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The obsession to find truth, can also become an inability to see truth.

 
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The only one truth you need to find is:

Shit Bin Osama, Saud and Arabians are the very cause of werld of epic shit!
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Also, truth is subjective, especially when egos are involved. Only in the absolute is truth not subjective. And the absolute truth is: There is only 'one' and it is love. There is no other thing outside love.hf
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Yes i all agree with that.....BUT!

aaad5

Now this is not pointed at you, but i belive many of the love guys have forgotten this.

Theyre living their own happy lives and spend most of their day learning about themselves and being happy.

There is something to me there, thats just not right.

I wish it was that easy, but i dont think it is.

We hold the brakes and the gaspedal in this game!

We as individuals can do INCREDIBLE change, if we just dare!
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The quest for knowledge is the unfortunate quest for man to think that he is God, that we somehow created all of this. That is why we are a world filled with hatred now. Too many people, governments and false religions thinking that they are gods. It only leads to your destruction. A historical fact proven time and again.
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The quest for knowledge is the unfortunate quest for man to think that he is God, that we somehow created all of this. That is why we are a world filled with hatred now. Too many people, governments and false religions thinking that they are gods. It only leads to your destruction. A historical fact proven time and again.
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The quest for knowledge is the unfortunate quest for man to think that he is God, that we somehow created all of this. That is why we are a world filled with hatred now. Too many people, governments and false religions thinking that they are gods. It only leads to your destruction. A historical fact proven time and again.
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I love that video!


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The quest for knowledge is the unfortunate quest for man to think that he is God, that we somehow created all of this. That is why we are a world filled with hatred now. Too many people, governments and false religions thinking that they are gods. It only leads to your destruction. A historical fact proven time and again.
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The problem isn't becoming your own god....that's self-sovereignty. Becoming your own god means you take responsibility for what you create. Our actions(or lack of them) create all sorts of situations. The problem is when people try to become other people's gods.
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The quest for knowledge is the unfortunate quest for man to think that he is God, that we somehow created all of this. That is why we are a world filled with hatred now. Too many people, governments and false religions thinking that they are gods. It only leads to your destruction. A historical fact proven time and again.
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The problem isn't becoming your own god....that's self-sovereignty. Becoming your own god means you take responsibility for what you create. Our actions(or lack of them) create all sorts of situations. The problem is when people try to become other people's gods.
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Nicely said.hf
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Good and evil are just different aspects from a same source, we just have different agendas, you will NEVER and I repeat NEVER get remotely close to a descent level of awareness if you keep thinking and believing in this dual God/Satan, goodness/evilness combo. That inevitably leads you to see things squared and lineal, thus you create a good and evil reality
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Some of what you said was interesting, but this part right here is pure bullshit.

I don't know if you realize it or not, but I will explain why you are wrong.

No matter what you "label" it as (you are doing it yourself ironically) there very much is good and evil. You can call it "positive" and "negative" if you want, or other things but in the end it's still just plain old good and evil.

It's a lie that "evil" or "negative" things need to happen in order to balance out the universe, and this is a common pitfall when seeking truth.

What would be better for evil than to convince people that evil isn't really evil? Anything? I can't think of anything worse than to confuse good and evil, thus implying that it doesn't matter what you do.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist after all.

Don't even try and tell me that's not what you meant either, because it clearly is.

Is it not evil when these sick elite assholes sacrifice human beings to Satan? You could even argue that Satan is not real, but it is to them and they still kill people in sick evil rituals none the less.

Do you even know about these super dark and evil aspects of humanity? If you do then how do you think of them, as necessary? What if it was someone you loved like your son or daughter that was sacrificed? Still OK with it then?

I guess it's just a different aspect of the same "source" (God?) as you say? Well I say you are full of shit, and that there very much is good and evil.

Is there not positive and negative energy? And how is this any different than their direct correlation with good and evil? There is no difference now is there?

So if there is positive and negative energy, and they can be correlated with good and evil then what the hell are you even talking about here?

OP you try and come off as so enlightened, but a 1 hour YouTube video can mind fuck you into thinking like this. You think it's difficult to be brainwashed lol?

Let me ask you a direct question, and we will see if you are brave enough to try and answer it.

Is it possible for us to have peace on earth, and an end to oppression, tyranny, war, and violence, etc? If not then why not? And if it is possible then what happened to your two sides of the same coin analogy?

Isn't "evil" and "good" just aspects of the same source as you said? How can we have a world without one or the other? And if we can't have a world without evil, then things look pretty damn grim for all of eternity don't they?

Well the truth is that good will win in the end, and there will be peace and harmony on earth. There is no peace and harmony with evilness, only death, destruction, suffering, pain, and agony, etc.

In fact there is nothing good that comes from evil, just like there is nothing evil that comes from good. You have watched too many New Age videos probably, and are just parroting the ideas so much it's pathetic.

So again I ask you is it possible to have peace on earth, and an end to pain and suffering? And if not then why not? And if so then what happened to your necessary "evil" aspect of source as you claim?

Edit: OP I hope you realize that you are contradicting yourself here. You say that good and evil are just aspects of the same source, but wouldn't they be good and evil aspects then lol? Wrap your head around that one!
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"thus you create a good and evil reality"

As opposed to what lol?

Just a good reality, or just an evil reality, or a neither reality?

