I just got the perfect answer to the Omnipotence paradox!!!

Yes,I do think that.

The first voter gave me 3 stars!!
So he thinks this might be awesome or might not be awesome?

Nobody appreciates this historic event... when a centuries old paradox was answered?

The Omnipotent God does not directly interact with matter. Not because he can't, but because it is beneath him, and things that are beneath him do not happen and are not even considered.

But God is omnipresent too. So He is present in matter too.

God is Conciousness, and therefore any matter that is also concious/sentient contains a holographic fragment of the Omnipotent/Omnipresent God. But This Omnipresence mostly takes hold in the Astral, spiritual shapes that overlap the actual matter.

God is not found in Matter; Matter is the Polar opposite of Spirit.

I believe your error is to confuse the shell of everything as the Most High God. The Shell is not God, the shell is the paradox itself, and God is found with spirit/conciousness on the one side of the duality.

Take a circle, the inside of the circle contains everything and nothing.

This paradox sorts itself out into "I am" and "I am NOT"

These two halves then form the dualistic universe to sort out the paradox.

The line of the circle that contains everything is not God but contains the event horizon that forms God.

God = spirit
spirit = energy
energy = matter

Therefore, God = matter
Hence proved

God would have to become that stone.

Mods, this thread is pin worthy and not pin worthy at the same time. It all depends on the observer, I mean, the mod.

We will find that the energy found in matter that is measurable to Science is NOT the same as the stuff of spirit, but is it's mirrored expression.

the only true spirit in matter was the Fallen and then now is in mankind.

There is nothing that God is not. If there were, God would not be omnipotent because "he" would be finite. If there was even a molecule that was "outside" of God, God would be imperfect and destructable. And If there were something outside of God, where did God get the "stuff" to make that thing? God is the only thing that exists.

Or... that stone would have to become God.

You're on the right track OP. God is the ultimate dichotomy. The answer to that question is no, God cannot create a stone bigger than "he" can lift. Because God is the both the stone and the lifter. However, the answer is also yes, God can create a stone bigger than "he" can lift by manifesting as a finite form (you) that does not have the strength required to lift another of "his" finite forms (the stone).

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Your freewill is the stone he created, but cannot lift.

Not because he cannot,

but because he loves you to have the gift.

Exactly! So this paradox ceases to exist.

If the chosen answer is "God can make that stone". Then before you begin to say "Aha! See, he is not omni...", the answer becomes, "God cannot make that stone".

And vice versa.

Last Edited by SambhavaamiYugeYuge on 03/18/2013 11:37 AM

The idea of "Free will" and "God's love" is religion!
And the God of religion, by definition cannot be omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient.

Free will is self evident.

And God's love is witnessed in all of creation.

When it rains, it rains on the wicked and the good alike.

When the sun rises it shine on the wicked and good alike.

The stars at night, the moon with her soft glow, the wind, the storms, the fire of the lightning, is before all mankind regardless of religion.

And no matter what you have done you have been gifted Life.

And at it's appointed time, that life will be taken from all.

What you do with it is your choice.

Everyone's sleeping!

Question... how can everything you mentioned above, like rain, sun, stars, time, etc. be God's doing and our choice/free will alone, not?

There is truly no "stuff"

The paradox that forces a holographic existence is contained within a singularity of potential, in timelessness, and all that has happend or is happening or will happen is in one non-moment.

Within this paradox things sort themselves out into duality, am and am not.

The parenthesis of the paradox that contains this duality is not itself God, it is only inert potential when viewed from an outside perspective.

It is only by taking the perspective as one within the duality that we see that God is contained within it as all conciousness, all intelligence, all spirit, all life, all love and all everything else that is on that side of the equation or "Magnet" if you will.

This should not be pinned as such useless mental excercises do not ultimately glorify God but confuse the uninitiated into ignoring the thing entirely.

It is tedious to them.

Perhaps you are not understanding were you leave off and the universe begins?

That body you have is what you have free will over.

You can look at the sun, the moon, and the stars, or you can close your eyes.

Its just that some people came in and confused the whole post, otherwise this needed more attention.

You are the stone that God created, only God can't lift itself up. It has no "way".

What is called a paradox only appears to be the case as up until now history has offered no example of an act of God's omnipotence/omniscience to serve as a model. That may have changed? If it has, the question is not only answered' but resolved!

The first wholly new interpretation for two thousand years of the moral teachings of Christ has been published. Radically different from anything else we know of from theology or history, this new teaching is predicated upon a precise, predefined, and predictable experience of transcendent omnipotence and called 'the first Resurrection' in the sense that the Resurrection of Jesus was intended to demonstrate Gods' willingness to reveal Himself and intervene directly into the natural world for those obedient to His will, paving the way for access, by faith, to the power of divine Will and ultimate proof!

Thus 'faith' becomes an act of trust in action, the search to discover this direct individual intervention into the natural world by omnipotent power that confirms divine will, law, command and covenant, which at the same time, realigns our flawed human moral compass with the Divine, "correcting human nature by a change in natural law, altering biology, consciousness and human ethical perception beyond all natural evolutionary boundaries." So like it or no, a new religious teaching, testable by faith, meeting all Enlightenment criteria of evidence based causation and definitive proof now exists. Nothing short of an intellectual, moral and religious revolution is getting under way. To test or not to test, that is the question? More info at [link to www.energon.org.uk,]
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Unfortunately nobody realized the veracity of the proposed solution. I do not think that such a solution was proposed before.

The answer that God can and cannot make a stone so heavy that he himself cannot lift it essentially nullifies the paradox, just like an electron exists both as a particle and a wave at the same time, and shows the properties of either based on the observer.

PS: This is my last attempt to get sensible responses to this thread.



Last Edited by SambhavaamiYugeYuge on 03/24/2013 05:21 AM

I figure that God could only create a stone heavier than any he had lifted before, and then of course, find that he could lift it, and doing that would get boring really quickly.

However, it does raise with him the question of what it would be like to have a stone so heavy that he could not lift it. To answer this he has created us through which he can have this exprience.