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Is Logic a Belief?

 
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Any logical system that is even barely powerful enough to encompass basic arithmetic, will not be able to prove all truths.
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According to Black's Law-


Belief. A conviction of the truth of a proposition, existing subjectively in the mind, and induced by argument, persuation, or proof addressed to the judgement.

Latrobe v. J. H. Cross Co., D.C.Pa., 29 F.2d 210, 212.

A conclusion arrived at from external sources after weighing probability.

Conviction of the mind, arising not from actual perception or knowledge, but by way of inference, or from evidence recieved or information derived from others.

Knowledge is an assurance of a fact or proposition founded on perception by the senses, or intuition; while "belief" is an assurance gained by evidence, and from other persons.

"Suspicion" is weaker than "belief," since suspicion requires real no foundation for its existence, while "belief" is necessarily based on at least assumed facts.

Cook v. Singer Sewing Mach. Co., 138 Cal.App. 418, 32 P.2d 430, 431.


Black's Law Dictionary
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It is my knowing of belief to be the rope that binds the mind to conform to an assumed social norm.

Seeing is not necesarily 'believing'.

To 'believe' you need not see but agree.

There we enter the inner workings of memes in the pack dog mentality.




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logical according to whom? logical to me might be illogical to you.
 Quoting: my perception of you is good


That would be like debating math...logic is yes or no there is no maybe
 Quoting: BRIEF


If you are following logic correctly, there is no way something can differ between to perfectly logical people.

But there are people who get logic "wrong" and perceive other's logic as wrong.

When it comes to any practical situation in this universe this all seems to be the case.

but then.. if you assume the universe inside an illogical person's mind could said to exist independently of the universe of a logical person's mind (only if you are the illogical perceiver) The only logic that exists in that mind is a relatively weird logic, but it cannot be compared to standard logic, because we are assuming that the universe of the illogical person's mind is the only thing in play. We used logic to get to this conclusion though, so logic must still be in play, so the person is just downright mad... or something... or my assumption cannot be made logically because I have no way of saying that another person in this world experiences anything but myself.
 Quoting: numewenon


Correct 'logic' (meaning - "of the word") would dictate that IF you are a 'logical' person, and I am a 'logical' person, then the use of the word "to" would apparently seem to be quite different between the "TWO" of us.
Also, it is 'logical' in your case to ask if you have ever 'seen', 'heard', 'touched', 'tasted' or 'smelled' your own brain...???
If the answer is "NO", then the logical conclusion, in accordance with the processes involved in the proof-of-concept "empirical evidence" approach of current scientific principal, is that: You Have NO Brain.
...See what I did there???... - or DID you????
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logic is a reduction of probabilities
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Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.


And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


You are beckoned through reason and sound mind counting all costs before endeavoring upon any work you take up...

You reason With The Lord and many do so with out ever being aware Who is with them....many that know Him not He is with them.

They will Know Him in due time.

Reason is of God and taught through His Lordship instilled imparted and fashioned into each and every one of his creatures.

They will see Him and Know all in fullness not just in part...in time appointed unto each and every one of them.

We do not have to know all at one time and from our very beginning..

To belong unto Him who took us up for His own pleasure.
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logic is a reduction of probabilities
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aaaahh.. so simple, yet so true :D
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Eh...sure np.
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logical according to whom? logical to me might be illogical to you.
 Quoting: my perception of you is good


That would be like debating math...logic is yes or no there is no maybe
 Quoting: BRIEF


If you are following logic correctly, there is no way something can differ between to perfectly logical people.

But there are people who get logic "wrong" and perceive other's logic as wrong.

When it comes to any practical situation in this universe this all seems to be the case.

but then.. if you assume the universe inside an illogical person's mind could said to exist independently of the universe of a logical person's mind (only if you are the illogical perceiver) The only logic that exists in that mind is a relatively weird logic, but it cannot be compared to standard logic, because we are assuming that the universe of the illogical person's mind is the only thing in play. We used logic to get to this conclusion though, so logic must still be in play, so the person is just downright mad... or something... or my assumption cannot be made logically because I have no way of saying that another person in this world experiences anything but myself.
 Quoting: numewenon


Correct 'logic' (meaning - "of the word") would dictate that IF you are a 'logical' person, and I am a 'logical' person, then the use of the word "to" would apparently seem to be quite different between the "TWO" of us.
Also, it is 'logical' in your case to ask if you have ever 'seen', 'heard', 'touched', 'tasted' or 'smelled' your own brain...???
If the answer is "NO", then the logical conclusion, in accordance with the processes involved in the proof-of-concept "empirical evidence" approach of current scientific principal, is that: You Have NO Brain.
...See what I did there???... - or DID you????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35502458


Maybe this is key... Empirical evidence always serves as the basis for any logical deduction.

Empirical evidence, when it comes to explaining your own existence is completely subjective. I suppose any empirical evidence is subjective, since it is an observation, and I am the only one that truly knows that they observe. But that is an observation in itself.
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According to Black's Law-


Belief. A conviction of the truth of a proposition, existing subjectively in the mind, and induced by argument, persuation, or proof addressed to the judgement.

Latrobe v. J. H. Cross Co., D.C.Pa., 29 F.2d 210, 212.

A conclusion arrived at from external sources after weighing probability.

Conviction of the mind, arising not from actual perception or knowledge, but by way of inference, or from evidence recieved or information derived from others.

Knowledge is an assurance of a fact or proposition founded on perception by the senses, or intuition; while "belief" is an assurance gained by evidence, and from other persons.

"Suspicion" is weaker than "belief," since suspicion requires real no foundation for its existence, while "belief" is necessarily based on at least assumed facts.

Cook v. Singer Sewing Mach. Co., 138 Cal.App. 418, 32 P.2d 430, 431.


Black's Law Dictionary
Fifth edition



It is my knowing of belief to be the rope that binds the mind to conform to an assumed social norm.

Seeing is not necesarily 'believing'.

To 'believe' you need not see but agree.

There we enter the inner workings of memes in the pack dog mentality.



 Quoting: a student of Protean thought


I guess by the definition, logic cannot be a belief. Because belief relies on not always using logic. Thus, logic, or not-logic is involved in the definition of belief.

But I feel like there is something to think about beyond the definitions. You know what I mean? That intangible, actual logic that seems to be everything.





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