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Face Palmer
User ID: 37856526 Germany 04/12/2013 09:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Atheism is the belief there is no god :) Most people don't understand this. But I would not say logic is. You can actually prove logic. Last Edited by Face Palmer on 04/12/2013 09:48 AM "The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title." Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. - H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women |
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User ID: 1149868 Germany 04/12/2013 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Atheism is the belief there is no god :) Most people don't understand this. But I would not say logic is. You can actually prove logic. Quoting: Face Palmer but that's what i mean. proving is done by your brain. How can we know for sure? If you have 2 buckets and condition is: only one is filled with water, you can verify this statement by checking wether both buckets are full. Of course, this requires sensoric proof, which in the end is created in your brain only, so we will never know for sure. But the more positive hits you receive, the higher chances are, that it actually is this way. E.g. you always fell down, never up. Last Edited by Face Palmer on 04/12/2013 09:53 AM "The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title." Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. - H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women |
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User ID: 1149868 Germany 04/12/2013 09:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess the core problem is, you cannot define logic without using logic. "The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title." Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. - H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women |
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User ID: 1149868 Germany 04/12/2013 09:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, never heard of him? I will look him up, I love stuff like this. Which book you mean exactly? Last Edited by Face Palmer on 04/12/2013 09:57 AM "The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title." Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. - H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women |
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(OP) User ID: 25749597 Canada 04/12/2013 09:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can never truly be certain of anything, but that doesn\'t mean you shouldn\'t try. Quoting: theorigionalzombiekiller And try i do. It tortures me every day. Love Bruce Campbell btws. he is super duper. Meditation goes beyond mind, hence transcending logics too. another thing. What would no logic be like? anti-logic? you could not have it logically. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1540638 United States 04/12/2013 10:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can never truly be certain of anything, but that doesn\\\'t mean you shouldn\\\'t try. Quoting: theorigionalzombiekiller And try i do. It tortures me every day. Love Bruce Campbell btws. he is super duper. Meditation goes beyond mind, hence transcending logics too. another thing. What would no logic be like? anti-logic? you could not have it logically. Your way of thinking is caught in duality of opposites. |
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(OP) User ID: 25749597 Canada 04/12/2013 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: numewenon And try i do. It tortures me every day. Love Bruce Campbell btws. he is super duper. Meditation goes beyond mind, hence transcending logics too. another thing. What would no logic be like? anti-logic? you could not have it logically. Your way of thinking is caught in duality of opposites. |
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User ID: 37910504 United States 04/12/2013 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, never heard of him? I will look him up, I love stuff like this. Which book you mean exactly? Can't remember the title. His ultimate conclusion: "The fundamental assumptions of any definitional system cannot be proven", or something to that effect. The argument goes "If...then". The "if" cannot be proven. It is assumed to be a given. A radical over-simplification; but that's the gist. Logic has to do with the fundamental structures of the consciousness of the 'thinker'. But there are other approaches to reality; for example, poetry. Poetry can never be proven. Poetry approaches the issue of truth from a completely different perspective. "The moon was a ghostly galleon, tossed upon cloudy seas" is, for example, a truth; but it cannot be proven, nevertheless. Michael |