But wait they are just different aspects of the same source you said right?

Then wouldn't you need both considering this?

/Facepalm
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That's very true. The government pumps so much disinformation everywhere that it tends to lead people down the wrong rabbit hole. It gets the best of us sometimes.
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That's very true. The government pumps so much disinformation everywhere that it tends to lead people down the wrong rabbit hole. It gets the best of us sometimes.
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Some of it was true.

But like most disinformation it is the truth with bullshit sprinkle. Almost nobody would believe disinformation unless there was some truth to it. This is why keeping an open mind is so important.

OP is trying to act like an authority on what is or isn't truth, but clearly is falling short.

I don't claim to have it all figured out, and if I made a thread like this it wouldn't be anywhere near this condescending or absolute.
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Its not often i will share the voice of others, but today when i logged onto facebook a beautiful message waited for me.

Thanks to Luke Swan for this message =)

The obsession to find truth, can also become an inability to see truth.

Why keep fighting each other over who's right or wrong, when it's irrelevant who's right or wrong if the righteousness doesn't meet the wrongness? What I mean by that it’s that everyone argues over something because consciously or unconsciously, they either feel threatened by others’ takes or ideas, or because they’re claiming superiority, or because they are just obsessed with questioning and doubting, the obsession of truth, especially all over the internet where there is this phenomena that I call “The Truth syndrome”, that is people fighting and arguing over ABSURDITY, and feeling so offended by things that are completely irrelevant to their lives, but still they think those things are relevant to them.

Release yourself from YOU, it’s not them, it’s YOU, everything begins and ends with YOU. A million things are possible, a million things are impossible, but in any case, the idea is to focus on what can make things possible for you now, forget the rest, it's irrelevant to you. The true ascending and revelation it’s "getting rid" of all the crap that occupied your mind and denied you true access to your heart and intuition, to the orgasm of your senses and your magnificent awareness. Good and evil are just different aspects from a same source, we just have different agendas, so integration it’s all about creating THE AGENDA! And the agenda is THE UNIVERSAL WORLD!


The phrase "reality is perception" doesn’t mean the world is literally different for everyone, it means the world is symbolically different for everyone, it doesn’t make things less real or truer than they already are, that’s why energies can work through symbols, and if you can open up and expand to levels close to infinity, you see the "real perception of reality", hence reality is perception, it is how much you can perceive of something, not how much you can deny something. Absolute view dissolves individual views and makes them One above All. Infinity is the top. Top it.


Religious fervor is one of those, God vs. no God, Jesus vs. no Jesus, the unbelievable amount of people who still believe in religious and politics leaders, failing to see that they’re all part of a same gang, and another one it’s the new world orderers against namastes and lightworkers and all the gamma of “tags and separations and groups” including new agers who ironically claim that we are all one, but you have to belong to one group or tag in specific to be ONE, love and light or you’re out but “not” about. I get it every time, every day: “if you’re a lightworker you shouldn’t do that or say that” So divisions and clashes revive again. It is ALL a psychological game.


Good and evil are just different aspects from a same source, we just have different agendas, you will NEVER and I repeat NEVER get remotely close to a descent level of awareness if you keep thinking and believing in this dual God/Satan, goodness/evilness combo. That inevitably leads you to see things squared and lineal, thus you create a good and evil reality; also "believe what you want" shouldn't be just a choice because at the end of the day, it matters a lot, your belief define your existence, I see just so MUCH misguidance, it is just unbelievable, you can't get to level 9 without understanding the level before, and the one before that one, you can't embrace and create a new world if you still believe the very lies that hold the old one.


HOW DARE YOU NOT “BELIEVING” THIS?

People go crazy when they can’t tag because they’re used to categorize everything into one thing or another, and then when they find something or someone who is this, that and more of that, they can’t handle it because it can’t be tagged, and therefore must be rejected and considered blasphemous. I’ll tell you this:


THAT IS THE TRUE BLASPHEMY OF IT ALL.

That is ONE strange philosophy of unity, and that is one of the secret missions or behaviour altering methods of this virtual internet world, inciting people’s intolerance which in turn, flowers into aggressiveness, violence, narrow mindedness, and then all that it’s replayed into their real lives, that is one reason why it seems the world is going crazier and crazier, needless to say that is the perfect environment for ego to have a merry and happy go around, and it gets even more absurd, because those are the same people condemning others for their egos. Really funny that is. Same with the absurdity of sexual taboos. More divisions and more ignorance. The ignorance of not knowing thyselves. The ignorance of ignorance so "Knowing thyself" is probably the bottom line of the bottom line.

Become ONE with The Force that can bring a New World into this reality. You belong with that force. You don’t create a new world just by closing your eyes saying “new world come here.” We have to make it happen, with the intent that we can do it, and others helping us in doing so and leading us to it. Not everyone is supposed to get it and that is ok, everyone’s got a talent or something that they can do too. It is our job to make them fit into the agenda, not necessarily excluding them from it, ´cause a Wise Soul can recognize an ignorant person because he was once ignorant, but an ignorant person can't recognize a wise soul because he's never been wise before.



