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"The Fiscal Cliff is a Diversion from the Real Problem"

 
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I am seeing depression.
Great depression, worse than worse.

That's why they want everyones guns.
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Why can't your government just tell Fed to f*** off and cancel all debt. Start printing debt free notes.
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Why can't your government just tell Fed to f*** off and cancel all debt. Start printing debt free notes.
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Because they are in on the scam, and if they admitted to it, well lets not go there..........

There nothing anyone can do about it anyway,take care of your family and friends, there will be opportunity when the smoke clears for people with common sense. The planet is run by psychopaths, see Bolshevik Revolution and all that follows, as well as Fed Reserve, World Wars, Lincoln, JFK, Garfield, Rothchild, Rockerfeller, JP Morgan, Titantic/ Olympic, 9/11 real history it is quite frightening actually. The history taught in childrens school books is not reality, totally sick.
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The money does not exist, save for wall street numbers on a computer screen.
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"Helllllloooooo....."

*tapping screen*

"No one home?"
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sometimes we need time to let ANY information sink in.....level headed people don't go off half cocked
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Gotta destroy the old world ruling systems to bring in the Brave New World. ( ancient aliens gospel comes) Money what is money in a loving free energy world ruled by demi gods that give us supernatural tech? This is all pre planned. The Obama's of the world are simply doing their part to bring in this golden era. BEWARE of what you call GOOD!
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Hmm I'm watching Skyfall and they just used that term, 'brave new world'.




Idk just sayin
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It comes from the title of the book Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. It is an astonishingly fascinating read, however, none of us would ever want to live in such a world.

I suggest every read it as 'it' is what is coming up the pike...
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Yep, superpin the latest BS by Blackhawkie and only pin the really important threads.

Mod, I assume it was a fat finger mistake...
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"But what is striking about the current debate is how relatively small the (Fiscal Cliff) numbers are compared to those associated with the greater problems of systemic risk that could precipitate a financial collapse:

•The U.S. Government bond market bubble that has grown 55% to $16.38 trillion in the first 4 years of the Obama administration, a sum which is now 107% of U.S. GDP and equals the entire debt accumulated in the first 225 years of America’s history.

•The $220 trillion in U.S. derivatives exposure held by JP Morgan, Bank of America, Citibank and Goldman Sachs, a sum which amounts to 3.3 times the entire world Gross Domestic Product."
 Quoting: Designr317


And those handful of banks that hold the derivative positions also have seats on the fed and own the fed...

The derivatives are also used to suppress the true price of precious metals because as long as the us greenback still carries the perception of value and security it will be the asset class of choice for people looking to park money...

J.p. Morgan has massive shorts on silver and gold....most of it counterfeit and illegal....they short the price by flooding the markets with puts and shorting things llike Slv silver trust shares which doesn't have any physical ownership of any silver...it's just a paper instrument... A video game algo that we can trade with but not based in any reality...

As long as the usd is the worlds reserve premier currency this will continue to happen...and that is why us military is active in the world globally...to maintain that dominance...

But this can't go on forever regardless of the size of military might, the amount of digital dollars printed, it's a matter of simple pyshics...

Gravity always wins
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Harv3y Orgone gave an excellent interview with silver drs. He says when London runs out of gold, that's when the derivative market will collapse. He's guessing around march.

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"The fiscal cliff is a less a crisis than a creation..."
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Bingo! This is TOTALLY a creation of the PTB. No mention whatsoever about "fiscal cliff" until the DAY AFTER the election in November.

That day ALL the media were talking about it at the same time.

Check out Google Trends chart showing the spike in news headlines using the term "fiscal cliff" on November 7:
[link to www.google.com]
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Harv3y Orgone gave an excellent interview with silver drs. He says when London runs out of gold, that's when the derivative market will collapse. He's guessing around march.

I don'tknow how to pay a link on my phone. Sorry. 5*
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[link to www.silverdoctors.com]
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I am seeing depression.
Great depression, worse than worse.

That's why they want everyones guns.
 Quoting: stella stevens


Bingo. They KNOW this is coming. All they're doing now is delay delay delay until they can get everything in order. Militarization of police forces, drones, extending the National Defense Authorization Act so they can just do whatever they want without proper due process, getting their slime bag media puppets to drill into everyone's heads that guns are bad, etc etc.

This is ALL about the same thing & they've been working on it for years, way before Obama.
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Harv3y Orgone gave an excellent interview with silver drs. He says when London runs out of gold, that's when the derivative market will collapse. He's guessing around march.

I don'tknow how to pay a link on my phone. Sorry. 5*
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[link to www.silverdoctors.com]
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Thank you achf
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The bottom line is the fiscal cliff is a sideshow. The real problem is the staggering national debt Obama’s gigantic deficits have ballooned. As this debt continues to mount and interest rates start mean reverting away from their record lows, the federal interest expense will eventually grow to consume everything else. Merely reducing deficits won’t even make a dent in this problem, we need to see surpluses to pay down debt.

