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So It Begins: Turkey Warns Greece Against Oil Exploration In The Aegean, Turkish experts accuse Greece of illegally snatching 16 islands

 
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Seem we copy the Turks on that matter: Internal issues? No problem, let's export them.

I, since 2008, always believed that we would drag to war with Turkey over the continental shelf issue because of a financial collapse. I was expecting it in 2009 (we were really close), but happens now.
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Seem we copy the Turks on that matter: Internal issues? No problem, let's export them.

I, since 2008, always believed that we would drag to war with Turkey over the continental shelf issue because of a financial collapse. I was expecting it in 2009 (we were really close), but happens now.
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 24388155


Continental shelf conflict is inevitable at some point, the deposits are known since the late 60's, i'd prefer if we went for it while we were strong and not now, timing is bad imo.
Agreed, always a good tactic to rally the sheep with a national cause. But we should be careful imo, we've been dumped in Smyrna and Cyprus by the allies the last couple of times.

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Yes, this time however is different. It'll ultimately lead to a NATO-Russia conflict 'cos the interests in the area are just huge.

Also, don't forget that back in 1996 people didn't want to sacrifice their "well-being" for a... rock. This time, with millions of unemployed and broke (including myself), a war is somehow a "manna that fell from the sky", however brutal it sounds.
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Yes, this time however is different. It'll ultimately lead to a NATO-Russia conflict 'cos the interests in the area are just huge.

Also, don't forget that back in 1996 people didn't want to sacrifice their "well-being" for a... rock. This time, with millions of unemployed and broke (including myself), a war is somehow a "manna that fell from the sky", however brutal it sounds.
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Game is huge in the East Med, that's why i don't trust Greek politicians to handle such a situation and lead us in a potential conflict, especially politicians that led the country in the mess it is today with their actions and want to exploit this 'manna' for a possible atonement in the eyes of the Greek people. Dangerous games imo.

Polles eyxes aderfi, elpizo na breis ayto pou psaxneis. hf
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If it wasn't for that, I would've already fled the country and find a job in another country. But I'm not risking being stranded in a foreign country whilst there're tensions and havoc.

Plus Eurozone is bound to collapse. With Berlusconi's possible election, I guarantee you EU will fall apart.
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If it wasn't for that, I would've already fled the country and find a job in another country. But I'm not risking being stranded in a foreign country whilst there're tensions and havoc.

Plus Eurozone is bound to collapse. With Berlusconi's possible election, I guarantee you EU will fall apart.
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Eurozone potential collapse after German elections, but if Silvio does get elected and do half of what he's promising could happen sooner. Interesting times.
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The "new Mussolini" and the "new Hitler" elder Paisios was referring to.cool2

BTW, the Greek note verbale is being referred from Turkish Hurriyet newspaper

[link to translate.google.com]
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The "new Mussolini" and the "new Hitler" elder Paisios was referring to.cool2

BTW, the Greek note verbale is being referred from Turkish Hurriyet newspaper

[link to translate.google.com]
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Greek Orthodox approved, hehe. Thanks for link.
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have to go bro, sure thing it's just started. zzzz
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have to go bro, sure thing it's just started. zzzz
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Yep, more to come with this for sure.
Kalhnyxta bro. zzzz
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keep us posted, guys!
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keep us posted, guys!
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Will do Swin. cheers
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Within the Turkish continental shelf the surveys, Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs says

[link to translate.google.com]

siren2
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Within the Turkish continental shelf the surveys, Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs says

[link to translate.google.com]

siren2
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 17036828


Source in English:

Ankara rebuffed on Feb. 22 Greece’s complaint to the U.N. regarding Turkey’s decision to grant exploration permits to the country’s state-run oil researcher in the Eastern Mediterranean, saying it would also appeal to the U.N. in order to take “counter steps.”

[link to www.hurriyetdailynews.com]
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Within the Turkish continental shelf the surveys, Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs says

[link to translate.google.com]

siren2
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 17036828


no surprise there
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Hollande says he didn't came to Greece to sell weapons but to help and that energy deposits must first be found and then exploited according to the Law of the Sea and international law with France willing to help and cooperate in the exploitation. But he did some weapon selling too, besides the leasing of 2 frigates France is also offering 4 maritime patrol aircraft's for lease that Greek navy needs.
[link to translate.google.gr]
[link to translate.google.gr]
[link to translate.google.gr]

