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Major Ammo "Shortage"

 
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So... Ammo producers are shooting themselves in the foot for the love of money?

Can't refuse insanely large orders by the agencies and supply to the citizens first.

It's the American way... or ~was~.
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I can't say with ant certainly, whether its for money or not. But any corporation wants to produce good profit margins for its stock holders. That is all. So if those figures are met by friend or foe, the process does not care.
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I was at a gun show this past weekend and there was plenty of ammo to be bought up, in all calibers, albeit quite pricey.

I knew that it was going to be harder to find good stocks of the more common caliber's (22lr, 223, 9mm, etc) so I bought an AK and a few boxes of 7.62 x 39 for 8 bucks each.

And I can find 1000 rounds of 7.62 HP online for about $450 USD.

As ammo becomes harder to find, it might be a good idea to look into which ammo is the most readily available and most easily manufactured and think about buying into firearms of that caliber.
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what you have right now is pretty much it. If your lucky you'll find a few boxes here and there.
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I work for the US's largest producer and distributor of tactical hand gun ammunition, ask me a question.

No seriously, our projections for back order, and new contracts with global alphabet agencies is a jaw dropper. I feel like I'm working for satan, or at least satan's bottom bitch.

Ammunition is not being squeezed/pinched from the shelves, it is literally being purchased by the public at theses shelf clearing speeds. Along with guns.

We are 5.6 billion rounds back ordered (these are paid orders) for 22LR alone. That's roughly 3 1/2 years of 24 hr production of product, we are behind.

Don't get me started about 40S&W or 5.56
All going to DSHS and ICE

Chilling thought

Ammunition producers are now in the back pocket of the PTB, and business is booming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24311504


This doesn't make sense. Where are the GSA contracts to substantiate this? Furthermore, the retail value of the ammo far-and-away exceeds what the gov't would have negotiated the price for. What stockholder or capital investor would be willing to give anything away?
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I work for the US's largest producer and distributor of tactical hand gun ammunition, ask me a question.

No seriously, our projections for back order, and new contracts with global alphabet agencies is a jaw dropper. I feel like I'm working for satan, or at least satan's bottom bitch.

Ammunition is not being squeezed/pinched from the shelves, it is literally being purchased by the public at theses shelf clearing speeds. Along with guns.

We are 5.6 billion rounds back ordered (these are paid orders) for 22LR alone. That's roughly 3 1/2 years of 24 hr production of product, we are behind.

Don't get me started about 40S&W or 5.56
All going to DSHS and ICE

Chilling thought

Ammunition producers are now in the back pocket of the PTB, and business is booming.
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bs...manufactures could build more factories. Hell they could build 100 new factories if demand is there....but they are not doing that.. someone is wrong here...
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You would think, hell, that's the thought process I subscribe to. But it's not playing out that way. No expansion in sight, (nothing substantial anyway). If the corporations sales is up (and it is) and the PTB are stuffing money down the pants of said corp, that the average Joe gets to kick rocks. It's not like the corp is concerned about doubling in size over night to stalk Cabelas and Sportsmans Warehouse. You know?
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Why build more facilities when you can just increase your staffs work load, which is what has happened. Went from working 4 10's, to 4 12's. We are dragging ass tired and continually looking to have overtime shifts filled.
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obviously this theory isn't working....they are not keeping up with demand by a mile....just increasing worker hours does shit for this kind of demand.....
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03/18/2013 06:39 PM
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It takes a long time to build a new factory.

Of course, I hear the interest rates are good if any makers need to borrow.

chuckle
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03/18/2013 06:41 PM
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I saw this coming(a bit late..oct. 2012) and got about $1000 worth of .223, .22, .40 and .38spcl. I stopped shooting them about 2 1/2 months ago when shit got real witht the shortage. I still hear alot of folks around here (Central NC) shooting and i wonder how much they've got stored up if they're out blasting round off all saturday.