The class-warfare tax hikes the Democrats desperately want are only about an eighth the size of Obama’s annual deficits at best. And the Republicans are right do demand gigantic immediate cuts in the record levels of government spending. But sadly the likely outcome is nothing gets done, and the national debt keeps growing. This guarantees serious inflation as the Fed continues to monetize this crazy overspending.


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I am seeing depression.
Great depression, worse than worse.

That's why they want everyones guns.
 Quoting: stella stevens


Bingo. They KNOW this is coming. All they're doing now is delay delay delay until they can get everything in order. Militarization of police forces, drones, extending the National Defense Authorization Act so they can just do whatever they want without proper due process, getting their slime bag media puppets to drill into everyone's heads that guns are bad, etc etc.

This is ALL about the same thing & they've been working on it for years, way before Obama.
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How ironic
every time there is a tragedy involving guns - people line up to buy more guns and ammo.
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More:

"But what is striking about the current debate is how relatively small the (Fiscal Cliff) numbers are compared to those associated with the greater problems of systemic risk that could precipitate a financial collapse:

•The U.S. Government bond market bubble that has grown 55% to $16.38 trillion in the first 4 years of the Obama administration, a sum which is now 107% of U.S. GDP and equals the entire debt accumulated in the first 225 years of America’s history.

•The $220 trillion in U.S. derivatives exposure held by JP Morgan, Bank of America, Citibank and Goldman Sachs, a sum which amounts to 3.3 times the entire world Gross Domestic Product."
 Quoting: Designr317


Fools

They will be spending 220 trillion years swimming around in the Lake of Fire......and then some.
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DH: What’s going on now?

RB: People better pay close attention over the next few months. First, there won’t be any meaningful deal about the fiscal crisis. This is planned, I mean, the lack of deal is planned. In fact, it’s necessary to pave the way for what is in the short term agenda.

DH: Wait, you’re DHS—not some Wall Street insider.

RB: So you think they are separate agendas? That’s funny. The coming collapse of the U.S. dollar is a done deal. It’s been in the works for years—decades, and this is one of the most important cataclysmic events that DHS is preparing for. I almost think that DHS was created for that purpose alone, to fight Americans, not protect them, right here in America. But that’s not the only reason. There’s the gun issue too.




DH: There’s a lot here. Let’s take it step by step if you don’t mind.

RB: Okay, but I’m not going to give it to you in baby steps. Big boy steps. This is what I am hearing. Life for the average American is going to change significantly, and not the change people expect. First, DHS is preparing to work with police departments and the TSA to respond to civil uprisings that will happen when there is a financial panic. And there will be one, maybe as early as this spring, when the dollar won’t get you a gumball. I’m not sure what the catalyst will be, but I’ve heard rumblings about a derivatives crisis as well as an oil embargo. I don’t know, that’s not my department. But something is going to happen to collapse the dollar, which has been in the works since the 1990s. Now if it does not happen as soon as this, it’s because there are people, real patriots, who are working to prevent this, so it’s a fluid dynamic. But that doesn’t change the preparations.

And the preparations are these: DHS is prepositioning assets in strategic areas near urban centers all across the country. Storage depots. Armories. And even detainment facilities, known as FEMA camps. FEMA does not even know that the facilities are earmarked for detainment by executive orders, at least not in the traditional sense they were intended. By the way, people drive by some of these armories every day without even giving them a second look. Commercial and business real estate across the country are being bought up or leased for storage purposes. Very low profile.

Anyway, I am hearing that the plan from on high is to let the chaos play out for a while, making ordinary citizens beg for troops to be deployed to restore order. but it’s all organized to make them appear as good guys. That’s when the real head knocking will take place. We’re talking travel restrictions, which should not be a problem because gas will be rationed or unavailable. The TSA will be in charge of travel, or at least be a big part of it. They will be commissioned, upgraded from their current status.

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So funny, all this riot over pieces of paper. You know, life wasn't meant to be spent this way.

Little or big, it is paper. People spend their whole lives slaving for it and never take a minute to enjoy what living really means.

Its not fancy things or items. It's free. I do it everyday.
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It sure is nice having mom buy the groceries, eh genius?
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DH: What’s going on now?

RB: People better pay close attention over the next few months. First, there won’t be any meaningful deal about the fiscal crisis. This is planned, I mean, the lack of deal is planned. In fact, it’s necessary to pave the way for what is in the short term agenda.

DH: Wait, you’re DHS—not some Wall Street insider.

RB: So you think they are separate agendas? That’s funny. The coming collapse of the U.S. dollar is a done deal. It’s been in the works for years—decades, and this is one of the most important cataclysmic events that DHS is preparing for. I almost think that DHS was created for that purpose alone, to fight Americans, not protect them, right here in America. But that’s not the only reason. There’s the gun issue too.




