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Great analysis. But I think there's one facet of this whole N. Korea thing that not enough people are mentioning.
I don't have firm figures, but would guess that at least 80% of news (or quotes) attributed to N. Korea are made up out of thin air by western media.
Look at the majority of GLP threads claiming some new threat or statement made by NK.
Most will cite CNN, CNBC, the State Department or Yonhap (S. Korea) as the source. Then go to the official NK news outlet and see what they are saying.
[link to www.kcna.co.jp]
In nearly every case, what the western media is playing up as a NK threat is simply a NK response to a western threat or can't be found period.
Having observed this NK = boogie man behavior by the western MSM(and governments) I'm lead to believe the whole situation has been blown out of proportion.
So why would the west do this?
1)
Well, nothing gets a nation, or nations as patriotic and behind their leaders as an external threat. Especially when said leaders are falling out of favor. Throughout history you'll see many examples of failed leaders rallying their subjects behind them once an external threat seems imminent.
2)
When an economy is failing, as is the US and much of the western world, a war is a great way to put it back on the rails. Just look at the effects WW1 and WW2 had.
3)
The Military Industrial Complex needs a steady stream of new conflicts to keep the profits rolling in.
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We might have us a cat fight on our hands. And once a pair of women decide to destroy one another, it's a fight to the death with no action to evil to contemplate, and the possibility of one's own demise no consideration (so long as the enemy is also destroyed in the process).
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Oh, that is so funny! Especially to us men.

It is also such BS. The above description of a "cat fight" is the status quo for male leaders since fights using militaries began.

Fight to the death with no action too evil? Sounds like a lot like the bombing of Dresden and London in that "cat fight" in WWII, in the same way that neither the North Vietcom seemed to be restrained by chivalrous warfare. A little more modern would seem to be Gulf War I when the US and partners bombed the retreating highway of cars and Sadam torched hundreds of oil wells in Kuwait. Even the fight against terrorism included ruthless attacks on civilians (9/11 - whomever is really responsible) and the liberal use of torture (possibly justifiable but a little shocking.

No demise for one's own demise has been a hallmark of tons of male commanders throughout history.

It is just pure 100% bullshit that is so typical of GLP. . . point out a problem that seems to be the fault of one broad sweeping truth which is far more complex and actions must be evaluated individually. So much so that it seemsd worth it to walk step by step through this post and show that it simply applies to "leaders" and not another label.
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I'm a woman; I know how much better at behind-the-scenes machinations we are compared to men. Case in point, I've lost count of the number of times I've gotten a rise out of you (which I dearly love to do).

Careful, sweetie. Your pretty pearls will disintegrate soon if you don't quit clutching them like that in response to every other post around here.
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As a matter of fact, it wouldn't surprise me if one of us were secretly behind every one of the incidents you mentioned above.

*kisses*
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All true.

NK is a fabricated ennemy the same goes with Iran.

Iran has not attacked any other nation in several hundred years.
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Yeah.. but.. North Korea has.
I don't think Iran is a threat, I think that's Israel hyping them up because they want to attack. North Korea is completely different. To deny that is playing ignorant. I'd live in Iran a thousand times over before I'd live in North Korea. North Korea does do the crazy things they are accused of.
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HEY OP

I THINK THE NORTH KOREA BS IS PAST ITS USED BY DATE

HOMO
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HEY OP

I THINK THE NORTH KOREA BS IS PAST ITS USED BY DATE

HOMO
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Nah. It rides til the 16th at least. The day after Great Leader's birthday.
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All true.

NK is a fabricated ennemy the same goes with Iran.

Iran has not attacked any other nation in several hundred years.
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Yeah.. but.. North Korea has.
I don't think Iran is a threat, I think that's Israel hyping them up because they want to attack. North Korea is completely different. To deny that is playing ignorant. I'd live in Iran a thousand times over before I'd live in North Korea. North Korea does do the crazy things they are accused of.
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Ya, they're wacky bastards for sure. BUT I don't think in this case they're as wacky as the west is making them out to be. At least I sure hope not.
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SHR, what you have wrote here is completely wrong, because it starts wrong.