With the hype over gun bans/new laws, I think it's a way of everyone sayin:' Yeah I got guns...try and take them! I wis they'd save their ammo for when they really need it to save our town/state.
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people need practice. Went looking for some .40 today just to hit up the range and keep sharp. None to be found at either place I stopped.
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03/18/2013 06:42 PM
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It's inexplicable. This goes WAY beyond a matter of supply and demand. Olin alone can knock out a million rounds a day. How many other ordinance manufacturers are there? Loads of them. Furthermore, there's been no discussion of surplus ammo or imports from Wolf, PRVI, etc. drying up. No, this absurd condition has undoubtedly been engineered.

I've had a rifle on order since DEC 2012. Same situation. I was #3 on a list for the same weapon when I ordered it. The manufacturer is less than an hour from the retailer, who incidentally has a direct relationship with them. I was informed in FEB by the manufacturer that they were meeting production schedules and 90-days out on the model I ordered. I figured, worst-case scenario, I should see it no later than 28MAR2013 if I applied that information. I have heard NOTHING from the manufacturer or the retailer to date, and the 28th is rapidly approaching. If I didn't know better, I'd allege the gov't is somehow stockpiling weapons or paying manufacturers not to produce them.
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I have heard a number of "insider" stories that this is exactly what is happening.
The .gov is buying everything it can (with YOUR tax dollars) to keep it out of the hands of "We The People".
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03/18/2013 06:45 PM
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Lake City is laying people off. Do a search you'll find it
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bassproshop

This was what I saw at the BPS in Harrisburg, PA in Jan--empty gun cases and tons of people swarming over the couple of handguns left and a little ammo (btw, the guy and his son are looking at scopes, not guns in that case.) About an hour away at Cabela's it was the same thing. Highly doubtful we'll be seeing the shelves restocked anytime soon.

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It's inexplicable. This goes WAY beyond a matter of supply and demand. Olin alone can knock out a million rounds a day. How many other ordinance manufacturers are there? Loads of them. Furthermore, there's been no discussion of surplus ammo or imports from Wolf, PRVI, etc. drying up. No, this absurd condition has undoubtedly been engineered.

I've had a rifle on order since DEC 2012. Same situation. I was #3 on a list for the same weapon when I ordered it. The manufacturer is less than an hour from the retailer, who incidentally has a direct relationship with them. I was informed in FEB by the manufacturer that they were meeting production schedules and 90-days out on the model I ordered. I figured, worst-case scenario, I should see it no later than 28MAR2013 if I applied that information. I have heard NOTHING from the manufacturer or the retailer to date, and the 28th is rapidly approaching. If I didn't know better, I'd allege the gov't is somehow stockpiling weapons or paying manufacturers not to produce them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35212804

I have heard a number of "insider" stories that this is exactly what is happening.
The .gov is buying everything it can (with YOUR tax dollars) to keep it out of the hands of "We The People".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36300966


What shouldn't be forgotten here is that those gov't ammo orders came BEFORE the shooting in CT.
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03/18/2013 06:54 PM
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I picked up some ammo from Walmart yesterday here in Arkansas. The ammo rack was about 90% empty. I managed to get my limit of 3 boxes of shells. It was 12 ga 00 buck. I got 3 of 5 boxes that were there. Other than field loads it was the only 12 ga stuff they had and it was 2 3/4 (which suits me fine for home defense). They had no .22, no handgun ammo, almost no high powered rifle stuff either. They had a couple boxes of 45-70 and 7mm mag. No 30-0-6, no 30-30, no 308, nothing.

I've noticed on Cheaper than dirt that you have to check them at least twice a day; once in the morning and once in the afternoon. When they get the shooter ammo in good calibers like 5.56, 7.62x39, and .308 it will often sell out in a few hours.
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It's inexplicable. This goes WAY beyond a matter of supply and demand. Olin alone can knock out a million rounds a day. How many other ordinance manufacturers are there? Loads of them. Furthermore, there's been no discussion of surplus ammo or imports from Wolf, PRVI, etc. drying up. No, this absurd condition has undoubtedly been engineered.