THE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE MANTRA:

Put apart anyone who tries to pollute the message. Be faithful to your Spirit. LOVE your commitment! LOVE the vision! LOVE the joy! LOVE to love into a pure context, without forcing it into “unconditional” the mantra “unconditional love” it’s another reverse effect mantra like “We are One” because it FORCES people to be “unconditional” which in turn becomes “forced love” and no one wants to be “consciously” forced to do anything, unconditional love makes love even more conditional, no one’s forced to love, but everyone should feel the need to be themselves, to be love, but not imposed onto them, especially being forced to love as most people equates love with suffering and pain, not with bliss and infinity, and then understandably they go “but what is unconditional love?” and some try to explain as they can, some in the knowing, and some not in the knowing, but the bottom line is that they don't get it, much less FEEL IT, because you can’t take people from one point of perception, to a radically different and immensely more expanded point of perception in one leap. It needs to be progressive but constant. Very simple really

LOVE just IS! No need to define it as conditional or unconditional.

The mantra of Unconditional love also get people into hunting mode by all those different groups I mentioned at the beginning who seek glory and unity in poetry but not in the actual reality because they are forcing a reality based upon more ignorance, more hate, and more extreme and absurd rationality, no change, just continuity, no Universalism simply because they don’t comprehend reality. It is our job to shape their skills to make them fit into that reality, not excluding them from it.

THE UNIVERSAL MESSAGE:

It all revolves around the confusion of where the real conditionals end and begin, the confusion of psychological energy, and while trying to find or identify those as extremes, we have coffee with our very best friend Mrs or Mr. Duality. It’s dual right? The message is not "Be stupid", the message is "Be Real" and being real deals with a world of fairness and harmony, not with a world of tags and extremes, pure integration, pure ambiguity. True Oneness. Being the love doesn’t mean you have to deal and stay stuck to some people’s misery, it’s not a contradiction while done in “fair terms”, all the opposite, it keeps you pure, it keeps you real, be the love doesn't mean "let them crush you" or "stay where the filth is". We project, we mirror and dance with that reflection, and create another reflection, that is one thing, but if you know the way it works, exposing yourself to "re projections" it's suffering at will. Love has nothing to do with good and evil, light or dark. It is beyond all those absurd human interpretations of reality, and that's why humans have such a hard time "trying" to Love and actually never do. You can be energetically protected, not connecting with anything harmful for you, but that doesn't mean that you don't take care of yourself, that doesn't mean you stand in the middle of the road waiting for a bus to run you over. It’s that simple.

Rejoice in the NOW with purpose, dedication, and the “key” word: COMMITMENT!

Rise fearless. I call you and encourage you. I’ll hold you and protect you. Come together and Live an Orgy of Love. Metaphorically or literally. Just be it!

I Love You.
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


Truth...who's truth? Discern "Right-Knowledge"...this is the new way.
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OK I just realized that these weren't OP's words lol.

You posted it though so I will still direct my comments at you.

Don't expect to post some BS about no good and evil and call it beautiful without having someone disagree with you.

I am not on Facebook so don't expect me to comment to this Luke Swan guy directly.

Edit: It makes a lot of sense that this would come from Facebook, and it's sad how fast lies can spread like wildfire on social media.
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There is good and there is evil. The problem is too many people call what is good evil and what is evil good. They base it on what they've been taught instead of what they've actually experienced. Religion is mostly to blame for this as they condemn anything that is not them. They create an Us vs. Them mentality. This mentality has caused wars and genocide. All the while, the ones doing the killing never even considered themselves as being 'evil'...NO, they believed they were 'good'. They were 'good' because they followed a book instead of their hearts. Good, in this sense, means 'self-righteous'. It is not truly good, but don't tell them that. lol What is good for one person may be evil for another. Just because you love bacon, doesn't mean that giving it to a Jew or Muslim would be a good idea. Good and evil can be subjective, in many cases. However, there are evils that we can probably all agree on. Many times, those believing they are doing good.....produce evil.
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the truth is an obsession? must suck to be a liar
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Excellent post OP,

After years of obsessively searching for the truth of things outside of me I filled my head up with a lot of rubbish and I was quite angry/fearful of things . I was carrying around this huge baggage in my mind. But one day something told me to let it all go and wow what a release. Since then I'm learning to release more and more of what I/ego had built around my self. Its not lime flicking a switch and hey presto but it can be very beautiful when ye let things go or wounds heal. Learning to listen and feel from the heart real changes takes place. It can be like seeing the world anew, childlike.

We really entangle ourselves into such a mess sometimes

Lately I like just observing my little dog. How simple and uncluttered he must see things. No judgement of others no resentment, no mind games, no hate, just wants food a good walk and some love. Living in the now moment all just is.

So i just keep this sorta mantra in my head as i go. Just be love, no labels no judgement, see the beauty in nature, be helpful to people if you can. Be you, your self, listen to your hearth and have love and compassion as you go.

Blessings and love to all.

hf
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There is good and there is evil. The problem is too many people call what is good evil and what is evil good. They base it on what they've been taught instead of what they've actually experienced. Religion is mostly to blame for this as they condemn anything that is not them. They create an Us vs. Them mentality. This mentality has caused wars and genocide. All the while, the ones doing the killing never even considered themselves as being 'evil'...NO, they believed they were 'good'. They were 'good' because they followed a book instead of their hearts. Good, in this sense, means 'self-righteous'. It is not truly good, but don't tell them that. lol What is good for one person may be evil for another. Just because you love bacon, doesn't mean that giving it to a Jew or Muslim would be a good idea. Good and evil can be subjective, in many cases. However, there are evils that we can probably all agree on. Many times, those believing they are doing good.....produce evil.
 Quoting: YankeeRose555


I basically agree with this.

