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Are we meant to be natural or technological?

 
numewenon
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Are we meant to be natural or technological?
Are we to keep fighting nature in order to expand our existence and complexity? It seems in this technological world, we lose touch with so much beauty and splendor, yet we have many conveniences and leisure at the same time.

or

Are we meant to fight nature to realize we should be working with nature and living naturally like animals? We have access to the wonderful blanced diversity provided to us, but we are slaves to natures ups and downs.

Is it even valid to ak these questions? because technology is just nature gone awry? If this is the case then:

Is there a place outside the rules of nature in which we can exist peacefully... ever? What is this? What am I? Am I even Alive. My head hurts. Who's head? My head? What head? FUCJKCUCJCEJKEJDCSDECJsdeaGjaSWGJAsw[ojgAWS[GASWEGHE

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Do you people understand what I am rambling about? It bothers me.
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
Ppl used to interchanging natural with animal.
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
Ppl used to interchanging natural with animal.
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Please elaborate coffee4
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
Ppl used to interchanging natural with animal.
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Please elaborate coffee4
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Many believe humans are animals in their true nature.
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
Ppl used to interchanging natural with animal.
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Please elaborate coffee4
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Many believe humans are animals in their true nature.
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Hmm yes. That would make sense. Does this make us a parisitic type of animal that is temporarily out of control?
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
Here is an example :

Monsanto keeps people from starving, but keeps people poisoned.

My organic garden keeps me healthy, but could never sustain the world if done in mass (i don't think it could at least)
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
Ppl used to interchanging natural with animal.
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Please elaborate coffee4
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Many believe humans are animals in their true nature.
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Hmm yes. That would make sense. Does this make us a parisitic type of animal that is temporarily out of control?
 Quoting: numewenon


I don´t think humans are animals, depends on one´s beliefs though.
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
If we are not animals then we would be meant to try to fight nature wouldn't we? We would not fit into the order of things very well would we?
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If we are not animals then we would be meant to try to fight nature wouldn\'t we? We would not fit into the order of things very well would we?
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Evolving is better than fighting.
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
If we are not animals then we would be meant to try to fight nature wouldn\'t we? We would not fit into the order of things very well would we?
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Evolving is better than fighting.
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Is evolution not the result of a fight between two opposing forces?
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If we are not animals then we would be meant to try to fight nature wouldn\\\'t we? We would not fit into the order of things very well would we?
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Evolving is better than fighting.
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Is evolution not the result of a fight between two opposing forces?
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That´s revolution.
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If we are not animals then we would be meant to try to fight nature wouldn\\\\\\\'t we? We would not fit into the order of things very well would we?
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Evolving is better than fighting.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1540638


Is evolution not the result of a fight between two opposing forces?
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That´s revolution.
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Evolution begins with one´s spirituality.
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
ever been to a modern green house like they have in large cities. giant glass structures with an almost jungle paradise like atmosphere full of plant life and tropical birds and lizards.In an urban downtown surrounded by skyscrapers.

the trick is to co-exist. Technology can be used to nurture nature, just like nature can be used to create free energy.

We have to learn to do what is best for the compromise between man and nature. Not one or the other.
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
If we are not animals then we would be meant to try to fight nature wouldn\\\'t we? We would not fit into the order of things very well would we?
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Evolving is better than fighting.
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Is evolution not the result of a fight between two opposing forces?
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That´s revolution.
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pondering on this one for sure hmmmmmm

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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
ever been to a modern green house like they have in large cities. giant glass structures with an almost jungle paradise like atmosphere full of plant life and tropical birds and lizards.In an urban downtown surrounded by skyscrapers.

the trick is to co-exist. Technology can be used to nurture nature, just like nature can be used to create free energy.

We have to learn to do what is best for the compromise between man and nature. Not one or the other.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36555947


Iike this. Friendly technology seems to be a solution.

But can the jungle support the resorces that went itno making it? for example... all that glass, or polycarbonate?
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
Both but with balance. Right now we have no balance. We have technological advancements without using judgment and conscience to how it is affecting nature.
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
ever been to a modern green house like they have in large cities. giant glass structures with an almost jungle paradise like atmosphere full of plant life and tropical birds and lizards.In an urban downtown surrounded by skyscrapers.

the trick is to co-exist. Technology can be used to nurture nature, just like nature can be used to create free energy.

We have to learn to do what is best for the compromise between man and nature. Not one or the other.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36555947


Iike this. Friendly technology seems to be a solution.

But can the jungle support the resorces that went itno making it? for example... all that glass, or polycarbonate?
 Quoting: numewenon


Ofcourse it can. just not all at once. Thats where humans come in. We have to slow consumption in order to build a solid foundation for a movement like this.

We can plant more trees and use our resources more wisely.
As a race we have to think in terms of a 50 or even 100yr timeline.

We would have to do it for humanities future,not our own.
A generation of us has to be selfless enough to realize we won't get to see it come to fruition our lifetime ans be okay with that.
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
Master the natural way first. Then integrate technology with nature. My opinion...
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
Well canada is almost but to close to the north pole.

And africa needed more then one lake ...

