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Anonymous Coward User ID: 34290394 Puerto Rico 03/13/2013 07:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. If it's any consolation, she won't be able to use a gun if the feds have their way. Guns are affected by EMP? Individual use of them is affected if they are confiscated. SO I miss the point... How after an EMP attack the authorities would consider to confiscate something, when there will be more important things to do? |
Skepticnumberone
User ID: 36091432 United States 03/13/2013 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36020980 United States 03/13/2013 07:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. After reflecting on the above statement have to disagree. Weapons technologies are far more advanced that we are allowed to know. Nanotechnology has enabled the creation of weapons of mass destruction that are invisible! For instance, nanoreplicators could be released over a target area. They could be programmed to remain dormant until a command was given them to replicate at a very rapid pace. They would consume the stuff of which humans are made of, such as water, and the invaded humans would simply die of dehydration. Lots of other scenarios too! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36020980 United States 03/13/2013 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. After reflecting on the above statement have to disagree. Weapons technologies are far more advanced that we are allowed to know. Nanotechnology has enabled the creation of weapons of mass destruction that are invisible! For instance, nanoreplicators could be released over a target area. They could be programmed to remain dormant until a command was given them to replicate at a very rapid pace. They would consume the stuff of which humans are made of, such as water, and the invaded humans would simply die of dehydration. Lots of other scenarios too! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36020980 Anyone who thinks that this "scenario" isn't possible needs to read the following: “We can envision a more insidious possibility. In a two-phased attack, the nanobots take several weeks to spread throughout the biomass but use up an insignificant portion of the carbon atoms, say one out of every quadrillion (1015). At this extremely low level of concentration, the nanobots would be as stealthy as possible [Freitas’ “Build” phase]. Then, at an “optimal” point, the second phase would begin with the seed nanobots expanding rapidly in place to destroy the biomass [Freitas’ “Destroy” phase]. For each seed nanobot to multiply itself a quadrillionfold would require only about 50 binary replications, or about 90 minutes.” [link to lifeboat.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36020980 United States 03/13/2013 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. After reflecting on the above statement have to disagree. Weapons technologies are far more advanced that we are allowed to know. Nanotechnology has enabled the creation of weapons of mass destruction that are invisible! For instance, nanoreplicators could be released over a target area. They could be programmed to remain dormant until a command was given them to replicate at a very rapid pace. They would consume the stuff of which humans are made of, such as water, and the invaded humans would simply die of dehydration. Lots of other scenarios too! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36020980 Anyone who thinks that this "scenario" isn't possible needs to read the following: “We can envision a more insidious possibility. In a two-phased attack, the nanobots take several weeks to spread throughout the biomass but use up an insignificant portion of the carbon atoms, say one out of every quadrillion (1015). At this extremely low level of concentration, the nanobots would be as stealthy as possible [Freitas’ “Build” phase]. Then, at an “optimal” point, the second phase would begin with the seed nanobots expanding rapidly in place to destroy the biomass [Freitas’ “Destroy” phase]. For each seed nanobot to multiply itself a quadrillionfold would require only about 50 binary replications, or about 90 minutes.” Now, lets add this little bit of information one way to combat a nanobot "attack" using guess what? AN EMP! "Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP). Nuclear weapon explosions are known to create very sharp pulses of high-intensity electromagnetic radiation that can destroy electronic equipment. EMP can also be generated by non-nuclear systems. Ecophages with onboard nanoelectronic components, including sensors, computers, electrical motors or generators, and power conduits, would be seriously damaged and probably rendered entirely inoperative, if exposed to EMP. Only ecophages with all-mechanical inner workings or that are heavily shielded would be immune to EMP damage." e) Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP). Nuclear weapon explosions are known to create very sharp pulses of high-intensity electromagnetic radiation that can destroy electronic equipment. EMP can also be generated by non-nuclear systems. Ecophages with onboard nanoelectronic components, including sensors, computers, electrical motors or generators, and power conduits, would be seriously damaged and probably rendered entirely inoperative, if exposed to EMP. Only ecophages with all-mechanical inner workings or that are heavily shielded would be immune to EMP damage." [link to lifeboat.com] Perhaps this will shed some light as to what is REALLY going on! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19932676 United States 03/13/2013 07:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. I haven't read any of the info you provided because I have a fairly good idea of the devastation this would bring on us. Quoting: Angelic_Warrior This thread irritates me for the same reason the series "24" did. Geeeeeeez .. why give them a play by play how debilitating it would be. This thread should be locked with security clearance mandatory for anyone wanting to get in. are you serious about this making you irritated.? hahahaaha! you don't think that one of the largest militaries in the world hasn't thought of this? geez. get a clue. |
TheTruthNeverLies