Something like sacrificing and/or sexually abusing a child in a Satanic ritual is just plain evil though no matter how you try and look at it. Since it sure as hell isn't good after all right?

You mentioned that it can be subjective, and I agree with that but only that it is the individual's perception of good and evil.

Just like with truth there is a subjective and an objective.

I could believe that a banana was an orange but would that really make it so? All it would be is my perception making me think it was. In reality a banana is a banana, no matter what I thought it was.

This gets into the very complex territory of subjective vs objective truth, which in itself can be affected by subjective beliefs lol.

Great post, really gets you thinking!
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We are all teachers and we are all students. Sometimes we know what to say, sometimes we don't. We are humans. lol
There will always be those who ridicule us for one reason or another. Just keep being who you are NO MATTER WHAT. Make other people's thoughts of you None of your business. Remember to laugh....even at yourself.


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Excellent post OP,

After years of obsessively searching for the truth of things outside of me I filled my head up with a lot of rubbish and I was quite angry/fearful of things . I was carrying around this huge baggage in my mind. But one day something told me to let it all go and wow what a release. Since then I'm learning to release more and more of what I/ego had built around my self. Its not lime flicking a switch and hey presto but it can be very beautiful when ye let things go or wounds heal. Learning to listen and feel from the heart real changes takes place. It can be like seeing the world anew, childlike.

We really entangle ourselves into such a mess sometimes

Lately I like just observing my little dog. How simple and uncluttered he must see things. No judgement of others no resentment, no mind games, no hate, just wants food a good walk and some love. Living in the now moment all just is.

So i just keep this sorta mantra in my head as i go. Just be love, no labels no judgement, see the beauty in nature, be helpful to people if you can. Be you, your self, listen to your hearth and have love and compassion as you go.

Blessings and love to all.

hf
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Right NOW! It's where you are at. Neither the past with the sorrow, nor the future with the worries. Right NOW!


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Some of it was true.

But like most disinformation it is the truth with bullshit sprinkle. Almost nobody would believe disinformation unless there was some truth to it. This is why keeping an open mind is so important.

OP is trying to act like an authority on what is or isn't truth, but clearly is falling short.

I don't claim to have it all figured out, and if I made a thread like this it wouldn't be anywhere near this condescending or absolute.
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there is great difference between an opening post and other post. The opening post is always a blind conversation opener to whomever it may concern. As such, it is much more of a theatrical act.

But when you reply, you initiate a personal communication, and if beside an open mind you would also have an open heart you would first try to target the level of consciousness of the other, not making guesses about him without really communicating with him :)

Real humans are not just the extensions of the ideas they formulate, you know. It's the other way around :)

So, although what you say is valid from the point of view of ideas expressed, you could try to be more open hearted in communication and get to the real human behind the words, for a change.

"the canon "By thy god" must be applied in life, practically on every step. During each conversation, when there is no unity of consciousnesses, our first duty is not to infuriate our companion by contradiction and censure of his convictions, but, starting with his best possibilities and considering the level of his consciousness, we should gradually and patiently broaden his horizon. Thus, speaking with a Moslem, you will not begin by praising Lord Buddha or demeaning Mohammed, but you will interchange with him all that is beautiful in his religion, and when opportunity arises, you will explain more deeply and broadly the meaning of some sayings of Mohammed that have entered the treasury of world wisdom. Thus you will also do in any other situations in life. You will not speak with an avid chauvinist against his country, but you will discover the best expressions and qualities of his nation, and you will point out to him new ways for developing its particular qualifications. Your breadth of understanding of national beliefs will smooth over the factor of chauvinism and, unexpectedly for him, his limited consciousness will begin to respond to the note of containment. And so, one should learn to carry on timely conversations without animosity but evaluating your companion with friendliness. Precisely, carry them on with PATIENCE and respect for your adversary, not permitting irritation, derision, and other unworthy means. And in each conversation one should know how to sacrifice one's self, one's knowledge, and not to boast of one's enlightenment. Remember that it is said in the Teaching that only a pompous ignorance loves to spread on window sills the dry, small twigs of its knowledge, but he who truly knows does not fear to snip off a piece of his knowledge when it can oppress and humiliate his companion. In this manner, the canon "By thy God" is merely a manifestation of selflessness, without which nothing can be achieved"
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Good and evil are just different aspects from a same source, we just have different agendas, you will NEVER and I repeat NEVER get remotely close to a descent level of awareness if you keep thinking and believing in this dual God/Satan, goodness/evilness combo. That inevitably leads you to see things squared and lineal, thus you create a good and evil reality
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


Some of what you said was interesting, but this part right here is pure bullshit.

I don't know if you realize it or not, but I will explain why you are wrong.

No matter what you "label" it as (you are doing it yourself ironically) there very much is good and evil. You can call it "positive" and "negative" if you want, or other things but in the end it's still just plain old good and evil.

It's a lie that "evil" or "negative" things need to happen in order to balance out the universe, and this is a common pitfall when seeking truth.

What would be better for evil than to convince people that evil isn't really evil? Anything? I can't think of anything worse than to confuse good and evil, thus implying that it doesn't matter what you do. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist after all.