The mediteranian is too waterstill and unwarmed shallow and
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
And south america is a piss jungle according to the flower on the seabed ?
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
and...it got worser while it was a ol af idea ?
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
there's only balance and imbalance,everything is natural.
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
ever been to a modern green house like they have in large cities. giant glass structures with an almost jungle paradise like atmosphere full of plant life and tropical birds and lizards.In an urban downtown surrounded by skyscrapers.

the trick is to co-exist. Technology can be used to nurture nature, just like nature can be used to create free energy.

We have to learn to do what is best for the compromise between man and nature. Not one or the other.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36555947


Iike this. Friendly technology seems to be a solution.

But can the jungle support the resorces that went itno making it? for example... all that glass, or polycarbonate?
 Quoting: numewenon


Ofcourse it can. just not all at once. Thats where humans come in. We have to slow consumption in order to build a solid foundation for a movement like this.

We can plant more trees and use our resources more wisely.
As a race we have to think in terms of a 50 or even 100yr timeline.

We would have to do it for humanities future,not our own.
A generation of us has to be selfless enough to realize we won't get to see it come to fruition our lifetime ans be okay with that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36555947


Well I think you hit one nail on the head...

Humans consume more than they need. They could slow consumption even with 7 billion of us. Look at all the fat people. No offence to anyone who has weight problems. Not your fault really... our shitty food is addictive.

Think of all the corn grown for the completley useless cornsyrup. All that land, wasted for nothing.
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
Master the natural way first. Then integrate technology with nature. My opinion...
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Go into a forest, build a house according to the forest's rules. have all the technology you want so long as it does not upset the overall balance of the forest.

I have a hope/beleif that all the technological feats we have accomplished can be done in accordance with nature/balance.
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
Well canada is almost but to close to the north pole.

And africa needed more then one lake ...

The mediteranian is too waterstill and unwarmed shallow and
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I'm not too close to the north pole :P I am in a good growing zone btw :P
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
there's only balance and imbalance,everything is natural.
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That is a very, very intellegent statement. I think that is part of what I am trying figure out here.

Also without balance you could not have unbalance and vice versa.
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
We could design meat eating robots that will hunt you down and kill you and thereby test your mental and physical abilities. We could program so they are just the right intelligence, not too smart, not too fast.

"From the file marked “Evidently, many scientists have never seen even one scary sci-fi movie”: The Defense Department is funding research into battlefield robots that power themselves by eating human corpses. What could possibly go wrong?

Since they apparently don’t own TVs or DVD players, researchers at Robotic Technology say the robots will collect organic matter, which “could” include human corpses, to use for fuel. But if you picked up anything on flesh-eating robots over the years you know they’ll ignore that tasty soybean field and make a chow line right to the nearest dead body. And, if the machines can’t find enough dead people to eat, they can always make new ones."

[link to www.wired.com]

I guess you could argue that's what animals are, meat eating robots but they do not merely eat to be eating, they eat to live, not live to eat. Only humans live to eat.
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
We could design meat eating robots that will hunt you down and kill you and thereby test your mental and physical abilities. We could program so they are just the right intelligence, not too smart, not too fast.

"From the file marked “Evidently, many scientists have never seen even one scary sci-fi movie”: The Defense Department is funding research into battlefield robots that power themselves by eating human corpses. What could possibly go wrong?

Since they apparently don’t own TVs or DVD players, researchers at Robotic Technology say the robots will collect organic matter, which “could” include human corpses, to use for fuel. But if you picked up anything on flesh-eating robots over the years you know they’ll ignore that tasty soybean field and make a chow line right to the nearest dead body. And, if the machines can’t find enough dead people to eat, they can always make new ones."

[link to www.wired.com]

I guess you could argue that's what animals are, meat eating robots but they do not merely eat to be eating, they eat to live, not live to eat. Only humans live to eat.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37330836


YIKES.

I also wonder that.

Have any of these scientists (and even politicians etc) pushing this sort of thing ever watched scifi? lol

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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
tech is a tool
as any material

same with our material forms (&brains)
we came here to use these tools

abduct
moral reasoning takes about 250 miliseconds
we make errors in between
perception->relation->behaviour
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
same with the bird and his long pecker (developed over time),
to get the worm from the depth of a tree

thanks to material/tech we extend our options
NOW are they ethical/moral ?
who should say ?
use or missuse ?
where is the line ?

hf
moral reasoning takes about 250 miliseconds
we make errors in between
perception->relation->behaviour
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Re: Are we meant to be natural or technological?
Yes a tool. and misused.

but what is misuse?

referring to an earlier poster, misuse would be an unbalanced expression of our nature.

So is there a balanced technology?

for example... an heirloom vegetable is a technology of genetic modification in one sense, but it is balanced in that it can get along with the flow of nature.

a monsanto GMO crop is not in tune with the order. It is mis-used or unbalanced.

If the overall tech (like today) seems to be unbalanced, then something will eventually balance it. the question is, will the balance be closer to nature, or will it be a new balance found in a higher tech sense... Like a whole new robotic ecosystem that can sustain itself. while not fighting "lower" forms of nature?





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