I've had a rifle on order since DEC 2012. Same situation. I was #3 on a list for the same weapon when I ordered it. The manufacturer is less than an hour from the retailer, who incidentally has a direct relationship with them. I was informed in FEB by the manufacturer that they were meeting production schedules and 90-days out on the model I ordered. I figured, worst-case scenario, I should see it no later than 28MAR2013 if I applied that information. I have heard NOTHING from the manufacturer or the retailer to date, and the 28th is rapidly approaching. If I didn't know better, I'd allege the gov't is somehow stockpiling weapons or paying manufacturers not to produce them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35212804

I have heard a number of "insider" stories that this is exactly what is happening.
The .gov is buying everything it can (with YOUR tax dollars) to keep it out of the hands of "We The People".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36300966


I'm a breath away from calling out both the manufacturer and the retailer here on GLP. It's just a gun, but the point is I HATE being lied to. Another little pearl from the customer service department of this particular manufacturer: Having read the GSA bid information for M4's w/1:7 twist, among other key features, I had to ask if "ACME Black Rifle" had any existing contracts or if they were bidding on any. They replied, "No, although we'd love to and will work toward that in the future." Meanwhile, they advertise NFA weapons that meet the very criteria named in the bid specs. Argh!!!
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I went to Gander Mtn, no handgun ammo period. Went on Cheaper Than Dirt, all but 1 overpriced brand of 9mm out of stock. Went to Bass Pro Shop and both the ammo and handgun racks shelves were almost bare. Employees had no clue when or if more would be available. wtf

Let me know if your state is any better, I am in IL!
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We can get reloaded rounds for 9mm, .45, and .223 rounds in Missouri but you're gonna pay for it.
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I went to Gander Mtn, no handgun ammo period. Went on Cheaper Than Dirt, all but 1 overpriced brand of 9mm out of stock. Went to Bass Pro Shop and both the ammo and handgun racks shelves were almost bare. Employees had no clue when or if more would be available. wtf

Let me know if your state is any better, I am in IL!
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I take it you're in the Dallas / Ft. Worth area
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federal is working day and night and cant keep up backorded
for 3 years of ammo my cousin sets up the dies there
We are a REPUBLIC.If we can keep it MORAN!
A pissed off American Veteran!
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The local gunshop/pawnshop that I frequent is still selling guns as fast as they can get them. Before this gun grab crap got started he said he was selling maybe 8 guns a day, which was more than before Obama got in office. Now he is selling 20 guns a day and said he could easily sell twice that if he could get them. He gets in 8 or 9 AR15s a week and there is a call list a hundred people long of people waiting to get one. This means this one gunshop (there are about 8 gunshops in my little city) has 400 guns a month leaving it's doors including a few dozen AR15s. Multiply that times the 8 gun stores in this city of 55,000 people and that comes to thousands of guns a month.

He has plenty of hunting rifles and shotguns, but semi auto anything is absent from the shelves. There were a few glocks and one 1911 commander on his shelf last week.
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It's inexplicable. This goes WAY beyond a matter of supply and demand. Olin alone can knock out a million rounds a day. How many other ordinance manufacturers are there? Loads of them. Furthermore, there's been no discussion of surplus ammo or imports from Wolf, PRVI, etc. drying up. No, this absurd condition has undoubtedly been engineered.

I've had a rifle on order since DEC 2012. Same situation. I was #3 on a list for the same weapon when I ordered it. The manufacturer is less than an hour from the retailer, who incidentally has a direct relationship with them. I was informed in FEB by the manufacturer that they were meeting production schedules and 90-days out on the model I ordered. I figured, worst-case scenario, I should see it no later than 28MAR2013 if I applied that information. I have heard NOTHING from the manufacturer or the retailer to date, and the 28th is rapidly approaching. If I didn't know better, I'd allege the gov't is somehow stockpiling weapons or paying manufacturers not to produce them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35212804

I have heard a number of "insider" stories that this is exactly what is happening.
The .gov is buying everything it can (with YOUR tax dollars) to keep it out of the hands of "We The People".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36300966


What shouldn't be forgotten here is that those gov't ammo orders came BEFORE the shooting in CT.
 Quoting: telling it straight


This is true, but larger orders were made more recently but they are not being announced publicly.