Good history and geography lesson...however, nothing to do with the ISSUE.


"At this point China is becoming a bit tired of NK and their overt berserkness".


Now this is a jewel.SERIOUSLY? WHO the hell told ya this? Was China's President ? China's Party Comitee ?
You are eating the above shit like you ate the "they don't have the capability to mount nukes on missiles" shit.



EVERYTHING you think it is true, well, it is NOT.




Let me ask you something, genius : Since EVERYBODY knows that US cannot pay his debt to China (among the others), HOW will China collect it?



If you cannot see the answer...you lived for nothing on this planet as a GLP member and moderator.If you were some sheep or zombie, I would understood.

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Because, it's one thing to build the A-Bomb like what they've demonstrated. It's an entirely different thing to stick it onto a rocket, blast it halfway around the world, and have it hit remotely on target. With out it burning up in the atmosphere. What is concerning is that they have successfully launched a satellite. Which means the capability to put something the size of an A-bomb on the top of a rocket is there.

However, bear in mind that the US and Russia didn't have a working ICBM until 1957-1958. Many years after the first A-Bomb was tested.

Rockets are tricky things, and they don't always work the way you want them to. I read in a book that in the early days of rocketry, to be called a rocket scientist wasn't necessarily a complement. It was seen as a form of quakery, because the rockets failed so often. It comes down to a perfect mixture of fuel and an oxidizer, and proper cooling on the rocket nozzle and combustion chamber. Otherwise you'll melt the nozzle and cause a failure.
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While I see your points and tend towards agreement on most if not all of them, in the interest of playing devils advocate and hopefully advancing the conversation, I will ask a couple more things.

North Korea may not require the same "tweak and compile" type of development that we were forced into when developing our first ICBM's. Since the work has been done by multiple countries already, it comes down to finding or creating the right people with the right experience to recreate the hardware. They accomplished this type of advancement when they were able to get nuclear development and research information out of Pakistan a few years back.

I do agree that it isn't quite so simple as slapping together an Estes and going nuts with a package of C6-7's in your local park. I know from my own job though that previous research and work tend to be a much bigger part in most any project than original research or work. As I don't work on rockets or nukes, I don't know if this applies to the same extent. I would be willing to bet that it has a much bigger role than we suspect though.

All that being said, do you think that North Korea's international "friendships", when considering the technical level of those various friends, might have had an intellectual or even physical influence on their ICBM and/or nuclear development? Without knowing the specific information they were given, do you think that the information might have accelerated those programs? If so, by how much?

Again, thanks for the great thread.
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I think to a certain extent your right that the "tweek and compile time" would be lessened to a certain extent. Because, of possible experts and computational power. However, how many true no shit rocket scientists are in the world? And, how many of them are unemployed? What country on earth would let one of their rocket scientists, with that countries secrets on rocket technology go? How many of these rocket scientists are actually sympathetic to North Korea? I hope you see that the numbers are dwindling down to only a couple.

Now we come down to the matter of making the fuel, and the processes for that. Rocket fuel and Oxidizers aren't the most friendly chemicals. In fact some of them are down right corrosive, and dangerous to manufacture. I read one story where Parsons and company where in the desert, and one of the oxidizer tanks blew open. And a brown cloud of toxic gas was released and turned their skin green! You need to have skilled chemists to do the proper chemical reactions to create the crap. Or it could literally blow up in their faces. Same chain of questions, how many chemists have knowledge on the process of making these chemicals? And so on down the line...

