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EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it.

 
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The sad fact of the matter is that there is not one valid or tested method by which to protect your small electronics, the popular belief that a simple metal box is protective may be a misconception. Someone on this board knows and is so very kind to keep silent about any real functional details.
The fact that there is nobody in a position of knowledge that will address the protection of simple survival electronics such as radios and testing devices. Without a functioning radio or a VOM or other survival or repair electronics nothings going to get much above the stone age.
Testing gets done regarding what works and what doesnt but none of that information gets to the people in order to defend themselves, the lack of information is institutionalized intentional passive aggressive neglect and there should be a whirlwind to be reaped for those that knew and said nothing.
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Vacuum tubes are safe from EMP, so you might want to learn about them...also your microwave oven is a Faraday cage which can protect from an EMP, although you will probably not have any warning...
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The cord on a microwave has to be removed in order for it to be effective. Based on what I read, the cord serves as an antennae if it's still attached. A metal garbage can work and needs to be lined with cardboard and the contents wrapped in plastic, then aluminum foil, will/can work providing there is no access.

Tell me if this is incorrect. I have been doing some reading with all that is taking place in this stinking world!

What is the deal with vacuum tubes?
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Yeah, it is more complicated that just tossing your phone in a microwave, but with putting the idea in people's heads it will lead to the serious ones doing the research...and in the case of EMPs tin foil "hats" will certainly help :)

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Vacuum tubes are safe from EMP, so you might want to learn about them...also your microwave oven is a Faraday cage which can protect from an EMP, although you will probably not have any warning...
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And you would plug that microwave into....? A blown circuit?
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Vacuum tubes are safe from EMP, so you might want to learn about them...also your microwave oven is a Faraday cage which can protect from an EMP, although you will probably not have any warning...
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And you would plug that microwave into....? A blown circuit?
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You don't plug it into anything, you use it as a Faraday cage.
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Vacuum tubes are safe from EMP, so you might want to learn about them...also your microwave oven is a Faraday cage which can protect from an EMP, although you will probably not have any warning...
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And you would plug that microwave into....? A blown circuit?
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Plug in??? Catch up eh?

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I live in a natural faraday cage. A well grounded trailer house. Got a portable generator, too. And with the weather warming up things are all good.
Go trailer trash!!!!
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I live in a natural faraday cage. A well grounded trailer house. Got a portable generator, too. And with the weather warming up things are all good.
Go trailer trash!!!!
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Are there metal screens over each window as well?
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can the military still fire nukes? from a sub? if so i guess a nuke war would follow anyway. Conventional nuke war gets you off guard while an emp provoked war would be people aware and just sayong'' im cold!", "dont worry you wont be in a minute".
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Yes, I believe subs and oversea nuclear installation are whats making NK think long and hard.
Those platforms would be out of the EMP range.

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of course the subs are immune, even on the surface the hull of a sub itself is EMP proof. most of our navy, and aircraft, are also EMP hardened. the military, in all respects, is very well prepared for an EMP as we've been getting ready for EMP effects since the 60's. our silos, aircraft hangers, etc, would also block the emp. it's the rest of the country, the civilians, who are up shit creek without so much as a spoon to paddle with.
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can the military still fire nukes? from a sub? if so i guess a nuke war would follow anyway. Conventional nuke war gets you off guard while an emp provoked war would be people aware and just sayong'' im cold!", "dont worry you wont be in a minute".
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Yes, I believe subs and oversea nuclear installation are whats making NK think long and hard.
Those platforms would be out of the EMP range.

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of course the subs are immune, even on the surface the hull of a sub itself is EMP proof. most of our navy, and aircraft, are also EMP hardened. the military, in all respects, is very well prepared for an EMP as we've been getting ready for EMP effects since the 60's. our silos, aircraft hangers, etc, would also block the emp. it's the rest of the country, the civilians, who are up shit creek without so much as a spoon to paddle with.
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Good info. What they fail to mention though are the EMP shielded, heavy alloy, orbital bombardment satellites that would reign down unstoppable wrath upon the perpetrator. Should anyone be foolish enough to attempt such shenanigans.
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yeah like these guys are not already livin inthe dark ages.
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All the comfort of assuming retaliation disappears if a launch occurs from some tramp freighter at sea. IT wouldnt be the first time an unknown covert launch took place of the US coast.
Those last 10 minutes of the space age are going to be all the time left to try and find out the source, and the current regime will not be likely to retaliate unless they had a clear chain of responsiblility, there are many nations that would like to see the US destroyed, and a few of them are alleged allies with a history and an operating system of deception and false flags
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can the military still fire nukes? from a sub? if so i guess a nuke war would follow anyway. Conventional nuke war gets you off guard while an emp provoked war would be people aware and just sayong'' im cold!", "dont worry you wont be in a minute".
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Yes, I believe subs and oversea nuclear installation are whats making NK think long and hard.
Those platforms would be out of the EMP range.

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If something like NK lobbing munitions this way happens, NK is betting our current Commander in Chief would not retaliate.