French Total interested in Greek Petroleum privatization and oil/natgas exploration in Greece, Cypriot Commerce Minister: TOTAL expected to begin drilling in Cyprus’ EEZ in 2014
[link to translate.google.gr]
[link to famagusta-gazette.com]

Greece has the right to conduct energy exploration in its territorial waters, Prime Minister Antonis Samaras said, pledging to seek an amicable solution with Turkey on the matter when he visits there in early March.
[link to www.bloomberg.com]

Greek Defense Minister met his Turkish counterpart: Inflammatory statements and continuous violations of airspace not helping toward better neighborliness and cooperation between the two countries
[link to translate.google.gr]

German Chancellor Merkel due in Turkey on Sunday
[link to www.todayszaman.com]

Turkey hopes new Greek Cyprus president won't be 'a joke'
[link to www.hurriyetdailynews.com]

Turkish navy offering cruises to Mykonos and other 6 Aegean islands.
[link to translate.google.gr]
[link to translate.google.gr]

Kastelorizo - Mediterranean Flashpoint?
[link to www.danielpipes.org]
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In other news...

Samaras sends a warning to Turkey during International Herald Tribune's conference

[link to translate.google.gr]

Balkan Doom on!
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In other news...

Samaras sends a warning to Turkey during International Herald Tribune's conference

[link to translate.google.gr]

Balkan Doom on!
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030


cheers for link bro.
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Seems they want to create a fuss just 2 weeks before the Greek-Turkish meeting.
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Seems they want to create a fuss just 2 weeks before the Greek-Turkish meeting.
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Seems like it, meeting will be interesting, lots of things on the table. US now wants to give us maritime patrol aircrafts too, lol, they denied one month ago when a navy general went to US, but since France offered some they decided to change their minds as it seems.
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I really want to hear something that was supposed to happen in 1995; Expansion of our territorial water from 6 to 12 nm.peace
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I really want to hear something that was supposed to happen in 1995; Expansion of our territorial water from 6 to 12 nm.peace
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That's casus belli, lol.cool2
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We have a say here in Greece: "Crooks' last resort is patriotism". Don't forget how "Metapolitefsi" came to Greece (hint: Turkish invasion in Cyprus).
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We have a say here in Greece: "Crooks' last resort is patriotism". Don't forget how "Metapolitefsi" came to Greece (hint: Turkish invasion in Cyprus).
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030


I'm a patriotic kind of guy too tbh, this is an indisputable sovereign right, i just want to be a bit of realist too at the same time, don't think it would be a good idea to have a potential conflict with anyone while we are on foreign economic and political supervision. Not that my opinion matters off course, because EU is desperate for alternative energy supply, other than Russian one, before the collapse takes place, so they're gonna push hard on this in the next few months. Tbh i think we're getting robbed without a single bit of negotiation, just handing the keys.
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Well, yeah, but don't forget what Giorgakis "Dumpo" Papandreou and Theodore "Whale" Pagkalos were saying about potential oil and natural gas reserves in the Greek peninsula. Or for so many years they're telling us "we don't have oil".

Yes, Europe is desperate for alternative energy supplies, especially after the Ukranian-Russian natgas fiasco.

Turkey however will never accept a solution other than co-sharing. Even if the "creditors" demand peaceful resolution, they won't get it.

A war actually might be the solution for our debt-writeoff, however brutal as it sounds.
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Well, yeah, but don't forget what Giorgakis "Dumpo" Papandreou and Theodore "Whale" Pagkalos were saying about potential oil and natural gas reserves in the Greek peninsula. Or for so many years they're telling us "we don't have oil".

Yes, Europe is desperate for alternative energy supplies, especially after the Ukranian-Russian natgas fiasco.

Turkey however will never accept a solution other than co-sharing. Even if the "creditors" demand peaceful resolution, they won't get it.

A war actually might be the solution for our debt-writeoff, however brutal as it sounds.
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030


Sounds a bit brutal tbh. damned
We can have a debt-writeoff with a military coup too.tounge
From an armaments perspective the current status quo that has the two countries in a comparable balance of power will only last for 2-3 years more, we're doomed after that.

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So, tommorow the Greek PM visits Istanbul to meet Erdogan. Countdown for dramatic escalations??
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So, tommorow the Greek PM visits Istanbul to meet Erdogan. Countdown for dramatic escalations??
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35433468


Tsup bro? cheers
Should be interesting for sure, dunno if it's gonna be dramatic though. EU parliament on March 12th votes for support of EEZ of EU countries.
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Well, seems March is (again) a crucial month for Greece.





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