I think they may have the information, but as I believe Werner Von Braun said "One Experiment is worth a thousand expert opinions." They still have a lot of testing to do before they make it right. And, whether or not they have the resources for that. I highly doubt.
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Yes, hydrazine and fuming red nitric acid could be considered a tad corrosive and unfriendly. Which alone is another good reason they should not be launching over Japan.
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If any kind of attack was coming they would not advertise it, other wise your enemy would be ready for it.
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Tonight our local news reported that North Korea threatened to nuke Colorado Springs, CO but they have the location wrong. Instead they are pointing around Shreveport, LA

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First of all Kim Un isn't going to be nuking anyone with an atomic warhead on any missile, they don't have the ability to do that, regardless of what any "intelligence" agency is speculating about. Even IF they could, which they cannot, I seriously doubt anyone, even the crazyass North Koreans are in the mood for suicide anytime soon, they just aren't that stupid. They also aren't going to EMP'ing anyone or using any other sort of exotic weapons, so you can forget the hyped up bullshit, we all know that kind of crap never happens anyway.

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Japan will shoot down any "test" that intrudes on its air space. There is a shit lot of ocean for NK to test their missiles in. The fact that they want the missile to overfly Japan just doesn't make any sense, unless the so called test is not a test at all, but the real thing.

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Actually only the US, Russia, China and india have ICBMs...Israel is suspected to, but that's it. A few other countries have some sub-launched ICBM's...france and the UK notably. North Korea is supposed to "developing" , but so far...they do not have any that have been succesful.

ICBMs are not as prevelent as you sound like you believe.

Russia and or China are also not going to be selling or giving any away anytime soon, if those are the friends who you mention.

There are 9 countries on earth that have nuclear weapons...North Koera is included that short list, so is Israel which has never been confirmed to actually have nukes, I believe they do.

I'm not sure who you refer to with all their friends having atomic bombs?
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When I refer to their friends having nukes, I am talking specifically about Iran(probable), China, and Russia to an extent. The Pakistan thing was simply a guy selling secrets if I remember right. In that light, I don't consider Pakistan a friend of NK, but do considering them complicit in the development of the North Korean nukes and ICBM's/IRBM's since they seem to be unable or unwilling to keep tabs on their scientists.

I am not trying to make out like having ICBM's is a normal thing that every country has. I am simply trying to bring to light the potential for another country to have invested time, money, research or materials in their little commie puppet. It isn't beyond the pale of reason for this to have occurred at some point and with a potentially significant impact on one or both of the programs in question.

While I agree that it is unlikely that Russia or China would transfer nukes or ICBM's to the North Koreans, we have a history to look at with Russia and how they tend to play international politics by dropping nuclear missiles into 3rd world shit holes from time to time just to piss off the US. We can't discount their past behavior just because decades have passed since the last known incidence of this.

I guess I don't see the legitimate need for North Korea to have working ICBM's in order to deliver their weapons systems. It would probably make things much easier on them and would provide a multitude of attack options but is hardly required for delivery of a nuclear weapon.

One other thing I just thought of is the Chinese stance on Taiwan. China has repeated over the years that they consider Taiwan a part of their nation, regardless of the Taiwanese extended period of self governance. As the Korean peninsula belonged to China for a period and has been influenced by China during much of its existence as one organized government or another, does China have the same thoughts concerning Korea as a wayward part of China that they do when concerning Taiwan? Would this change any of your previous conclusions if it were fact?
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Great analysis. But I think there's one facet of this whole N. Korea thing that not enough people are mentioning.
I don't have firm figures, but would guess that at least 80% of news (or quotes) attributed to N. Korea are made up out of thin air by western media.
Look at the majority of GLP threads claiming some new threat or statement made by NK.
Most will cite CNN, CNBC, the State Department or Yonhap (S. Korea) as the source. Then go to the official NK news outlet and see what they are saying.
[link to www.kcna.co.jp]
In nearly every case, what the western media is playing up as a NK threat is simply a NK response to a western threat or can't be found period.
Having observed this NK = boogie man behavior by the western MSM(and governments) I'm lead to believe the whole situation has been blown out of proportion.
So why would the west do this?
1)
Well, nothing gets a nation, or nations as patriotic and behind their leaders as an external threat. Especially when said leaders are falling out of favor. Throughout history you'll see many examples of failed leaders rallying their subjects behind them once an external threat seems imminent.
2)
When an economy is failing, as is the US and much of the western world, a war is a great way to put it back on the rails. Just look at the effects WW1 and WW2 had.
3)
The Military Industrial Complex needs a steady stream of new conflicts to keep the profits rolling in.
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Well done.

