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Anonymous Coward User ID: 37097921 United States 03/30/2013 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP's post criticizes and speaks condescendingly about other beliefs. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37097921 However, a problem, I see, with these posts, is that when you dig deep, and find the person's actual beliefs, the same person who criticizes other beliefs, is ironically presenting another alternative belief system. The person, believe his / her beliefs, is somehow more evolved and transcended since it's not labeled / 'tagged', but this is false. The person, is merely presenting his / her own personal beliefs. Everybody wants to be the teacher, and nobody wants to listen. The irony |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36663943 United Kingdom 03/30/2013 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no truth in your post, the title of this thread however is a different matter Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36663943 Feel free to elaborate! Or are you also just one of those one liners ^^ ? You can be led astray from truth to the point you don't recognise it or feel it it's a tightrope you walk without realising that you are walking it There are tricks however Whatever the popular opinion is... is usually the complete opposite But be careful that you don't trick yourself The new age movement has seduced many |
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(OP) User ID: 35650651 Norway 03/30/2013 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP's post criticizes and speaks condescendingly about other beliefs. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37097921 However, a problem, I see, with these posts, is that when you dig deep, and find the person's actual beliefs, the same person who criticizes other beliefs, is ironically presenting another alternative belief system. The person, believe his / her beliefs, is somehow more evolved and transcended since it's not labeled / 'tagged', but this is false. The person, is merely presenting his / her own personal beliefs. Everybody wants to be the teacher, and nobody wants to listen. The irony Another judge and another verdict. Where have i said that i am a teacher? And if i was here ''teaching'', what do you know about ME that would make that ironic? You are assuming but you dont know. Last Edited by DontBeAfraidEVER on 03/30/2013 01:43 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37097921 United States 03/30/2013 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP's post criticizes and speaks condescendingly about other beliefs. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37097921 However, a problem, I see, with these posts, is that when you dig deep, and find the person's actual beliefs, the same person who criticizes other beliefs, is ironically presenting another alternative belief system. The person, believe his / her beliefs, is somehow more evolved and transcended since it's not labeled / 'tagged', but this is false. The person, is merely presenting his / her own personal beliefs. Everybody wants to be the teacher, and nobody wants to listen. The irony Another judge and another verdict. Where have i said that i am a teacher? And if i was here ''teaching'', what do you know about ME that would make that ironic? You are assuming but you dont know. lol, once again the irony. |
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(OP) User ID: 35650651 Norway 03/30/2013 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no truth in your post, the title of this thread however is a different matter Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36663943 Feel free to elaborate! Or are you also just one of those one liners ^^ ? You can be led astray from truth to the point you don't recognise it or feel it it's a tightrope you walk without realising that you are walking it Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36663943 There are tricks however Whatever the popular opinion is... is usually the complete opposite But be careful that you don't trick yourself The new age movement has seduced many And how is this related to this post? Where is the led astray from truth in this message? Can you point it out or are you just assuming it since you ''think'' that i am a new ager? You see my message, you think to yourself, ahhh hes a new ager, then you think of all the other new age messsages you have read or seen, and then you think that i share all of these belives with them. There is NO new age movement. There is no group, no rules, no stated truth. The new age movement is working the same way as the anonoymous movemvent, its just a group of people with huge variety of opinions concerning the same cases. I am not what you have read before about new agers, i am just me. Dont label me =) And again, please feel free to pin point out what you disagree with instead of just saying its like this and that ^^ Last Edited by DontBeAfraidEVER on 03/30/2013 01:49 PM |
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(OP) User ID: 35650651 Norway 03/30/2013 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35650651 Everybody wants to be the teacher, and nobody wants to listen. The irony Another judge and another verdict. Where have i said that i am a teacher? And if i was here ''teaching'', what do you know about ME that would make that ironic? You are assuming but you dont know. lol, once again the irony. Whatever you say dear =) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 36663943 United Kingdom 03/30/2013 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no truth in your post, the title of this thread however is a different matter Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36663943 Feel free to elaborate! Or are you also just one of those one liners ^^ ? You can be led astray from truth to the point you don't recognise it or feel it it's a tightrope you walk without realising that you are walking it Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36663943 There are tricks however Whatever the popular opinion is... is usually the complete opposite But be careful that you don't trick yourself The new age movement has seduced many And how is this related to this post? Where is the led astray from truth in this message? Can