Don't even try and tell me that's not what you meant either, because it clearly is.

Is it not evil when these sick elite assholes sacrifice human beings to Satan? You could even argue that Satan is not real, but it is to them and they still kill people in sick evil rituals none the less.

Do you even know about these super dark and evil aspects of humanity? If you do then how do you think of them, as necessary? What if it was someone you loved like your son or daughter that was sacrificed? Still OK with it then?

I guess it's just a different aspect of the same "source" (God?) as you say? Well I say you are full of shit, and that there very much is good and evil.

Is there not positive and negative energy? And how is this any different than their direct correlation with good and evil? There is no difference now is there?

So if there is positive and negative energy, and they can be correlated with good and evil then what the hell are you even talking about here?

OP you try and come off as so enlightened, but a 1 hour YouTube video can mind fuck you into thinking like this. You think it's difficult to be brainwashed lol?

Let me ask you a direct question, and we will see if you are brave enough to try and answer it.

Is it possible for us to have peace on earth, and an end to oppression, tyranny, war, and violence, etc? If not then why not? And if it is possible then what happened to your two sides of the same coin analogy?

Isn't "evil" and "good" just aspects of the same source as you said? How can we have a world without one or the other? And if we can't have a world without evil, then things look pretty damn grim for all of eternity don't they?

Well the truth is that good will win in the end, and there will be peace and harmony on earth. There is no peace and harmony with evilness, only death, destruction, suffering, pain, and agony, etc.

In fact there is nothing good that comes from evil, just like there is nothing evil that comes from good. You have watched too many New Age videos probably, and are just parroting the ideas so much it's pathetic.

So again I ask you is it possible to have peace on earth, and an end to pain and suffering? And if not then why not? And if so then what happened to your necessary "evil" aspect of source as you claim?

Edit: OP I hope you realize that you are contradicting yourself here. You say that good and evil are just aspects of the same source, but wouldn't they be good and evil aspects then lol? Wrap your head around that one!
 Quoting: InnerFireBurning


I agree with everything you have written about when it comes to our OWN evilness perspective, but still you look at it from a dream view and a very small perceptive. You have to look at it from a bigger perspective. You are not talking of what is, you are talking about what you want it to be.

To be awake and aware is not to act perfect from a perfect perspective. To be awake and aware is to act perfect on the world that currently is. To be the best solution for right now, and not the solution for the future. The solution for the future has no use, YET.

Right now is the world we live in. You and luke are not talking about the same states of time. Hes describing the now, and you are talking about the perfect world.

Now in my perfect world i do as you, i also belive that we can all live without evil if if we just create the right enviroment around it. And most importanltly for everyone. I dont belive that we need evil to learn good in the ''perfect world''.

But again we have to face the facts, we have to accept what we are dealing with RIGHT NOW and be open to speak about these things. We cannot start stating universal truths before we even understand our own world and our own problems as a whole. This world does not scream for universal truths at the moment, its too complicated for them. They are screaming for the basic truths, they need a spark to enter the first steps.

I belive that the extreme levels of evilness going on right now has been a HUGE trigger of the people who are starting to understand whats going on, i mean that goes almost without saying, they go hand in hand. We have reached a climax where enough is enough, and we would never have reached this climax without all this evil. Now like mentioned earlier, i dont think that the perfect world needs evil to learn good, but in many ways this world needed it, and sadly it still does and will do for some time.

Now what i belive luke is talking about in depth is all the people who are going in circles and are driven by fear or ego in this movement.

The people who are so afraid that they dont look at the other side of the fence for truth because they are afraid of hurting the truths they already have gathered. They are so afraid of loosing their last hope, their main belief, and they are so afraid of it that they hold unto it no matter what even if it avoids them reaching a new and better world. They fear the time in between.

They look the other way when conflicting truths are brought to them. They research only their own side of the view, and when they research they only look for pieces that fits with their already existing puzzle.

They are trying to create a world in their mind that doesnt exist. They are trying to follow a stream of energy that doesnt exist.

We are all one, and we cannot become something that our earth (us) is not, we can only become it when it is true. We will all be one when when we start to act like we are are all one. If the world is full of evil we cannot turn away from it or deny its existence.

We must bring light into the dark places and stop lighting up places that have been lighted up thousands of times before or places that are not ready for being lighted up. We have to seek the darkness and not the light, only then can we overcome it.

We need to change, to find solutions, to start acting our own words.

Many people in this movement have huge amounts of fear in their lives and thats whats keeping them down and this whole movement back. The more they know, the harder it becomes to live normally.

The more fear they have, the more limited are the way they connect and see solutions to the problems of this world. Fear is literarily removing cognitive thinking and removing solutions from the patterns people think.

The solutions that are connected to change, is gone, far far behind in the mind, shadowed by fear because the thought pattern that ''was learned'' was to only focus about the negative part, and not about the solution. Its a side effect of having too much fear in your life. Too much fear = tunnelvision.

Solution involves change and therefore also fear. People dont like to change, people dont want more fear, they dont like to go outside of societys norms too far, because they have learned how to adapt all their lives and now when they know how crazy this world is, they do exactly that, they adapt to it, they learn to live with it, instead of changing it.

They create lies after lies, they do anything to avoid change. The fear of changing is often one of the biggest fears a person can have.

