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EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it.

 
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I'm buying a book soon called 'One Second After', its about a man and his survival as soon as the emp hits. It was recommended that all Americans read it since it could very well happen, and gives some good survival tips.
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I haven't read any of the info you provided because I have a fairly good idea of the devastation this would bring on us.


This thread irritates me for the same reason the series "24" did.

Geeeeeeez .. why give them a play by play how debilitating it would be.

This thread should be locked with security clearance mandatory for anyone wanting to get in. uhohgaahcry
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Hello AW.
Everything I posted here is readily available on the internet.
I just put the proverbial "pieces" together.
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I did not know that brief , thank you! To bad a car can't fit in a microwave oven? bump
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An old points model car can quickly be repaired and ready to drive if you keep spare parts protected...








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Roger that ! To bad I sold that " 72" GMC !
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No doubt! Those were the good Ol days! Great show!
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Vacuum tubes are safe from EMP, so you might want to learn about them...also your microwave oven is a Faraday cage which can protect from an EMP, although you will probably not have any warning...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Not like you might think.

If you are in an area with a good cell phone signal, put your cell phone in the microwave oven, then close the door and call that phone.

What I found was that the phone began to ring.....so radiation was getting thru...
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If you are reliant on a red-dot for your rifle, may I recommend buying a back-up scope
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my thoughts exactly. good old fashion irons will never let you down.

the trijicon reflex series and the mepro's are a good option too.

human's, as a species, suck are preparing for low probability - high impact scenarios.
"the thin veneer of civilization that we all take for granted every day is starting to rapidly disappear."
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I think poeple get pissed off when they read these types of threads because there forced to look at all they cannot control? The threat is real? Doent mean it will happen? However it is a card on the table!
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Vacuum tubes are safe from EMP, so you might want to learn about them...also your microwave oven is a Faraday cage which can protect from an EMP, although you will probably not have any warning...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Not like you might think.

If you are in an area with a good cell phone signal, put your cell phone in the microwave oven, then close the door and call that phone.

What I found was that the phone began to ring.....so radiation was getting thru...
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There's a reason why people with pacemakers aren't supposed to be near a microwave...EMPs are nasty, but any protection is better than no protection.
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We're not that lucky, now get back to work
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Vacuum tubes are safe from EMP, so you might want to learn about them...also your microwave oven is a Faraday cage which can protect from an EMP, although you will probably not have any warning...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Not like you might think.

If you are in an area with a good cell phone signal, put your cell phone in the microwave oven, then close the door and call that phone.

What I found was that the phone began to ring.....so radiation was getting thru...
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Hhmmmmm??? If the phone did work? Nothing else does? Bottom line? This is a total shtf type situation! It makes your brain hurt! Poeple are so freindly these days to? I mean just read the posts on GLP? Theres so much love in the world right now :)
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I think poeple get pissed off when they read these types of threads because there forced to look at all they cannot control? The threat is real? Doent mean it will happen? However it is a card on the table!
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Lets call North Korea the wild card, we can at least agree to that. It is unnerving to know that they have the tech to destroy our electrical infrastructures.
Its like Damocles sword, always hanging by a tiny tread above our heads
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I can build anything we need that's EMP proof, I'm not worried...




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BTW, that's just an example, I have no idea who that dude is...

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Vacuum tubes are safe from EMP, so you might want to learn about them...also your microwave oven is a Faraday cage which can protect from an EMP, although you will probably not have any warning...
 Quoting: BRIEF


I did not know that brief , thank you! To bad a car can't fit in a microwave oven? bump
 Quoting: GT500


An old points model car can quickly be repaired and ready to drive if you keep spare parts protected...


 Quoting: BRIEF


But no gas stations will be in service
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I think poeple get pissed off when they read these types of threads because there forced to look at all they cannot control? The threat is real? Doent mean it will happen? However it is a card on the table!
 Quoting: GT500


Lets call North Korea the wild card, we can at least agree to that. It is unnerving to know that they have the tech to destroy our electrical infrastructures.
Its like Damocles sword, always hanging by a tiny tread above our heads
.
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Yes mam I agree, were stocked, locked, and ready to rock to best of our ability! macgun
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Vacuum tubes are safe from EMP, so you might want to learn about them...also your microwave oven is a Faraday cage which can protect from an EMP, although you will probably not have any warning...
 Quoting: BRIEF


I did not know that brief , thank you! To bad a car can't fit in a microwave oven? bump
 Quoting: GT500


An old points model car can quickly be repaired and ready to drive if you keep spare parts protected...


