made his world devour me whole when there was nothing but me/spirit left is when i rose up and made my way to higher ground.. that being said fuck the religions of this world and fuck their gods/demons..
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Isn't that a bit of a mystery?
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Not really. The internet is full of ex-Christians who tossed the whole thing out, but you're disqualifying them from your proposition by judging that they weren't truly following Christ.
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Is it really "full of them" or is it just a few stragglers who say they went to a building back in the day for a little while? If your premise is true then how come this crazy community isn't full of them? This is a fair question (?)
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So we, conscious living entities, came from lifeless matter (aka abiogenesis), which by the way currently has zero proof?
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Re: Why is there no such thing as a Believer turned ATHEIST? Where you all at?
shit, everyone believes at first, just like santa claus, until they figure out its bullshit..

you got it backwards son
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yes that, but it took me 40 years to figure that out and I have a 148 IQ, religion destroyed my life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21304598


it took me 30 years and i have an iq of 137 (many genius's share this iq).. only after god destroyed me and made his world devour me whole when there was nothing but me/spirit left is when i rose up and made my way to higher ground.. that being said fuck the religions of this world and fuck their gods/demons..
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Who could disagree with you? Religion is a pathetic mess. No Christian would I don't think. But after all that it still comes down to something has to be right. All can not be. "Mutual exclusivity"
Since you are of high I.Q. you do see the genius behind the smoke screen and confusion of religion right. It was by design for this very effect.
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Re: Why is there no such thing as a Believer turned ATHEIST? Where you all at?
shit, everyone believes at first, just like santa claus, until they figure out its bullshit..

you got it backwards son
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So because santa is made up. Jesus must be too? Also, did you do your own research comparing the science, geography, history of the bible or just watch some you tube videos and get on the bandwagon of loser churchier than thou types? Screw them they are freaks too.
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Re: Why is there no such thing as a Believer turned ATHEIST? Where you all at?
So we, conscious living entities, came from lifeless matter (aka abiogenesis), which by the way currently has zero proof?
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Funny how no one ever tests with good sources on archeology, and history. Never has it contradicted the bible. not once.
The point of the bible was not to explain science principles people. Just a document for something to go by in this crazy life.
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Re: Why is there no such thing as a Believer turned ATHEIST? Where you all at?
shit, everyone believes at first, just like santa claus, until they figure out its bullshit..

you got it backwards son
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So because santa is made up. Jesus must be too? Also, did you do your own research comparing the science, geography, history of the bible or just watch some you tube videos and get on the bandwagon of loser churchier than thou types? Screw them they are freaks too.
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no son, i have a brain... and it works very well, 'magine that? HEEYUCK!
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Re: Why is there no such thing as a Believer turned ATHEIST? Where you all at?
No, I'm talking about Jesus believers. Shouldn't there be THRONGS of them if he's such a sham?


A Christians is defined as someone who hears his voice and FOLLOWS Him. No one was even called "Christians" until Antioch. No real Christian turns atheist.
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Your thread title is misleading. It is not "believers" he is discussing. It is Jesus followers, AKA Christians, in his definition of the term.

Why there are not throngs of his definition of Christians turned atheist? Simmons answers that at the end of the vid. There are not that many "Christians" to begin with.

Nothing like the old No True Scotsman argument.

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Re: Why is there no such thing as a Believer turned ATHEIST? Where you all at?
wtf? that happens alot.. -.-

MANY people drop religion as a whole like a plaque and turn atheist
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I went from a regular church goer to an aetheist when I was a teen. I figured all the crap that was happening to me & all the unanswered prayers - God didn't exist.

My eyes were opened 3 years later & I became a believer again. Haven't turned back.
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wtf? that happens alot.. -.-

MANY people drop religion as a whole like a plaque and turn atheist
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I went from a regular church goer to an aetheist when I was a teen. I figured all the crap that was happening to me & all the unanswered prayers - God didn't exist.

My eyes were opened 3 years later & I became a believer again. Haven't turned back.
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Living without fear was too much for ya eh?

So you HAD to return to what you knew.

because...

One thing all christians have in common is

1)FEAR..they fear demons..they fear hell..they fear god..the fear sin..they fear sinning. Their whole lives DWELL on and IN and THROUGH FEAR. Get them together in large groups and the fear FEEDS of itself.

2)WEAKNESS. They NEED to hang around others like themselves so as not to give in to their SELF confessed "WEAKNESSES". Its all about BEING weak. The weaker you are the HOLIER you are. They THRIVE on weakness. They make millions from it. They sell books to "Strenghten" the weak knees. Its all about being utter and total WUSSES.

3)SICKNESS. Its their favourite hobby. You want to see SICK UNHEALED SUFFERING PEOEPLE..go to a church. They CLAMOUR for healing for all their "SICKNESSES"..of the mind..of the body..of the soul..its ALL based around being SICK and WEAK and CONSTANTLY in FEAR.

TRY it..go to almost any church for at least three weeks in a row so you can get the gist of what they are on about..what they say and think and do when they are together...what the sermons are always about besides MONEY.

TRY it..and see SICKNESS and WEAKNESS and FEAR..in all its glory.
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I went from a regular church goer to an aetheist when I was a teen. I figured all the crap that was happening to me & all the unanswered prayers - God didn't exist.

My eyes were opened 3 years later & I became a believer again. Haven't turned back.
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Living without fear was too much for ya eh?

So you HAD to return to what you knew.

because...

One thing all christians have in common is

1)FEAR..they fear demons..they fear hell..they fear god..the fear sin..they fear sinning. Their whole lives DWELL on and IN and THROUGH FEAR. Get them together in large groups and the fear FEEDS of itself.

2)WEAKNESS. They NEED to hang around others like themselves so as not to give in to their SELF confessed "WEAKNESSES". Its all about BEING weak. The weaker you are the HOLIER you are. They THRIVE on weakness. They make millions from it. They sell books to "Strenghten" the weak knees. Its all about being utter and total WUSSES.

3)SICKNESS. Its their favourite hobby. You want to see SICK UNHEALED SUFFERING PEOEPLE..go to a church. They CLAMOUR for healing for all their "SICKNESSES"..of the mind..of the body..of the soul..its ALL based around being SICK and WEAK and CONSTANTLY in FEAR.

TRY it..go to almost any church for at least three weeks in a row so you can get the gist of what they are on about..what they say and think and do when they are together...what the sermons are always about besides MONEY.

TRY it..and see SICKNESS and WEAKNESS and FEAR..in all its glory.
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I didn't exactly go back to what I knew. Instead of Sunday, I now keep Sabbath on Saturday.

Instead of the pagan holidays I was keeping, I now keep the festivals of Lev. 23.

I've been miraculously healed a few times. Technically I shouldn't be alive but I am.

I've had visions that saved my life a few times over. Didn't have those when I was a Sunday keeper, pagan holiday keeper.
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