And when you look at this movement its all the same, you see that its all about reporting the best doom, the worst incidents, post the craziest shit that you can possibly find on the net, and the mob will applaude you for it. Find the best and biggest problem we have, and then we will give you lots of green karma for it. Then we can all gather around and talk about how incredibly fucked we are afterwards, and how soon this world is going to hell. And last but not least, how ''little'' we can do about it.

People are only looking at this in a problem view, and nobody is really looking for the solution. People belive in good vs evil, the great battle, jesus vs satan and all the other bullshit. They belive in a false premise of good and evil. They have a twisted worldview because they have a FEARBASED pattern of thinking.

We are not a greater good than we can imagine ourselves, and we cannot imagine greater goodness than what we belive in. If we belive we are nothing, then we will get nothing, if we belive that its over, than it will feel like that to live as well. Our perceptions are the world we live in, and its all individual, and all just a choice. Always!

People have to raise their own strenght by clearing their mind of fear. They have to become strong enough ''logically'' to be a real asset for this movement instead of running around screaming and cursing in anger to people within their own movement with different opinions.

People who are driven largely by fear are ''tools''. They are slaves to their own emotions. And they react to it blindly. They will lie to themselves in any way possible to fight back the change.

The only way for people to interact with these fears is to open themselves up to a more solutionbased and ''happy'' reality.

And that is only done by removing their own fears one by one. The only way to remove fear is to replace one set of memories or behaviours with another. If you have a fear in life then theres a pieces in your puzzle that is causing this fear.

The more unecessary pieces you remove from your own puzzle the easier it will be to see what is really evil and what is blindness and what is true love. You will see people for what they are and not what your ego or fear is telling you that they are.

And most importantly you will see who are your enemies =)

And who are not ^^
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Excellent post OP,

After years of obsessively searching for the truth of things outside of me I filled my head up with a lot of rubbish and I was quite angry/fearful of things . I was carrying around this huge baggage in my mind. But one day something told me to let it all go and wow what a release. Since then I'm learning to release more and more of what I/ego had built around my self. Its not lime flicking a switch and hey presto but it can be very beautiful when ye let things go or wounds heal. Learning to listen and feel from the heart real changes takes place. It can be like seeing the world anew, childlike.

We really entangle ourselves into such a mess sometimes

Lately I like just observing my little dog. How simple and uncluttered he must see things. No judgement of others no resentment, no mind games, no hate, just wants food a good walk and some love. Living in the now moment all just is.

So i just keep this sorta mantra in my head as i go. Just be love, no labels no judgement, see the beauty in nature, be helpful to people if you can. Be you, your self, listen to your hearth and have love and compassion as you go.

Blessings and love to all.

hf
 Quoting: paler


Fantastic story and thanks for sharing =) I have gone through the same experiences and share some of the same views =)

I loved to hear the story about your dog, its the same way i implent the beauty in my life, you can find it in basically anything. The more you love the stronger you are.

You are love, pure love, accepting fear is like dimming the light bulb, the more fear you choose, the darker it gets. The more you are able to love your own experience, the more love can you give to others, and understand yourself.

Love is true knowledge. Love is helping, love is understanding, but most importantly, love is always RIGHT NOW ^^
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there is great difference between an opening post and other post. The opening post is always a blind conversation opener to whomever it may concern. As such, it is much more of a theatrical act.

But when you reply, you initiate a personal communication, and if beside an open mind you would also have an open heart you would first try to target the level of consciousness of the other, not making guesses about him without really communicating with him :)
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You seem like you really buy into social norms lol, I don't though just so you know.

If you look beside the name of the person that made the thread it says "OP."

It's one way to refer to the author of the thread, kinda surprised you don't know this.
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I agree with everything you have written about when it comes to our OWN evilness perspective, but still you look at it from a dream view and a very small perceptive. You have to look at it from a bigger perspective. You are not talking of what is, you are talking about what you want it to be.

To be awake and aware is not to act perfect from a perfect perspective. To be awake and aware is to act perfect on the world that currently is. To be the best solution for right now, and not the solution for the future. The solution for the future has no use, YET.

Right now is the world we live in. You and luke are not talking about the same states of time. Hes describing the now, and you are talking about the perfect world.

Now in my perfect world i do as you, i also belive that we can all live without evil if if we just create the right enviroment around it. And most importanltly for everyone. I dont belive that we need evil to learn good in the ''perfect world''.

But again we have to face the facts, we have to accept what we are dealing with RIGHT NOW and be open to speak about these things. We cannot start stating universal truths before we even understand our own world and our own problems as a whole. This world does not scream for universal truths at the moment, its too complicated for them. They are screaming for the basic truths, they need a spark to enter the first steps.

I belive that the extreme levels of evilness going on right now has been a HUGE trigger of the people who are starting to understand whats going on, i mean that goes almost without saying, they go hand in hand. We have reached a climax where enough is enough, and we would never have reached this climax without all this evil. Now like mentioned earlier, i dont think that the perfect world needs evil to learn good, but in many ways this world needed it, and sadly it still does and will do for some time.

Now what i belive luke is talking about in depth is all the people who are going in circles and are driven by fear or ego in this movement.

The people who are so afraid that they dont look at the other side of the fence for truth because they are afraid of hurting the truths they already have gathered. They are so afraid of loosing their last hope, their main belief, and they are so afraid of it that they hold unto it no matter what even if it avoids them reaching a new and better world. They fear the time in between.