you point it out or are you just assuming it since you ''think'' that i am a new ager? You see my message, you think to yourself, ahhh hes a new ager, then you think of all the other new age messsages and then you think that i share all of these belives with them. There is no new age movement. There is no group, no rules, no stated truth. The new age movement is working the same way as the anonoymous movemvent, its just a group of people with huge variety of opinions concerning the same cases. I am not what you have read before about new agers, i am just me. Dont label me =) And again, please feel free to pin point out what you disagree with instead of just saying its like this and that ^^ We have all been corrupted by the new age movement in one way or another it's realising that you have been thought I'd let you know you had it's not an attack or anything your obviously very intelligent but be wary that intelligence can lead to the title of your post |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 10562199 United States 03/30/2013 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No one can fully 'know' themselves, until they have been sifted. When they have gone thru this, they will only find that they 'know' just enough, to not like what they 'know'. Only then can the infinite be known, and one can be known by the infinite. Human knowledge is temporal finite. Infinite knowledge is infinite. Become known by the infinite to begin to know thyself/finite. Not the otter way around. Cray on |
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(OP) User ID: 35650651 Norway 03/30/2013 02:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35650651 Feel free to elaborate! Or are you also just one of those one liners ^^ ? You can be led astray from truth to the point you don't recognise it or feel it it's a tightrope you walk without realising that you are walking it Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36663943 There are tricks however Whatever the popular opinion is... is usually the complete opposite But be careful that you don't trick yourself The new age movement has seduced many And how is this related to this post? Where is the led astray from truth in this message? Can you point it out or are you just assuming it since you ''think'' that i am a new ager? You see my message, you think to yourself, ahhh hes a new ager, then you think of all the other new age messsages and then you think that i share all of these belives with them. There is no new age movement. There is no group, no rules, no stated truth. The new age movement is working the same way as the anonoymous movemvent, its just a group of people with huge variety of opinions concerning the same cases. I am not what you have read before about new agers, i am just me. Dont label me =) And again, please feel free to pin point out what you disagree with instead of just saying its like this and that ^^ We have all been corrupted by the new age movement in one way or another it's realising that you have been thought I'd let you know you had it's not an attack or anything your obviously very intelligent but be wary that intelligence can lead to the title of your post You havent been corrupted by a movement, thats the main poin im trying to make here. You have been corrupted by single individuals and your own intuition. Lets say that you and me had spent 100 hours each reading on the new age movement and then we would get together and talk about it. Do you think that we would share a similiar opinion? The sad fact is that we wouldnt, not even if we had read and watched the very same things. Our old beliefs and thought patterns are very much used to percive incoming information. Your old beliefs and thought patterns could make a sentence into real stupidity but for me it could be the greatest truth. Maybe i had 10 pages of information to back up this truth, and therefore it was easier for me to conclude it as truth. But you on the other side had only a limited knowledge behind the meaning of this sentence, therefore in your head your interpretation would be very different. Theres so much connections, and what im trying to talk about in this thread is that if you lose some of the connections that you dont need, that arent imporant, it will be easier to look at things more objectivly. For example; If i read a post by a christian on this forum, i try to see it from his perspective, and not all christians perspective. I cannot let my old thoughts about christianity interact with my reasoning when i interact with others. I want to connect with the person, not his beliefs. Also i dont belive that people are not intelligent, i belive that there is no such thing, i belive it all cooks down to lack of experience. Experience = Knowledge Sometimes you have to pick the wrong bull, to be able to find the right one! Last Edited by DontBeAfraidEVER on 03/30/2013 02:29 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 29801624 United States 03/30/2013 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36663943 ... There are tricks however Whatever the popular opinion is... is usually the complete opposite But be careful that you don't trick yourself The new age movement has seduced many And how is this related to this post? Where is the led astray from truth in this message? Can you point it out or are you just assuming it since you ''think'' that i am a new ager? You see my message, you think to yourself, ahhh hes a new ager, then you think of all the other new age messsages and then you think that i share all of these belives with them. There is no new age movement. There is no group, no rules, no stated truth. The new age movement is working the same way as the anonoymous movemvent, its just a group of people with huge variety of opinions concerning the same cases. I am not what you have read before about new agers, i am just me. Dont label me =) And again, please feel free to pin point out what you disagree with instead of just saying its like this and that ^^ We have all been corrupted by the new age movement in one way or another it's realising that you have been thought I'd let you know you had it's not an attack or anything your obviously very intelligent but be wary that intelligence can lead to the title of your post You havent been corrupted by a movement, thats the main poin im