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ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/04/2013 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As a retired USAF person, I agree with you. I was aware of DEFCON status changes but it is something we never revealed outside the need to know people. As a matter a fact, it is not a warning system at all, rather a status system used only by the military. Any postings concerning DEFCON status should be disregarded. Quoting: Desert Fox Agreed on all counts DF Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
Texan Buckeye
User ID: 1533753 United States 04/04/2013 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | **IF** it is stated FOR SURE of any change, then an active engagement event IS HAPPENING, or HAS HAPPENED. The thing people have to remember, if something is happening, we WILL be aware of the changes. It seems we've forgotten what happened during Desert Shield/Storm and after 911. We don't need a website run in his mom's basement to see what's going on around us. Saying that, be careful of believing every post about increased aircraft activity. Some of it is false posting and most of it is just people noticing it. I've lived on bases with jets and heliocopters. Trust me, if they are deploying, you'll know for sure. You got it, but you will still not know the DEFCON status. You're right. I didn't word it properly. They MIGHT tell us after the fact what the status WAS. By then, it won't matter anyway. We can tell something has changed, though, by watching and being aware of our surroundings. Can't just jump to conclusions, though. Just because I might see a couple of choppers in a formation, doesn't mean much. |
ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/04/2013 10:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As a retired USAF person, I agree with you. I was aware of DEFCON status changes but it is something we never revealed outside the need to know people. As a matter a fact, it is not a warning system at all, rather a status system used only by the military. Any postings concerning DEFCON status should be disregarded. Quoting: Desert Fox Agreed on all counts DF To add to/ accentuate a VERY important part of DF's statement - "the need-to-know people". Not even everyone currently serving within the various branches of our military will be aware of any such changes. This goes doubly so for most of the Senators and/ or Representatives that will start spewing their tripe in the coming days - beware what these folks say. Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
Desert Fox
User ID: 8786935 United States 04/04/2013 10:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: ClydeX **IF** it is stated FOR SURE of any change, then an active engagement event IS HAPPENING, or HAS HAPPENED. The thing people have to remember, if something is happening, we WILL be aware of the changes. It seems we've forgotten what happened during Desert Shield/Storm and after 911. We don't need a website run in his mom's basement to see what's going on around us. Saying that, be careful of believing every post about increased aircraft activity. Some of it is false posting and most of it is just people noticing it. I've lived on bases with jets and heliocopters. Trust me, if they are deploying, you'll know for sure. You got it, but you will still not know the DEFCON status. You're right. I didn't word it properly. They MIGHT tell us after the fact what the status WAS. By then, it won't matter anyway. We can tell something has changed, though, by watching and being aware of our surroundings. Can't just jump to conclusions, though. Just because I might see a couple of choppers in a formation, doesn't mean much. Correct. green time for you too. :TOMABANEFOX: It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours. |
Texan Buckeye
User ID: 1533753 United States 04/04/2013 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Texan Buckeye The thing people have to remember, if something is happening, we WILL be aware of the changes. It seems we've forgotten what happened during Desert Shield/Storm and after 911. We don't need a website run in his mom's basement to see what's going on around us. Saying that, be careful of believing every post about increased aircraft activity. Some of it is false posting and most of it is just people noticing it. I've lived on bases with jets and heliocopters. Trust me, if they are deploying, you'll know for sure. You got it, but you will still not know the DEFCON status. You're right. I didn't word it properly. They MIGHT tell us after the fact what the status WAS. By then, it won't matter anyway. We can tell something has changed, though, by watching and being aware of our surroundings. Can't just jump to conclusions, though. Just because I might see a couple of choppers in a formation, doesn't mean much. Correct. green time for you too. "Bows head" Thank you, kind sir. Back at you and the OP. |
Watching the world
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ClydeX
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ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/04/2013 10:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, I think your should add the word FACTS, or EXPLAINED, to your title. Just a suggestion. Quoting: Desert Fox That's a fantastic idea - I think I'll do that Kudos to you, sir Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 23764026 United States 04/04/2013 10:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah, I think the whole DEFCON stuff is spread from movies. Anyone who's served usually gets a kick out of how movies portray things like clearances, classification, DEFCON, and counter actions. Fortunately that helps spread disinformation on how things actually function. Yes there is a DEFCON, but to give you a frame of reference there's also HURCON which is a gauge level on the threat of incoming hurricanes. |
Texan Buckeye
User ID: 1533753 United States 04/04/2013 10:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah, I think the whole DEFCON stuff is spread from movies. Anyone who's served usually gets a kick out of how movies portray things like clearances, classification, DEFCON, and counter actions. Fortunately that helps spread disinformation on how things actually function. Yes there is a DEFCON, but to give you a frame of reference there's also HURCON which is a gauge level on the threat of incoming hurricanes. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23764026 And a TORCON for tornadoes, too. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31510799 United States 04/04/2013 10:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you very much for taking the time to post this very credible and timely information. I am not familiar with military operations, but was strongly suspicious of posters who knowingly or purposely purported to know DEFCON status. This will help me weed out fact from fiction in the future. |