Timing is everything and if you knew why this is being done know then you know how serious what is coming will be.
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I'd like to hear from machinists or machine shop representatives. What's the story with components? There should be windfall profits to be had for the taking right now. Or has Barack had words with these independent businesses as well?
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The gun ranges must be hating this shortage... No one wants to go to the range anymore because they have no idea when they'll be able to restock on ammo....
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bs...manufactures could build more factories. Hell they could build 100 new factories if demand is there....but they are not doing that.. someone is wrong here...
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You would think, hell, that's the thought process I subscribe to. But it's not playing out that way. No expansion in sight, (nothing substantial anyway). If the corporations sales is up (and it is) and the PTB are stuffing money down the pants of said corp, that the average Joe gets to kick rocks. It's not like the corp is concerned about doubling in size over night to stalk Cabelas and Sportsmans Warehouse. You know?
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Why build more facilities when you can just increase your staffs work load, which is what has happened. Went from working 4 10's, to 4 12's. We are dragging ass tired and continually looking to have overtime shifts filled.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24311504


obviously this theory isn't working....they are not keeping up with demand by a mile....just increasing worker hours does shit for this kind of demand.....
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I'm not the guy that builds the business model, nor do I claim to know the intricacies of what is really happening at the negotiation and decision making levels.
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Ammotard
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The gun ranges must be hating this shortage... No one wants to go to the range anymore because they have no idea when they'll be able to restock on ammo....
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I was out at the local state run gun range 2 sundays ago when it warmed up, here in Ohio. I got there late in the day and it was still busy. They said it was packed earlier. $24 for the 10 month season. I wonder how the private indoor ranges are fairing....
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I went to Gander Mtn, no handgun ammo period. Went on Cheaper Than Dirt, all but 1 overpriced brand of 9mm out of stock. Went to Bass Pro Shop and both the ammo and handgun racks shelves were almost bare. Employees had no clue when or if more would be available. wtf

Let me know if your state is any better, I am in IL!
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see my post re gunbot.net
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
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gunstores near me have AR-15's and AK's, and .446 NATO/.223 too... bricks for cheap. Im in Oregon.
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I really don't understand the point of buying guns when you can't get ammo for them.
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I work for the US's largest producer and distributor of tactical hand gun ammunition, ask me a question.

No seriously, our projections for back order, and new contracts with global alphabet agencies is a jaw dropper. I feel like I'm working for satan, or at least satan's bottom bitch.

Ammunition is not being squeezed/pinched from the shelves, it is literally being purchased by the public at theses shelf clearing speeds. Along with guns.

We are 5.6 billion rounds back ordered (these are paid orders) for 22LR alone. That's roughly 3 1/2 years of 24 hr production of product, we are behind.

Don't get me started about 40S&W or 5.56
All going to DSHS and ICE

Chilling thought

Ammunition producers are now in the back pocket of the PTB, and business is booming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24311504


This doesn't make sense. Where are the GSA contracts to substantiate this? Furthermore, the retail value of the ammo far-and-away exceeds what the gov't would have negotiated the price for. What stockholder or capital investor would be willing to give anything away?
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I just show up. I am a lowly assembler privy to stats and graphs displayed at company meetings. I'm not claiming to be on the inside, with special intel from my uncle at the top. Just a working mans prospective of the situation from the inside of a ammunition production facility, mixed with the for cite of someone not as sleep, or smugly skeptical.
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[link to www.topammunitionsites.com]

[link to luckygunner.com] their shipping is high but they always have ammo.
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Usually when I see something on Lucky, I add to cart and get the message about being notifed when available.
:magnum:
Same with Sportsman's.
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Love my 4" GP
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