User ID: 28381736 United States 03/13/2013 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. Anyone play Homefront? Yea well this is it. "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth." "Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." "Religion and morality are the essential pillars of civil society." -George Washington, Father of our country & 1st President |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31036137 United States 03/13/2013 07:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. RF paint? I'll have to look into that. Does it come in my favorite colors? In all seriousness, I am grounded with copper and I have aluminum siding. However, I don't have a metal roof. One room is all I need. What impact would an EMP have physically on a person if any? I know a nuke would be bad news but what about the energy? Quoting: Skepticnumberone Yeah, it can be painted over with regular house paint. If done right, you won't even know the room was shielded. However, it works both ways. Can't have strong EM devices in the room either like cell phones. It would be like a very slow microwave oven if the grounding doesn't ground most the emission. Roughly $100 /gal. Very effective and shields a wide range. |
JasmineinNM
User ID: 15256858 United States 03/13/2013 07:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. I'm buying a book soon called 'One Second After', its about a man and his survival as soon as the emp hits. It was recommended that all Americans read it since it could very well happen, and gives some good survival tips. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30024377 Got that book two years ago... I keep reading it over and over. After reading that book I have been preparing for this very thing. We are going dark if not now soon. |
JasmineinNM
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 22151483 United States 03/13/2013 07:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. EMP's aren't as effective as you think. They definitely disrupt electronics, but a lot of stuff will be ok, and even more will come back online shorty after. Hawaii came back online after starfish prime, and very few electronics were permanently damaged. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 5366990 United States 03/13/2013 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. NK has shit, I get his Majesty, Cheney and Bush but a bomb? Get a Country and a life! When they work together! Call on the Quenn, wait for Henry or Kate, ya know the girl, Not preggers and the boi who will take the throne. Mark my words, Kate is not pregnant and Henry will take the crown. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36127608 United States 03/13/2013 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. EMP weapons technologies were developed and perfected in the "Star Wars" programs. Any missle launched from NK that even appears to be headed toward N. America will be hit with a high energy DE laser. They are mounted in satellites, on ships, in aircraft, and on other platforms. My point is the semi-main, soon to be main stream media appears to be conditioning the sheeple to fear another doom presentation. A very effective way to fast track agenda 21. |
curiousleo74
User ID: 27432234 United States 03/13/2013 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. March 13 2013 Quoting: ~Andariel~ Please read this PDF file I found...Report of the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack. [link to www.globalsecurity.org] I wrote this little abstract for GLP because knowledge is power. Electro-magnetic pulse or EMP in short can be achieved in 2 ways, by nuclear and by non-nuclear means. Due to the greater threat I will mostly cover the nuclear scenario. There is another way for EMPs to form and that is by solar storms but since its a natural process I will not cover this scenario here. All nuclear explosions can create EMP's but there are several factors that determine the strength of an EMP burst. If you say the yield of the bomb makes all the difference, you are deadly wrong. The main factor is the altitude of the explosion and after dozens of tests by the USA and Russia back in the late 50' and early 60', they have determined that a 300 miles high detonation would be the most effective. If the explosion is within the atmosphere or too far out in space then there would be little to no EMP effect. This is due to the way an EMP is formed, our Magnetosphere is the key for an EMP to be effective here. The strength of the magnetosphere at the moment of the explosion is another factor. I will now go into details regarding the actual formation of an EMP. Nuclear EMPs creates a complex multi-pulses and are made up of 3 components and they are called E1, E2 and E3. The E1 pulse occurs very fast, in the order of nanoseconds, and is produced when gamma radiation from the detonation knocks electrons out of atoms in the upper atmosphere. the free electrons then travel in a downward direction at close to the speed of light but here is where the magic happens. As the electrons travel downwards they are captured by Earth's magnetic field and are re-directed in a right angle flow, following the magnetosphere field lines. This causes the EMP to "spread" out a lot further than in the absence of a magnetic field. In short, the interaction with the Earth's magnetic field produces a very large but very brief electromagnetic pulse over the affected area. This is known as the Compton effect and the results are devastating for even the most shielded electronic apparatuses. E1 can be measured in the order of hundreds of KeV's (100,000 electron volts plus) and up to 2 MeV (million electron volts) which was achieved in a 1.44 megaton experimental detonation back in 1962 in the high-altitude test code named "Operation fishbowl" The E2 pulse is generated by scattering gamma rays produced by the weapon neutrons. It lasts a bit longer and behaves like lightning therefore lighting protection devices have a better chance to do their intended jobs. The main problem is the fact that E2 immediately follows E1 which may have already damaged surge protection devices thus leaving the door wide open for E2 to destroy the protected apparatuses. The E3 pulse is quite different from the first 2, it is very slow and can last 100's of seconds due to it moving the Earth magnetic field out of the way, followed by its restoration to its natural place. E3 acts like a Geomagnetic storm and induces currents in long electrical conductors such as high voltage wires and transformers. Remember when North Korea conducted those underground tests and US intelligence detected only low yield nuclear explosion? In the order of 3-5 kilotons? Some engineers thought they were failed nuclear detonations but other suspected that they actually were “Super EMP's". Again, I reiterate that to produce an EMP large enough to disable a nation, bigger is not necessarily better. North Korea has only to launch 1 of these in orbit and then guide it above the USA and its game over. Here is an old article I found that substantiates my claim. “Super EMP” Capable of Disabling Power Grid Across Lower 48 States. "For many years U.S. Intelligence agencies believed that North Korea’s nuclear weapons program was a failure due to the low explosive yield of their tests. According to EMPact America’s President and former CIA nuclear weapons analyst Dr. Peter Vincent Pry, this is not the case: North Korea’s last round of tests, conducted in May 2009, appear to have included a “super-EMP” weapon, capable of emitting enough gamma rays to disable the electric power grid across most of the lower 48 states, says Dr. Peter Vincent Pry, a former CIA nuclear weapons analyst and president of EMPact America, a citizens lobbying group." [link to www.shtfplan.com] China makes our power grids,we're fuked if this happens. Life's a journey not a destination,how high can you fly with broken wings |