trying to make here. You have been corrupted by single individuals and your own intuition. Lets say that you and me had spent 100 hours each reading on the new age movement and then we would get together and talk about it. Do you think that we would share a similiar opinion? The sad fact is that we wouldnt, not even if we had read and watched the very same things. Our old beliefs and thought patterns are very much used to percive incoming information. Your old beliefs and thought patterns could make a sentence into real stupidity but for me it could be the greatest truth. Maybe i had 10 pages of information to back up this truth, and therefore it was easier for me to conclude it as truth. But you on the other side had only a limited knowledge behind the meaning of this sentence, therefore in your head your interpretation would be very different. Theres so much connections, and what im trying to talk about in this thread is that if you lose some of the connections that you dont need, that arent imporant, it will be easier to look at things more objectivly. For example; If i read a post by a christian on this forum, i try to see it from his perspective, and not all christians perspective. I cannot let my old thoughts about christianity interact with my reasoning when i interact with others. I want to connect with the person, not his beliefs. Also i dont belive that people are not intelligent, i belive that there is no such thing, i belive it all cooks down to lack of experience. Experience = Knowledge Sometimes you have to pick the wrong bull, to be able to find the right one! Indeed. Experience = Knowledge. Understanding alludes one until it is experienced firsthand. |
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(OP) User ID: 35650651 Norway 03/30/2013 02:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | omg wall of text Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34765812 but i will answer the thread title Q only for those who have mental issues The whole world has mental issues, atleast thats my opinion. We have been living too long and some their entire life, in a fake constructed society that is abnormal for a human to live in. We are not living, we are adapting. We are ALL crazy =) But crazy can also be a good thing ^^ If you just admit in and dont avoid it ;) Last Edited by DontBeAfraidEVER on 03/30/2013 02:54 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29801624 United States 03/30/2013 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | omg wall of text Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34765812 but i will answer the thread title Q only for those who have mental issues The whole world has mental issues, atleast thats my opinion. We have been living too long and some their entire life, in a fake constructed society that is abnormal for a human to live in. We are not living, we are adapting. We are ALL crazy =) But crazy can also be a good thing ^^ If you just admit in and dont avoid it ;) Yes and don't take life too seriously. Laugh! |
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User ID: 37151640 United Kingdom 03/30/2013 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sometimes truth can overwhelm reality, it doesn't mean it's not your truth......just not everyone else's which is ok because we should all hold on to our truth it's what makes us human, individual, and different from every single person on this planet we are unique that's what makes us so infallible.......always believe in yourself u r not wrong ever, your truth is your truth Occasional doomtard Official sciencetard Freethinker |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37086128 United States 03/30/2013 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "The obsession to find truth, can also become an inability to see truth" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7901784 The title say everything. Pretty good. Key word being 'CAN'. With it the whole premise falls apart. So what are you trying to say? You are always so short in words ^^ While the thesis has merit and holds many truths, it all hinges on the word 'can' for it to be so. It also doesn't have to be. It is but a matter of perspective and how you choose to see it. I choose the optimistic view. |
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(OP) User ID: 35650651 Norway 03/30/2013 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great post OP I have forwarded this to a relative as it really resonates with me. Hopefully the same message will join us together. Quoting: Shelljands I think laughing is good, too. Too easy to get too serious when wading in the world of archetypes, I'm really prone to this, I'm trying to work on it. Quoting: Junkyard Lily Thanks for the thoughts, OP. Sometimes truth can overwhelm reality, it doesn't mean it's not your truth......just not everyone else's which is ok because we should all hold on to our truth it's what makes us human, individual, and different from every single person on this planet we are unique that's what makes us so infallible.......always believe in yourself u r not wrong ever, your truth is your truth Quoting: Shelljands I agree with everything you wrote here =) "The obsession to find truth, can also become an inability to see truth" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7901784 The title say everything. Pretty good. Key word being 'CAN'. With it the whole premise falls apart. So what are you trying to say? You are always so short in words ^^ While the thesis has merit and holds many truths, it all hinges on the word 'can' for it to be so. It also doesn't have to be. It is but a matter of perspective and how you choose to see it. I choose the optimistic view. You are looking at this from your own perspective now i assume? If so then your answer makes sense to me, if not then i think we disagree hehe ^^ I belive many people are looking and looking but they dont know what they are looking for. They have only looked on things from the outside perspective instead of diving within. They think that there is something which they have to learn, so they read and read and read, on everything and anything, but they never stop up, and just think from within =) But again, we might look at this from two veeery different perspectives :P |
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