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ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/04/2013 10:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you very much for taking the time to post this very credible and timely information. I am not familiar with military operations, but was strongly suspicious of posters who knowingly or purposely purported to know DEFCON status. This will help me weed out fact from fiction in the future. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31510799 This is the exact reason the thread was made. I watched too many people yesterday/ last evening getting wigged out over inaccurate information. Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
Gnosis 2020
User ID: 34171379 United States 04/04/2013 10:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jolly good thread! I have been noting the defcon website as bunk since February. The bloody fools on the site can't even get the colour coding to the DEFCON stage correct! Yet people still post the (dis)info as truth and angrily defend it. SMH Green Karma to you mate. When everyone looks left, look right. Keep your eyes and your mind open... |
ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/04/2013 10:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jolly good thread! I have been noting the defcon website as bunk since February. The bloody fools on the site can't even get the colour coding to the DEFCON stage correct! Quoting: Gnosis 2020 Yet people still post the (dis)info as truth and angrily defend it. SMH Green Karma to you mate. Thanks! Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37430469 United States 04/04/2013 10:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To clear up a lot of misunderstanding that surrounds the DEFCON Warning System: Quoting: ClydeX The current DEFCON status IS NOT made public. Though there are many references throughout numerous threads over the past few days stating changes to the DEFCON status - these are not and cannot be accurate. The most often referred to site is "www.defconwarningsystem.com", and this page IS NOT associated with the US Government, or the US Military. This fact is even stated on their website, and has not been "updated" since 28 Mar 13. There are other similar sites, even some that actually refer to a particular on-line game, but be assured that none of these have an actual representation of the current status, or any change thereof. Unless you see a direct reference to any statement(s) made regarding the DEFCON Status by The President, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, or The Joint Chiefs (who wouldn't be relaying this news) - then any reference to a change in status is not founded. Do I personally believe it has been changed? Yes, I do. That, however, has no bearing on the actual status, the status for a particular area, or that it is fact. Those within the Cabinet or in certain positions within the US Military that DO know the current status or any changes will not make this information public. They didn't achieve that position by airing every bit of laundry they have come across. There are also additional "warning systems" in place, primarily operated by DHS, and these MAY also coincide with a current DEFCON status, but not necessarily. You can access these as open information by visiting the DHS site (which I intentionally did not link to GLP). Lets put the cap on the rumors and disinformation. FINALLY someone with a dang brain! Thank you Clyde!! . . |
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ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/04/2013 10:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To clear up a lot of misunderstanding that surrounds the DEFCON Warning System: Quoting: ClydeX The current DEFCON status IS NOT made public. Though there are many references throughout numerous threads over the past few days stating changes to the DEFCON status - these are not and cannot be accurate. The most often referred to site is "www.defconwarningsystem.com", and this page IS NOT associated with the US Government, or the US Military. This fact is even stated on their website, and has not been "updated" since 28 Mar 13. There are other similar sites, even some that actually refer to a particular on-line game, but be assured that none of these have an actual representation of the current status, or any change thereof. Unless you see a direct reference to any statement(s) made regarding the DEFCON Status by The President, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, or The Joint Chiefs (who wouldn't be relaying this news) - then any reference to a change in status is not founded. Do I personally believe it has been changed? Yes, I do. That, however, has no bearing on the actual status, the status for a particular area, or that it is fact. Those within the Cabinet or in certain positions within the US Military that DO know the current status or any changes will not make this information public. They didn't achieve that position by airing every bit of laundry they have come across. There are also additional "warning systems" in place, primarily operated by DHS, and these MAY also coincide with a current DEFCON status, but not necessarily. You can access these as open information by visiting the DHS site (which I intentionally did not link to GLP). Lets put the cap on the rumors and disinformation. FINALLY someone with a dang brain! Thank you Clyde!! . . Thank you very much! For the record (and since I've never stated such here): ClydeX refers specifically to a Clydesdale Cross - best horse I've ever had. Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
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Desert Fox
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0311INFANTRYSIR