Which, sadly, I see as possible.
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Good info. What they fail to mention though are the EMP shielded, heavy alloy, orbital bombardment satellites that would reign down unstoppable wrath upon the perpetrator. Should anyone be foolish enough to attempt such shenanigans.
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Perhaps however only 1 EMP device is enough to kill our way of life. Once it detonates its all over.
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that's a fact.
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I'm buying a book soon called 'One Second After', its about a man and his survival as soon as the emp hits. It was recommended that all Americans read it since it could very well happen, and gives some good survival tips.
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Is this the one?

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I'm sure that North Korea knows that if they tried that shit their country would be obliterated.

So why would they?
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Truth and very deadly scenario.

There is a DPRK satellite up there and who knows if that is what some fear it is.


Being a very capable weapon system, I can assure everyone the US Military, especially the Navy, has numerous retaliation scenarios and Kim knows them.

What do you get with a Nation that controlled global oil sales with their currency (massive wealth) and the technologies and science from Tesla, you get super weapons some can't even comprehend.


NK will become ash if they attack the West and they know it. Bring it on bitches, we loose power, they die in nuclear holocaust!
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All the comfort of assuming retaliation disappears if a launch occurs from some tramp freighter at sea. IT wouldnt be the first time an unknown covert launch took place of the US coast.
Those last 10 minutes of the space age are going to be all the time left to try and find out the source, and the current regime will not be likely to retaliate unless they had a clear chain of responsiblility, there are many nations that would like to see the US destroyed, and a few of them are alleged allies with a history and an operating system of deception and false flags
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Agreed, launching something to a mere 300 miles altitude is a feat that most nations can accomplish with ease these days.
As far as finding who the culprit is, it is fairly easy to do because of the "signature" the explosion would leave.
Engineers have a way to find out such things.

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I'm sure that North Korea knows that if they tried that shit their country would be obliterated.

So why would they?
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because china thinks theyre fucking with us by stirring shit up.
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Good info. What they fail to mention though are the EMP shielded, heavy alloy, orbital bombardment satellites that would reign down unstoppable wrath upon the perpetrator. Should anyone be foolish enough to attempt such shenanigans.
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In theory yes, but legally no. It is illegal to weaponize space atm.
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if suddenly............... your landline doesn't work,....and your cell phone doesn't work,............and your electricity is out..............and there are no stations on the radio..........


and some people's cars work but many don't,


it is either an EMP or the killshot, but with the killshot you should get solar effects that you can see or feel.
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All the comfort of assuming retaliation disappears if a launch occurs from some tramp freighter at sea. IT wouldnt be the first time an unknown covert launch took place of the US coast.
Those last 10 minutes of the space age are going to be all the time left to try and find out the source, and the current regime will not be likely to retaliate unless they had a clear chain of responsiblility, there are many nations that would like to see the US destroyed, and a few of them are alleged allies with a history and an operating system of deception and false flags
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Agreed, launching something to a mere 300 miles altitude is a feat that most nations can accomplish with ease these days.
As far as finding who the culprit is, it is fairly easy to do because of the "signature" the explosion would leave.
Engineers have a way to find out such things.

 Quoting: ~Andariel~


At that altitude, it would be a long time before they can isolate the radioactive particles from the blast. Among a nation in serious perile, it won't matter. Every enemy known to the US will get smacked in 1 way or another.

Then Israel has the Sampson Option should they feel like they are going down.

Then all the nuke plants spent fuel pools melt down.

We all would be fucked either way.
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Skip to 4:33 if you want.

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All the comfort of assuming retaliation disappears if a launch occurs from some tramp freighter at sea. IT wouldnt be the first time an unknown covert launch took place of the US coast.
Those last 10 minutes of the space age are going to be all the time left to try and find out the source, and the current regime will not be likely to retaliate unless they had a clear chain of responsiblility, there are many nations that would like to see the US destroyed, and a few of them are alleged allies with a history and an operating system of deception and false flags
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1333034


Agreed, launching something to a mere 300 miles altitude is a feat that most nations can accomplish with ease these days.
As far as finding who the culprit is, it is fairly easy to do because of the "signature" the explosion would leave.
Engineers have a way to find out such things.

 Quoting: ~Andariel~


Whatever happened with this incident?

from: November 9th, 2010
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A signature take time and resources to get, and it may be a challenge to get samples when your nation is in the stone age and other priorities take over, and you can bet your ass that Dear Leader and friends will be hiding underground ordering krystal and noshing on tasty treats while getting waited on hand and foot.
Underground testing may make it difficult to get an isotopic fingerprint, and there is likely sharing of technology and supplies with the current club participants
I dont think theres enough interest in pursuing a chain of custody back to the perpetrator exists in the current regime, although they may have made arrangement to send thanks for destroying the white devil european culture for them.
Why most of the posted appraisals of the after effects assume even some degree of intact infrastructure is a mystery to me when the current situation is such where multiple parties are waiting for shit to go bad to get it on with some other party they hate.
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All the comfort of assuming retaliation disappears if a launch occurs from some tramp freighter at sea. IT wouldnt be the first time an unknown covert launch took place of the US coast.
Those last 10 minutes of the space age are going to be all the time left to try and find out the source, and the current regime will not be likely to retaliate unless they had a clear chain of responsiblility, there are many nations that would like to see the US destroyed, and a few of them are alleged allies with a history and an operating system of deception and false flags
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Agreed, launching something to a mere 300 miles altitude is a feat that most nations can accomplish with ease these days.
As far as finding who the culprit is, it is fairly easy to do because of the "signature" the explosion would leave.
Engineers have a way to find out such things.