 Quoting: BRIEF


But no gas stations will be in service
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36087113


Carbureted engines with forged pistons can handle alcohol, and building a still is no problem...
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Vacuum tubes are safe from EMP, so you might want to learn about them...also your microwave oven is a Faraday cage which can protect from an EMP, although you will probably not have any warning...
 Quoting: BRIEF


I did not know that brief , thank you! To bad a car can't fit in a microwave oven? bump
 Quoting: GT500


An old points model car can quickly be repaired and ready to drive if you keep spare parts protected...


 Quoting: BRIEF


But no gas stations will be in service
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Yes sir ! A chainsaw with no gas situation? Great! Its a paper weight now!
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Vacuum tubes are safe from EMP, so you might want to learn about them...also your microwave oven is a Faraday cage which can protect from an EMP, although you will probably not have any warning...
 Quoting: BRIEF


I did not know that brief , thank you! To bad a car can't fit in a microwave oven? bump
 Quoting: GT500


An old points model car can quickly be repaired and ready to drive if you keep spare parts protected...


 Quoting: BRIEF


But no gas stations will be in service
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Uh, you don't think someone will rig a hand pump? But, were I a station operator, I wouldn't be selling gas. The price would be going WAY up because I would know I would not be getting anymore gas for a VERY long time.
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Some one through up " a country boy can survive" lol
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I did not know that brief , thank you! To bad a car can't fit in a microwave oven? bump
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An old points model car can quickly be repaired and ready to drive if you keep spare parts protected...


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But no gas stations will be in service
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Uh, you don't think someone will rig a hand pump? But, were I a station operator, I wouldn't be selling gas. The price would be going WAY up because I would know I would not be getting anymore gas for a VERY long time.
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I have hand operated rotary pumps with sections of pipe that can be added as needed, and they are gasoline and kerosine safe.
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This thread irritates me for the same reason the series "24" did.

Geeeeeeez .. why give them a play by play how debilitating it would be.
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Just imagine how debilitating the hundred-million megatons of retalliation we send back at them will be.
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Some one through up " a country boy can survive" lol
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This thread irritates me for the same reason the series "24" did.

Geeeeeeez .. why give them a play by play how debilitating it would be.
 Quoting: Angelic_Warrior


Just imagine how debilitating the hundred-million megatons of retalliation we send back at them will be.
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Glass parking lots come to mind....
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^^^^^^^ aces
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I'm buying a book soon called 'One Second After', its about a man and his survival as soon as the emp hits. It was recommended that all Americans read it since it could very well happen, and gives some good survival tips.
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Bought the book 6 mos ago. Haven't cracked it open yet.
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Basically it says the people who are prepared are going to bone your wife every time you need water or food.
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Some one through up " a country boy can survive" lol
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Greatest song ever! Every one makes fun of hicks! Uuhh? Until you need one?
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What was the orbiting altitude of NK's recent satellite?

Wondering if that was a test run...

Now listen this doesn't mean I think anything will happen.. because as we all know.. nothing ever friggen happens..
But still worth a thought
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March 13 2013

Please read this PDF file I found...Report of the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from
Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack.

[link to www.globalsecurity.org]

I wrote this little abstract for GLP because knowledge is power.


Electro-magnetic pulse or EMP in short can be achieved in 2 ways, by nuclear and by non-nuclear means.
Due to the greater threat I will mostly cover the nuclear scenario. There is another way for EMPs to form and that is by solar storms but since its a natural process I will not cover this scenario here.


:EMP1:

All nuclear explosions can create EMP's but there are several factors that determine the strength of an EMP burst. If you say the yield of the bomb makes all the difference, you are deadly wrong. The main factor is the altitude of the explosion and after dozens of tests by the USA and Russia back in the late 50' and early 60', they have determined that a 300 miles high detonation would be the most effective. If the explosion is within the atmosphere or too far out in space then there would be little to no EMP effect. This is due to the way an EMP is formed, our Magnetosphere is the key for an EMP to be effective here. The strength of the magnetosphere at the moment of the explosion is another factor.

:EMP3:

I will now go into details regarding the actual formation of an EMP.
Nuclear EMPs creates a complex multi-pulses and are made up of 3 components and they are called E1, E2 and E3.