User ID: 969484 United States 04/04/2013 10:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To clear up a lot of misunderstanding that surrounds the DEFCON Warning System: Quoting: ClydeX The current DEFCON status IS NOT made public. Though there are many references throughout numerous threads over the past few days stating changes to the DEFCON status - these are not and cannot be accurate. The most often referred to site is "www.defconwarningsystem.com", and this page IS NOT associated with the US Government, or the US Military. This fact is even stated on their website, and has not been "updated" since 28 Mar 13. There are other similar sites, even some that actually refer to a particular on-line game, but be assured that none of these have an actual representation of the current status, or any change thereof. Unless you see a direct reference to any statement(s) made regarding the DEFCON Status by The President, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, or The Joint Chiefs (who wouldn't be relaying this news) - then any reference to a change in status is not founded. Do I personally believe it has been changed? Yes, I do. That, however, has no bearing on the actual status, the status for a particular area, or that it is fact. Those within the Cabinet or in certain positions within the US Military that DO know the current status or any changes will not make this information public. They didn't achieve that position by airing every bit of laundry they have come across. There are also additional "warning systems" in place, primarily operated by DHS, and these MAY also coincide with a current DEFCON status, but not necessarily. You can access these as open information by visiting the DHS site (which I intentionally did not link to GLP). Lets put the cap on the rumors and disinformation. Also, DEFCON is only Defense Condition, there are several other CONDITIONS that are updated during a crisis such as the one in NK. DEFCON, has been raised, however, only on certain units and AO's most notably SEACOM has raised significantly for obvious reasons. The average person should, be able to surmise this without much effort simply based on Barry's announcement of the signing of new ROE. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote" ~ Benjamin Franklin. |
0311INFANTRYSIR
User ID: 969484 United States 04/04/2013 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The public will not know until after the situation has been satisfied and people begin to armchair quarterback the situation. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote" ~ Benjamin Franklin. |
ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/04/2013 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To clear up a lot of misunderstanding that surrounds the DEFCON Warning System: Quoting: ClydeX The current DEFCON status IS NOT made public. Though there are many references throughout numerous threads over the past few days stating changes to the DEFCON status - these are not and cannot be accurate. The most often referred to site is "www.defconwarningsystem.com", and this page IS NOT associated with the US Government, or the US Military. This fact is even stated on their website, and has not been "updated" since 28 Mar 13. There are other similar sites, even some that actually refer to a particular on-line game, but be assured that none of these have an actual representation of the current status, or any change thereof. Unless you see a direct reference to any statement(s) made regarding the DEFCON Status by The President, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, or The Joint Chiefs (who wouldn't be relaying this news) - then any reference to a change in status is not founded. Do I personally believe it has been changed? Yes, I do. That, however, has no bearing on the actual status, the status for a particular area, or that it is fact. Those within the Cabinet or in certain positions within the US Military that DO know the current status or any changes will not make this information public. They didn't achieve that position by airing every bit of laundry they have come across. There are also additional "warning systems" in place, primarily operated by DHS, and these MAY also coincide with a current DEFCON status, but not necessarily. You can access these as open information by visiting the DHS site (which I intentionally did not link to GLP). Lets put the cap on the rumors and disinformation. Also, DEFCON is only Defense Condition, there are several other CONDITIONS that are updated during a crisis such as the one in NK. DEFCON, has been raised, however, only on certain units and AO's most notably SEACOM has raised significantly for obvious reasons. The average person should, be able to surmise this without much effort simply based on Barry's announcement of the signing of new ROE. This is also correct. Thank you for your contribution! Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
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ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/04/2013 11:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To clear up a lot of misunderstanding that surrounds the DEFCON Warning System: Quoting: ClydeX The current DEFCON status IS NOT made public. Though there are many references throughout numerous threads over the past few days stating changes to the DEFCON status - these are not and cannot be accurate. The most often referred to site is "www.defconwarningsystem.com", and this page IS NOT associated with the US Government, or the US Military. This fact is even stated on their website, and has not been "updated" since 28 Mar 13. There are other similar sites, even some that actually refer to a particular on-line game, but be assured that none of these have an actual representation of the current status, or any change thereof. Unless you see a direct reference to any statement(s) made regarding the DEFCON Status by The President, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, or The Joint Chiefs (who wouldn't be relaying this news) - then any reference to a change in status is not founded. Do I personally believe it has been changed? Yes, I do. That, however, has no bearing on the actual status, the status for a particular area, or that it is fact. Those within the Cabinet or in certain positions within the US Military that DO know the current status or any changes will not make this information public. They didn't achieve that position by airing every bit of laundry they have come across. There are also additional "warning systems" in place, primarily operated by DHS, and these MAY also coincide with a current DEFCON status, but not necessarily. You can access these as open information by visiting the DHS site (which I intentionally did not link to GLP). Lets put the cap on the rumors and disinformation. Hello, my friend - good to see you here as well. Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
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