They look the other way when conflicting truths are brought to them. They research only their own side of the view, and when they research they only look for pieces that fits with their already existing puzzle.

They are trying to create a world in their mind that doesnt exist. They are trying to follow a stream of energy that doesnt exist.

We are all one, and we cannot become something that our earth (us) is not, we can only become it when it is true. We will all be one when when we start to act like we are are all one. If the world is full of evil we cannot turn away from it or deny its existence.

We must bring light into the dark places and stop lighting up places that have been lighted up thousands of times before or places that are not ready for being lighted up. We have to seek the darkness and not the light, only then can we overcome it.

We need to change, to find solutions, to start acting our own words.

Many people in this movement have huge amounts of fear in their lives and thats whats keeping them down and this whole movement back. The more they know, the harder it becomes to live normally.

The more fear they have, the more limited are the way they connect and see solutions to the problems of this world. Fear is literarily removing cognitive thinking and removing solutions from the patterns people think.

The solutions that are connected to change, is gone, far far behind in the mind, shadowed by fear because the thought pattern that ''was learned'' was to only focus about the negative part, and not about the solution. Its a side effect of having too much fear in your life. Too much fear = tunnelvision.

Solution involves change and therefore also fear. People dont like to change, people dont want more fear, they dont like to go outside of societys norms too far, because they have learned how to adapt all their lives and now when they know how crazy this world is, they do exactly that, they adapt to it, they learn to live with it, instead of changing it.

They create lies after lies, they do anything to avoid change. The fear of changing is often one of the biggest fears a person can have.

And when you look at this movement its all the same, you see that its all about reporting the best doom, the worst incidents, post the craziest shit that you can possibly find on the net, and the mob will applaude you for it. Find the best and biggest problem we have, and then we will give you lots of green karma for it. Then we can all gather around and talk about how incredibly fucked we are afterwards, and how soon this world is going to hell. And last but not least, how ''little'' we can do about it.

People are only looking at this in a problem view, and nobody is really looking for the solution. People belive in good vs evil, the great battle, jesus vs satan and all the other bullshit. They belive in a false premise of good and evil. They have a twisted worldview because they have a FEARBASED pattern of thinking.

We are not a greater good than we can imagine ourselves, and we cannot imagine greater goodness than what we belive in. If we belive we are nothing, then we will get nothing, if we belive that its over, than it will feel like that to live as well. Our perceptions are the world we live in, and its all individual, and all just a choice. Always!

People have to raise their own strenght by clearing their mind of fear. They have to become strong enough ''logically'' to be a real asset for this movement instead of running around screaming and cursing in anger to people within their own movement with different opinions.

People who are driven largely by fear are ''tools''. They are slaves to their own emotions. And they react to it blindly. They will lie to themselves in any way possible to fight back the change.

The only way for people to interact with these fears is to open themselves up to a more solutionbased and ''happy'' reality.

And that is only done by removing their own fears one by one. The only way to remove fear is to replace one set of memories or behaviours with another. If you have a fear in life then theres a pieces in your puzzle that is causing this fear.

The more unecessary pieces you remove from your own puzzle the easier it will be to see what is really evil and what is blindness and what is true love. You will see people for what they are and not what your ego or fear is telling you that they are.

And most importantly you will see who are your enemies =)

And who are not ^^
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


You said all of this but you didn't actually address what I said, or answer my questions. I didn't think you would though since you clearly can't.

There is a difference between good and evil, and they are not one in the same as this guy Luke is implying. If you are going to argue it with me then actually address what I said perhaps?
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Excellent post OP,

After years of obsessively searching for the truth of things outside of me I filled my head up with a lot of rubbish and I was quite angry/fearful of things . I was carrying around this huge baggage in my mind. But one day something told me to let it all go and wow what a release. Since then I'm learning to release more and more of what I/ego had built around my self. Its not lime flicking a switch and hey presto but it can be very beautiful when ye let things go or wounds heal. Learning to listen and feel from the heart real changes takes place. It can be like seeing the world anew, childlike.

We really entangle ourselves into such a mess sometimes

Lately I like just observing my little dog. How simple and uncluttered he must see things. No judgement of others no resentment, no mind games, no hate, just wants food a good walk and some love. Living in the now moment all just is.

So i just keep this sorta mantra in my head as i go. Just be love, no labels no judgement, see the beauty in nature, be helpful to people if you can. Be you, your self, listen to your hearth and have love and compassion as you go.

Blessings and love to all.

hf
 Quoting: paler


Fantastic story and thanks for sharing =) I have gone through the same experiences and share some of the same views =)

I loved to hear the story about your dog, its the same way i implent the beauty in my life, you can find it in basically anything. The more you love the stronger you are.

You are love, pure love, accepting fear is like dimming the light bulb, the more fear you choose, the darker it gets. The more you are able to love your own experience, the more love can you give to others, and understand yourself.

Love is true knowledge. Love is helping, love is understanding, but most importantly, love is always RIGHT NOW ^^
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER

Yes, being in the now moment,



"The obsession to find truth, can also become an inability to see truth."
sometime ago i felt love, a connection to pure unconditional love, of oneness. Not just the love of another person\friend. It was just pure bliss, that is the only way i can describe it. Just a glimpse but completely life changing. This was all the truth i needed if that makes sense.