 Quoting: ~Andariel~


The only issue with using the Nuclear Signature from the fallout is this:

Soviet Collapse.

So many weapons have been moved from what used to be the USSR to other countries (SOLD), that you're going to get a false positive pointing at Putin. The ONLY way you get to know who hit you is if you're able to track the trajectory.

C'mon now....
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I'm buying a book soon called 'One Second After', its about a man and his survival as soon as the emp hits. It was recommended that all Americans read it since it could very well happen, and gives some good survival tips.
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I read this book. It is really really scary
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I read it as well and thought the author left out the most important life-saving information that anyone in the Public Health Department is aware of.

How to safely dispose of human waste : cremate dead bodies - don't expend time or energy burying them : immediately start community gardens : smoke all frozen meat so that it can be safely preserved for stews later on rather then cooking everything immediately : don't eat the horses or cattle as they are needed for manure that goes into the gardens, transportation (moving carts and tillers for plowing) and to produce a variety of dairy products (milk, cheese, yogurt, butter, etc.). That book had meat eaters who just didn't fathom how to live differently.

The book would have been more of an educational tool if the write also included some tips other characters who were prepers who had a home made Faraday cage built out of a metal garbage can with lid lined in cardboard. In it some electronics (walkie talkies, portable ham radio, laptop with thumb drives loaded with survival info, batteries, etc) can be safely stored.

All stuff that is easily obtainable before tshtf.

Another important item is clean water: bleach and a water filter are essentials. Then there are methods to collect rainfall which need to be incorporated.

Sanitation, sanitation, sanitation is critical. Remember all the folks stuck in apartments pooping in the hallways. Plastic lined trash bins with a toilet seat is good for #2 and #1 can always go down the drain. Frequently places where the water needs to be pumped into the home will come to a standstill when the power goes out. Kitty litter is an option to keep the smell down. Ash (lye) and sawdust also work. This needs to be buried far away from any water source (well, spring, creek, etc).

And it is always helpful to have a 3 month supply of meds one takes regularly on hand.

This house has a 10,000 gallon water cistern that collects rainwater. This is enough water to handle all the needs of everyone for 3 months. However the water has to be pumped into the house so electricity is needed to handle that. In storage is a wind mill and generator for the just in case situation. When without electricity for days from a storm the one thing that was missed the most was water. There are a couple of 5 gallon free standing water dispensers in the house along with a Big Berkey gravity fed water filter.

Ongoing problem with food storage is how to keep if free of bugs. Glass mason jars with screw on lids and those large plastic dog food containers with snap on lids seem to work the best.

Probably this biggest problem after the essentials is animal feed. Good luck with that one. We knew this one person who died in the bathtub and the cats fed on her.

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All the comfort of assuming retaliation disappears if a launch occurs from some tramp freighter at sea. IT wouldnt be the first time an unknown covert launch took place of the US coast.
Those last 10 minutes of the space age are going to be all the time left to try and find out the source, and the current regime will not be likely to retaliate unless they had a clear chain of responsiblility, there are many nations that would like to see the US destroyed, and a few of them are alleged allies with a history and an operating system of deception and false flags
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1333034


Agreed, launching something to a mere 300 miles altitude is a feat that most nations can accomplish with ease these days.
As far as finding who the culprit is, it is fairly easy to do because of the "signature" the explosion would leave.
Engineers have a way to find out such things.

 Quoting: ~Andariel~


The only issue with using the Nuclear Signature from the fallout is this:

Soviet Collapse.

So many weapons have been moved from what used to be the USSR to other countries (SOLD), that you're going to get a false positive pointing at Putin. The ONLY way you get to know who hit you is if you're able to track the trajectory.

C'mon now....
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The poster above me made a good point regarding the possible launch from a sea bound freighter.
In that case we would certainly know where it came from but not from whom.

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Just remember that most missile defense dont take place during the boost phase of launch, they are designed to retaliate on the descent phase, and this is problematic when there is no descent phase.
Depending on the missile, it will take 5 to 10 to get to minutes optimal altitude and any missiles sent against it will not be able to catch up in time
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Just remember that most missile defense dont take place during the boost phase of launch, they are designed to retaliate on the descent phase, and this is problematic when there is no descent phase.
Depending on the missile, it will take 5 to 10 to get to minutes optimal altitude and any missiles sent against it will not be able to catch up in time
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That, my friend, is the scariest part...
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