The whole story is fiction.

NK is merely reacting to actions taken by the evil Rothschild empire through their proxy war machine the US.


Both Iran and NK don't have Rothchild central banks and it is imperative that they do, before the Rothchilds can collapse the system and implement their one world currency.

They cannot do this, as long as their are still what they deem as "rogue" states.
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Actually only the US, Russia, China and india have ICBMs...Israel is suspected to, but that's it. A few other countries have some sub-launched ICBM's...france and the UK notably. North Korea is supposed to "developing" , but so far...they do not have any that have been succesful.

ICBMs are not as prevelent as you sound like you believe.

Russia and or China are also not going to be selling or giving any away anytime soon, if those are the friends who you mention.

There are 9 countries on earth that have nuclear weapons...North Koera is included that short list, so is Israel which has never been confirmed to actually have nukes, I believe they do.

I'm not sure who you refer to with all their friends having atomic bombs?
 Quoting: SHR


When I refer to their friends having nukes, I am talking specifically about Iran(probable), China, and Russia to an extent. The Pakistan thing was simply a guy selling secrets if I remember right. In that light, I don't consider Pakistan a friend of NK, but do considering them complicit in the development of the North Korean nukes and ICBM's/IRBM's since they seem to be unable or unwilling to keep tabs on their scientists.

I am not trying to make out like having ICBM's is a normal thing that every country has. I am simply trying to bring to light the potential for another country to have invested time, money, research or materials in their little commie puppet. It isn't beyond the pale of reason for this to have occurred at some point and with a potentially significant impact on one or both of the programs in question.

While I agree that it is unlikely that Russia or China would transfer nukes or ICBM's to the North Koreans, we have a history to look at with Russia and how they tend to play international politics by dropping nuclear missiles into 3rd world shit holes from time to time just to piss off the US. We can't discount their past behavior just because decades have passed since the last known incidence of this.

I guess I don't see the legitimate need for North Korea to have working ICBM's in order to deliver their weapons systems. It would probably make things much easier on them and would provide a multitude of attack options but is hardly required for delivery of a nuclear weapon.

One other thing I just thought of is the Chinese stance on Taiwan. China has repeated over the years that they consider Taiwan a part of their nation, regardless of the Taiwanese extended period of self governance. As the Korean peninsula belonged to China for a period and has been influenced by China during much of its existence as one organized government or another, does China have the same thoughts concerning Korea as a wayward part of China that they do when concerning Taiwan? Would this change any of your previous conclusions if it were fact?
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Hmmm... Your last paragraph I find intriguing. I don't think that's something that's easily answered. I think the large part with China, is their government is very tough to read. We don't know what their thinking, because their so guarded. Not like our government where our members never shut up.
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My money for first post WWII nuke strike is still on a group of extremists taking control of Pakistan's and having a go at India or Israel. Or possibly just whoever it is already aimed at, depending on how smart they are.

But that would be more of a lucky accident for the folks involved.
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We might have us a cat fight on our hands. And once a pair of women decide to destroy one another, it's a fight to the death with no action to evil to contemplate, and the possibility of one's own demise no consideration (so long as the enemy is also destroyed in the process).
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Oh, that is so funny! Especially to us men.

It is also such BS. The above description of a "cat fight" is the status quo for male leaders since fights using militaries began.

Fight to the death with no action too evil? Sounds like a lot like the bombing of Dresden and London in that "cat fight" in WWII, in the same way that neither the North Vietcom seemed to be restrained by chivalrous warfare. A little more modern would seem to be Gulf War I when the US and partners bombed the retreating highway of cars and Sadam torched hundreds of oil wells in Kuwait. Even the fight against terrorism included ruthless attacks on civilians (9/11 - whomever is really responsible) and the liberal use of torture (possibly justifiable but a little shocking.