Children of the Atom
User ID: 20257839 United States 03/13/2013 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. Good info. What they fail to mention though are the EMP shielded, heavy alloy, orbital bombardment satellites that would reign down unstoppable wrath upon the perpetrator. Should anyone be foolish enough to attempt such shenanigans. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17938575 Perhaps however only 1 EMP device is enough to kill our way of life. Once it detonates its all over. Nope, when that happens... 'humanity' will move to the next level. WW3 & Mad Max type scenario and etc. And once that is all said and done 'NWO'. |
~Andariel~
(OP) User ID: 32004531 Canada 03/13/2013 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. EMP's aren't as effective as you think. They definitely disrupt electronics, but a lot of stuff will be ok, and even more will come back online shorty after. Hawaii came back online after starfish prime, and very few electronics were permanently damaged. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22151483 That EMP detonation test occurred slightly over 1400 miles away form Hawaii. And in the early 60's solid state technology was not as ubiquitous as it is today. Google it. Last Edited by ~Andariel~ on 03/13/2013 08:11 PM Space, the final frontier...or is it? Knowledge is power |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5366990 United States 03/13/2013 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. NK has shit, I get his Majesty, Cheney and Bush but a bomb? Get a Country and a life! When they work together! Call on the Quenn, wait for Henry or Kate, ya know the girl, Not preggers and the boi who will take the throne. Mark my words, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5366990 Kate is not pregnant and Henry will take the crown. a simple reading on my palm. A whisper and it is gone like a leaf or a simple butterfly wing. Harry will take the crown. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5366990 United States 03/13/2013 08:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. NK has shit, I get his Majesty, Cheney and Bush but a bomb? Get a Country and a life! When they work together! Call on the Quenn, wait for Henry or Kate, ya know the girl, Not preggers and the boi who will take the throne. Mark my words, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5366990 Kate is not pregnant and Henry will take the crown. a simple reading on my palm. A whisper and it is gone like a leaf or a simple butterfly wing. Harry will take the crown. An emp strike will not be those favour. |
DGN
User ID: 34798113 United States 03/13/2013 09:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. "And when he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say: “Come!” 8 And I saw, and, look! a pale horse; and the one seated upon it had the name Death. And Ha′des was closely following him. And authority was given them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with a long sword and with food shortage and with deadly plague and by the wild beasts of the earth." Rv6:7 |
DGN
User ID: 34798113 United States 03/13/2013 09:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. The combines would stop harvesting, the food delivery trucks would be dead on the highway. Within a week or two the canned food would be gone. Guess what the final currency would be. Quoting: DGN "And when he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say: “Come!” 8 And I saw, and, look! a pale horse; and the one seated upon it had the name Death. And Hades was closely following him. And authority was given them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with a long sword and with food shortage and with deadly plague and by the wild beasts of the earth." Rv6:7 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1333034 Netherlands 03/14/2013 06:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. YOU idiots and your fucking nanobots and other exotic bullshit. EMP is the perfect weapon, it can be implemented essentially anonymously and it will lead to wholesale death and destruction and leave the majority of the infrastructure intact or repairable by those with the means to do it, and it wont even make a noise or disturb the dust on the ground. Those affeced will kill one another off for free, leaving the perps to watch in comfort and wait. Most of you are stupid enough to forget that in the end WAR is played by most of the rest of the world as an EXTERMINATION OF THE ENEMY event, and not meals on wheels. The reason those that poopoo this as an inevitability pretend that others dont want to kill off their enemy in order to take what they wan from them |
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T-Cain
Top Hat User ID: 34857910 United States 03/14/2013 06:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. I'm buying a book soon called 'One Second After', its about a man and his survival as soon as the emp hits. It was recommended that all Americans read it since it could very well happen, and gives some good survival tips. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30024377 Alas Babylon is even better. Both are great books when read back to back. |
EMPerror
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NicolasDeck
User ID: 33257851 United States 03/14/2013 08:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. Here's another book that some of you might find interesting... A Nation Forsaken: EMP: The Escalating Threat of an American Catastrophe by F. Michael Maloof [link to www.amazon.com] When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout. |
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Surfbum25
User ID: 36136304 United States 03/14/2013 04:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. Andariel, do you mind if I quote what you have written here and use it to spread the word? I will quote your name as it appears here and the text of your original post, and not link back to this site, unless thats cool. I use my facebook account only for an outlet of my views and opinions, with very few personal posts, and would love to post this as a 'note' on my timeline and try to open a few eyes with it. Just didnt want to do it without at least giving the respect of asking first. Thanks ahead. |