The E1 pulse occurs very fast, in the order of nanoseconds, and is produced when gamma radiation from the detonation knocks electrons out of atoms in the upper atmosphere. the free electrons then travel in a downward direction at close to the speed of light but here is where the magic happens. As the electrons travel downwards they are captured by Earth's magnetic field and are re-directed in a right angle flow, following the magnetosphere field lines.
This causes the EMP to "spread" out a lot further than in the absence of a magnetic field. In short, the interaction with the Earth's magnetic field produces a very large but very brief electromagnetic pulse over the affected area. This is known as the Compton effect and the results are devastating for even the most shielded electronic apparatuses.


E1 can be measured in the order of hundreds of KeV's (100,000 electron volts plus) and up to 2 MeV (million electron volts) which was achieved in a 1.44 megaton experimental detonation back in 1962 in the high-altitude test code named "Operation fishbowl"

The E2 pulse is generated by scattering gamma rays produced by the weapon neutrons. It lasts a bit longer and behaves like lightning therefore lighting protection devices have a better chance to do their intended jobs. The main problem is the fact that E2 immediately follows E1 which may have already damaged surge protection devices thus leaving the door wide open for E2 to destroy the protected apparatuses.

:EMP2:

The E3 pulse is quite different from the first 2, it is very slow and can last 100's of seconds due to it moving the Earth magnetic field out of the way, followed by its restoration to its natural place.
E3 acts like a Geomagnetic storm and induces currents in long electrical conductors such as high voltage wires and transformers.


:powergr2:

Remember when North Korea conducted those underground tests and US intelligence detected only low yield nuclear explosion? In the order of 3-5 kilotons?
Some engineers thought they were failed nuclear detonations but other suspected that they actually were “Super EMP's".

Again, I reiterate that to produce an EMP large enough to disable a nation, bigger is not necessarily better. North Korea has only to launch 1 of these in orbit and then guide it above the USA and its game over.

Here is an old article I found that substantiates my claim.

“Super EMP” Capable of Disabling Power Grid Across Lower 48 States.


"For many years U.S. Intelligence agencies believed that North Korea’s nuclear weapons program was a failure due to the low explosive yield of their tests. According to EMPact America’s President and former

CIA nuclear weapons analyst Dr. Peter Vincent Pry, this is not the case: North Korea’s last round of tests, conducted in May 2009, appear to have included a “super-EMP” weapon,
capable of emitting enough gamma rays to disable the electric power grid across most of the lower 48 states,
says Dr. Peter Vincent Pry, a former CIA nuclear weapons analyst and president of EMPact America, a citizens lobbying group."

[link to www.shtfplan.com]
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Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it.
What was the orbiting altitude of NK's recent satellite?

Wondering if that was a test run...

Now listen this doesn't mean I think anything will happen.. because as we all know.. nothing ever friggen happens..
But still worth a thought
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Why do poeple always say that on GLP? Nothing ever happens? Our country is sinking into the ocean? Is that not happening? No Doom? Good God realy? 90 million in moms basement? Is that not doom enough?
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What was the orbiting altitude of NK's recent satellite?

Wondering if that was a test run...

Now listen this doesn't mean I think anything will happen.. because as we all know.. nothing ever friggen happens..
But still worth a thought
 Quoting: RelentlessDespot


Just looked it up.
The altitude of the satellite was 494Km.. it did fluctuate higher.. However translated to miles that is just a hair over 300 Miles.

That ladies and gentlemen is a big fat:

DOOM ON!!! 5a
but probably not
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What was the orbiting altitude of NK's recent satellite?

Wondering if that was a test run...

Now listen this doesn't mean I think anything will happen.. because as we all know.. nothing ever friggen happens..
But still worth a thought
 Quoting: RelentlessDespot


Just looked it up.
The altitude of the satellite was 494Km.. it did fluctuate higher.. However translated to miles that is just a hair over 300 Miles.

That ladies and gentlemen is a big fat:

DOOM ON!!! 5a
but probably not
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Lol, k
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What was the orbiting altitude of NK's recent satellite?

Wondering if that was a test run...

Now listen this doesn't mean I think anything will happen.. because as we all know.. nothing ever friggen happens..
But still worth a thought
 Quoting: RelentlessDespot


Why do poeple always say that on GLP? Nothing ever happens? Our country is sinking into the ocean? Is that not happening? No Doom? Good God realy? 90 million in moms basement? Is that not doom enough?
 Quoting: GT500


That made me rofl
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