No demise for one's own demise has been a hallmark of tons of male commanders throughout history.

It is just pure 100% bullshit that is so typical of GLP. . . point out a problem that seems to be the fault of one broad sweeping truth which is far more complex and actions must be evaluated individually. So much so that it seemsd worth it to walk step by step through this post and show that it simply applies to "leaders" and not another label.
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I'm a woman; I know how much better at behind-the-scenes machinations we are compared to men. Case in point, I've lost count of the number of times I've gotten a rise out of you (which I dearly love to do).

Careful, sweetie. Your pretty pearls will disintegrate soon if you don't quit clutching them like that in response to every other post around here.
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Meh, I have been posting lots b/c this week seems to bring out the worst in many - including me at times and admitted it.

I don't care if you are a man or a woman. I didn't assume either way, I said "us" men as reference to me and the examples I was about to list I am not sure how "getting a rise out of me" is proof that women are better at inside machinations, as you said, plenty of men and women are wonderfully equal in terms of "getting a rise" out of me and believe me sweetie you are not any different than the many men - seems to prove my point - doesn't matter who - both can do it.

Yes, well sweetie while I am carefully clutching my pearls and you are sharpening your knives, there is much to see and consider about one's inclinations - least I think so.

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Well its always a good time to ramp up the diplomacy, try the peace card first.

There was another scenario SHR overlooked, that being its a fizza, Kims fire cracker shits itself on the launch pad setting the program, and rice rations back by another year or so.
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Great analysis. But I think there's one facet of this whole N. Korea thing that not enough people are mentioning.
I don't have firm figures, but would guess that at least 80% of news (or quotes) attributed to N. Korea are made up out of thin air by western media.
Look at the majority of GLP threads claiming some new threat or statement made by NK.
Most will cite CNN, CNBC, the State Department or Yonhap (S. Korea) as the source. Then go to the official NK news outlet and see what they are saying.
[link to www.kcna.co.jp]
In nearly every case, what the western media is playing up as a NK threat is simply a NK response to a western threat or can't be found period.
Having observed this NK = boogie man behavior by the western MSM(and governments) I'm lead to believe the whole situation has been blown out of proportion.
So why would the west do this?
1)
Well, nothing gets a nation, or nations as patriotic and behind their leaders as an external threat. Especially when said leaders are falling out of favor. Throughout history you'll see many examples of failed leaders rallying their subjects behind them once an external threat seems imminent.
2)
When an economy is failing, as is the US and much of the western world, a war is a great way to put it back on the rails. Just look at the effects WW1 and WW2 had.
3)
The Military Industrial Complex needs a steady stream of new conflicts to keep the profits rolling in.
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Well done.

The whole story is fiction.

NK is merely reacting to actions taken by the evil Rothschild empire through their proxy war machine the US.


Both Iran and NK don't have Rothchild central banks and it is imperative that they do, before the Rothchilds can collapse the system and implement their one world currency.

They cannot do this, as long as their are still what they deem as "rogue" states.
 Quoting: IRQ_1


Quite true.
From the Cold War to Korea they have followed this strategy.
Here's a good link with more perspective.
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I sorta agree with some of the statement you made OP. However and I understand not everyone shares this view but I do believe that we are in the end days as the Bible predicted. I have a feeling this is more of a spiritual situation as it is logic, power, etc.

The leaders of the world are beginning to get drunk on the Wine of War. They love the feeling and thoughts of conquest, power, dominion.

The evil are growing more evil.

If this was a world that had no God and was just men trying to be logical all the time then I would totally agree with everything you said.

Yet, when a spirit of war enters into a nation, a government, the leader I have a feeling no one can predict what will soon follow.

However I am not trying to argue or contradict anything you said.