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(OP) User ID: 25749597 Canada 04/12/2013 10:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, never heard of him? I will look him up, I love stuff like this. Which book you mean exactly? Can't remember the title. His ultimate conclusion: "The fundamental assumptions of any definitional system cannot be proven", or something to that effect. The argument goes "If...then". The "if" cannot be proven. It is assumed to be a given. A radical over-simplification; but that's the gist. Logic has to do with the fundamental structures of the consciousness of the 'thinker'. But there are other approaches to reality; for example, poetry. Poetry can never be proven. Poetry approaches the issue of truth from a completely different perspective. "The moon was a ghostly galleon, tossed upon cloudy seas" is, for example, a truth; but it cannot be proven, nevertheless. Michael Sort of like mathematics... you have your axioms as the basis. You cannot prove these "ifs" See that's where it gets all trippy to my mind. because the axiom of logic is the assumption that logic is logic. I don't know if i can write down the strange feeling it gives me in words when I think too hard about it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1540638 United States 04/12/2013 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, never heard of him? I will look him up, I love stuff like this. Which book you mean exactly? Can\'t remember the title. His ultimate conclusion: \"The fundamental assumptions of any definitional system cannot be proven\", or something to that effect. The argument goes \"If...then\". The \"if\" cannot be proven. It is assumed to be a given. A radical over-simplification; but that\'s the gist. Logic has to do with the fundamental structures of the consciousness of the \'thinker\'. But there are other approaches to reality; for example, poetry. Poetry can never be proven. Poetry approaches the issue of truth from a completely different perspective. \"The moon was a ghostly galleon, tossed upon cloudy seas\" is, for example, a truth; but it cannot be proven, nevertheless. Michael Sort of like mathematics... you have your axioms as the basis. You cannot prove these \"ifs\" See that\'s where it gets all trippy to my mind. because the axiom of logic is the assumption that logic is logic. I don\'t know if i can write down the strange feeling it gives me in words when I think too hard about it. The proof is empirical. |
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User ID: 37910504 United States 04/12/2013 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, never heard of him? I will look him up, I love stuff like this. Which book you mean exactly? Can't remember the title. His ultimate conclusion: "The fundamental assumptions of any definitional system cannot be proven", or something to that effect. The argument goes "If...then". The "if" cannot be proven. It is assumed to be a given. A radical over-simplification; but that's the gist. Logic has to do with the fundamental structures of the consciousness of the 'thinker'. But there are other approaches to reality; for example, poetry. Poetry can never be proven. Poetry approaches the issue of truth from a completely different perspective. "The moon was a ghostly galleon, tossed upon cloudy seas" is, for example, a truth; but it cannot be proven, nevertheless. Michael Sort of like mathematics... you have your axioms as the basis. You cannot prove these "ifs" See that's where it gets all trippy to my mind. because the axiom of logic is the assumption that logic is logic. I don't know if i can write down the strange feeling it gives me in words when I think too hard about it. Right. Popper was a mathematician first. What you are experiencing is the transition between dimensions of consciousness; between the consciousness of the 'thinker' and the consciousness of the "self"; which can be summarized as the difference between science and logic and poetry and the lyrics of songs. But there is another dimension of consciousness beyond these two dimensions as well: [link to science-of-consciousness.blogspot.com] Ultimately, the three dimensions of consciousness is neither a logical, nor a poetical description of reality; but, rather, something that can be directly observed. Michael |
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(OP) User ID: 25749597 Canada 04/12/2013 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Face Palmer No, never heard of him? I will look him up, I love stuff like this. Which book you mean exactly? Can't remember the title. His ultimate conclusion: "The fundamental assumptions of any definitional system cannot be proven", or something to that effect. The argument goes "If...then". The "if" cannot be proven. It is assumed to be a given. A radical over-simplification; but that's the gist. Logic has to do with the fundamental structures of the consciousness of the 'thinker'. But there are other approaches to reality; for example, poetry. Poetry can never be proven. Poetry approaches the issue of truth from a completely different perspective. "The moon was a ghostly galleon, tossed upon cloudy seas" is, for example, a truth; but it cannot be proven, nevertheless. Michael Sort of like mathematics... you have your axioms as the basis. You cannot prove these "ifs" See that's where it gets all trippy to my mind. because the axiom of logic is the assumption that logic is logic. I don't know if i can write down the strange feeling it gives me in words when I think too hard about it. Right. Popper was a mathematician first. What you are experiencing is the transition between dimensions of consciousness; between the consciousness of the 'thinker' and the consciousness of the "self"; which can be summarized as the difference between science and logic and poetry and the lyrics of songs. But there is another dimension of consciousness beyond these two dimensions as well: [link to science-of-consciousness.blogspot.com] Ultimately, the three dimensions of consciousness is neither a logical, nor a poetical description of reality; but, rather, something that can be directly observed. Michael mmm yes i think this is the kind of stuff i was looking for. I'll look at it when I get back! thanks sir. |
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