It is my belief that someday we will all be in this state and nothing else will have mattered, all our thoughts, opinions,everything we have held onto and what has been etc will melt away and not matter one iota.

Anyway, have a lovely day.
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You said all of this but you didn't actually address what I said, or answer my questions. I didn't think you would though since you clearly can't.
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Then what is your question?

Good/bad are perceptions, they are individual labels, they are created most of the time out of fear. The normal humans thoughts are 80% negative.

What is it that you dont understand?

If you label things as good or bad all the time then you give them personal meaning, meanings which maybe arent true.



There is a difference between good and evil, and they are not one in the same as this guy Luke is implying. If you are going to argue it with me then actually address what I said perhaps?

Do you have any clue how loaded with spelling errors this post of yours is by the way?
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We are energy, we are all one, good and evil is part of the SAME frequency!

You never have 100 % love or 100% evil, its not a switch you switch off from one or the other.

Even if you experience love, your life may still be filled with fear.

Its never black or white, its always both.

Bad/good is always just a label/thought away. It can go from bad to good and it can go to good to bad, nothing is constant.

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I belive that the extreme levels of evilness going on right now has been a HUGE trigger of the people who are starting to understand whats going on, i mean that goes almost without saying, they go hand in hand. We have reached a climax where enough is enough, and we would never have reached this climax without all this evil. Now like mentioned earlier, i dont think that the perfect world needs evil to learn good, but in many ways this world needed it, and sadly it still does and will do for some time.
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


All that you are describing here is good countering evil, that's it.

Evil does not create good OK, it doesn't work like that.

This is the big lie that evil is actually good or necessary, etc. and what it does is to allow people to think that being evil is OK.

You can try and argue this until you are blue in the face, but you just can't "win" the argument since the position is flawed.

If you look at it from a universal perspective they clearly both "exist" and affect things, but we should strive to eliminate evilness if we ever want peace and harmony on earth. It's just absurd that some people think what these global elite guys are doing is OK because they are just "playing their part." What they are doing is destroying the world for their own selfish interests, and it is very much evil. There is nothing good about it, and if they hadn't done it then there wouldn't even be a problem in the first place.

Does justifying the presence of evil do anything to usher in peace and harmony? I don't think so, what it does is create the fucked up world we currently live in. What ushers in peace and harmony is acts of love, kindness, caring, and understanding (goodness).

To claim that good will only come out evil is just absurd. This is the motto of the 33 degree in freemasonry "Ordo ab Chao" or "order out of chaos" and it's a damn lie. They believe that you need to destroy the world, and then rebuild it (in their image no less) in order to make things better.

It's called problem reaction solution. They create the problem (chaos) then they create and provide the solution (order) but it's their order and it's only concerned with giving them control and power over others. In essence it's just evil, and it is good that will overcome this evilness to set things straight.

You say that my vision is a vision of a perfect future, well you're damn right that is what it is but so what though? To say the world isn't like that right now means nothing, and I am well aware of the existence of evil OK. I am the one who said that these elite assholes sacrifice human beings remember?
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Then what is your question?

Good/bad are perceptions, they are individual labels, they are created most of the time out of fear. The normal humans thoughts are 80% negative.

What is it that you dont understand?

If you label things as good or bad all the time then you give them personal meaning, meanings which maybe arent true.
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You are just talking in circles, and asking me to repeat myself.

What is it that I don't understand lol?

As if you are going to teach me oh great master! You don't even know that good and evil are real concepts, I shudder to think how many other important things you dont' know.

No they aren't just perceptions, and as I already explained in another post there is subjective and objective truth.

You can claim that sacrificing an innocent child in a Satanic ritual is good (which people do) but it's still evil. All you are doing is confusing the truth.

There is subjective and objective truth, and if your subjective truth isn't aligned with objective truth then that's simply your error. It does not change what the objective truth is.
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there is great difference between an opening post and other post. The opening post is always a blind conversation opener to whomever it may concern. As such, it is much more of a theatrical act.

But when you reply, you initiate a personal communication, and if beside an open mind you would also have an open heart you would first try to target the level of consciousness of the other, not making guesses about him without really communicating with him :)
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You seem like you really buy into social norms lol, I don't though just so you know.

If you look beside the name of the person that made the thread it says "OP."

It's one way to refer to the author of the thread, kinda surprised you don't know this.
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social norms haha, good one.
you do not bother to make real communication with others.
your perception is full of how others 'seem to be' :)

as to the point you are addressing about good and evil, it is indeed basic stuff.

there are many who say there is no good and evil, that they are both the same. usually the point can be proven by asking them why don't they go and kill someone in this case, because it should be all the same.

but, do you have something meaningful to share, something that you figured out about how things work that would worth mentioning? or you just pick other's energy and detour it?
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social norms haha, good one.
you do not bother to make real communication with others.
your perception is full of how others 'seem to be' :)

as to the point you are addressing about good and evil, it is indeed basic stuff.

there are many who say there is no good and evil, that they are both the same. usually the point can be proven by asking them why don't they go and kill someone in this case, because it should be all the same.

but, do you have something meaningful to share, something that you figured out about how things work that would worth mentioning? or you just pick other's energy and detour it?
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Do I have something meaningful to share?

I am writing you a damn book here in this thread if you hadn't noticed?

Stop being a hater OK, it's simply pathetic.





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