It was all very well articulated and spoken. You really do see the forest and not just the tree.

Give it a 5 star and some good Karma to you my friend.

Let's hope nothing bad happens and men do use good judgement.
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Great analysis. But I think there's one facet of this whole N. Korea thing that not enough people are mentioning.
I don't have firm figures, but would guess that at least 80% of news (or quotes) attributed to N. Korea are made up out of thin air by western media.
Look at the majority of GLP threads claiming some new threat or statement made by NK.
Most will cite CNN, CNBC, the State Department or Yonhap (S. Korea) as the source. Then go to the official NK news outlet and see what they are saying.
[link to www.kcna.co.jp]
In nearly every case, what the western media is playing up as a NK threat is simply a NK response to a western threat or can't be found period.
Having observed this NK = boogie man behavior by the western MSM(and governments) I'm lead to believe the whole situation has been blown out of proportion.
So why would the west do this?
1)
Well, nothing gets a nation, or nations as patriotic and behind their leaders as an external threat. Especially when said leaders are falling out of favor. Throughout history you'll see many examples of failed leaders rallying their subjects behind them once an external threat seems imminent.
2)
When an economy is failing, as is the US and much of the western world, a war is a great way to put it back on the rails. Just look at the effects WW1 and WW2 had.
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The Military Industrial Complex needs a steady stream of new conflicts to keep the profits rolling in.
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Well done.

The whole story is fiction.

NK is merely reacting to actions taken by the evil Rothschild empire through their proxy war machine the US.


Both Iran and NK don't have Rothchild central banks and it is imperative that they do, before the Rothchilds can collapse the system and implement their one world currency.

They cannot do this, as long as their are still what they deem as "rogue" states.
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Wow, two thoughworthy and interesting posts. Intersting. I completely agree that the media has amped the entire situation up and ignore the provocations of the west.

I often wonder if NK's response is demonstative of a pre-set script meant to propel them to war OR a necessary action to assure their own people that they are strong and standing up to the big old U.S. Or both as the above suggests and they are not mutually exclusive.

I'm not as sure the whole story is "fiction" so much as "created facts" toward a "desirable end" (for some). There will not be fictional people dying, that I know.

I do hope that NK has a sense of aversion to mutual assured dstruction, which they don't show outwardly. I suspect they do and the crises will likely end at a stalemate with NK claiming victory for being too strong to be pushed around and too reasonable to slaughter its deserving enemies.
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My money for first post WWII nuke strike is still on a group of extremists taking control of Pakistan's and having a go at India or Israel. Or possibly just whoever it is already aimed at, depending on how smart they are.

But that would be more of a lucky accident for the folks involved.
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Agree completely. I've always said the next nuke that goes off will be one given by Pakistan or taken from one of those unprotected astro vans they drive their nukes around in that country.

That said.. it would be strange if NK nukes Japan and they were again the only country that has been nuked. It would suck, but that country seems to be unlucky when it comes to nuclear incidences.
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[That said.. it would be strange if NK nukes Japan and they were again the only country that has been nuked. It would suck, but that country seems to be unlucky when it comes to nuclear incidences.
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Like invading Poland-lets nuke Japan! They are already radioactive, they won't notice.
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[That said.. it would be strange if NK nukes Japan and they were again the only country that has been nuked. It would suck, but that country seems to be unlucky when it comes to nuclear incidences.
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Like invading Poland-lets nuke Japan! They are already radioactive, they won't notice.
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They will likely notice but be clueless - like me - about why they were the target in the first place. Seems like the NK - US - SK - China are the ones with national interests at stake, Japan seems. . . more like a target that NoKo could both reach and hit.

Edit to add: Yeah, I guess my response is just a more lengthy way of saying, yeah - just like Poland.

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Hitler was written off as a mad man until he kicked off.

There's a groupthink going on in North Korea.

It's a totally different mindset than those watching the PSY concert.
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It just shows how different conditioning works over 50 years.

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