DH: There’s a lot here. Let’s take it step by step if you don’t mind.

RB: Okay, but I’m not going to give it to you in baby steps. Big boy steps. This is what I am hearing. Life for the average American is going to change significantly, and not the change people expect. First, DHS is preparing to work with police departments and the TSA to respond to civil uprisings that will happen when there is a financial panic. And there will be one, maybe as early as this spring, when the dollar won’t get you a gumball. I’m not sure what the catalyst will be, but I’ve heard rumblings about a derivatives crisis as well as an oil embargo. I don’t know, that’s not my department. But something is going to happen to collapse the dollar, which has been in the works since the 1990s. Now if it does not happen as soon as this, it’s because there are people, real patriots, who are working to prevent this, so it’s a fluid dynamic. But that doesn’t change the preparations.

And the preparations are these: DHS is prepositioning assets in strategic areas near urban centers all across the country. Storage depots. Armories. And even detainment facilities, known as FEMA camps. FEMA does not even know that the facilities are earmarked for detainment by executive orders, at least not in the traditional sense they were intended. By the way, people drive by some of these armories every day without even giving them a second look. Commercial and business real estate across the country are being bought up or leased for storage purposes. Very low profile.

Anyway, I am hearing that the plan from on high is to let the chaos play out for a while, making ordinary citizens beg for troops to be deployed to restore order. but it’s all organized to make them appear as good guys. That’s when the real head knocking will take place. We’re talking travel restrictions, which should not be a problem because gas will be rationed or unavailable. The TSA will be in charge of travel, or at least be a big part of it. They will be commissioned, upgraded from their current status.

[link to www.canadafreepress.com]
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clappa
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There is a simple answer to CDS's which I posted back in 2008. All the players are known. Bank A tells Bank B it cannot pay off and returns the premium paid and this is extended all the way around the circle along with guarantees of no fraud allegations. In this way everyone is made whole and they are only out the measley premiums charged.
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The bottom line is the fiscal cliff is a sideshow.
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Yes KoFFee... a sideshow OR perhaps the setup of "the explanation" when TSHTF?

I mean, most folks aren't able to get their minds around all of this... so we are being provided a plausible explanation that diverts blame from the true perps.

The "Fiscal Cliff" is just information management.
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Watch this & understand it's all a "show".

They AREN'T interested in reaching an agreement!!!


"Sen. Reid To GOP: "At This Stage We're Not Able To Make A Counteroffer""

[link to www.realclearpolitics.com]


"McConnell reaches out to Biden, Reid steps back"

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]

"Leadership" you can believe in???

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YOU ARE CORRECT SIR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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First post, so please cut me some slack here.
I looked everywhere and I don't see where anyone has posted this yet.

This is chilling! Even more chilling than your first post on GLP!!

This ad nauseum mention of the "Fiscal Cliff" is NOTHING compared to what is most probably coming!!!

STOP looking at the Fiscal Cliff and see what's coming behind it.

[link to www.canadafreepress.com]

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"The fiscal cliff is a less a crisis than a creation that diverts the attention of policymakers, the media and the public away from the big picture abyss that threatens the United States and shifts focus to the smaller and more immediate tax and spending debate associated with the year-end expiration of the Bush tax cuts.

The central problem facing the U.S. that few understand is the growing systemic risk from the unsustainable trajectory of deficit spending and debt accumulation and the $225 trillion derivatives exposure largely held by a handful of U.S. banks that are too big to fail."
 Quoting: Designr317


WELL WHEN THE SHIT HITS THE FAN, YOU WILL FIND THE JEWS IN CONTROL OF THE WORLD, AND YOU THEIR SLAVE.
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Obama is hell bent on destroying the United States as soon as possible. We have been taken over by a radical Communist that makes Stalin look like child's play.

Republicans are trying to cope with no powers - and criticizing Boehner is like criticizing a lion for not hunting antelope because he's in a cage. So...the Republicans eat their own while Obama rubs his slimy hands together with an evil smirk.

Glenn Beck outlined what was going to happen a long time ago.

GLP'ers are like : It's the Illuminati, TPTB, red flag, hoax blah blah blah, anything but the fact we've been taken over by Communist radicals. It's much easier to "play" conspiracy theory than confront the truth.

Many of us are going to die, and soon. Either from violence from fellow Americans or under Obamacare. It will you and yours. Then everyone will be whining about how it's all Dick Cheney's fault, or some stupid ass thing until it's their turn to suffer, whereupon, on their deathbed, they will still be blaming Boehner or Romney or anybody who makes over $50,000 year. That's it.
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Diversions, diversions...you're absolutely right. This is an awesome response! We get hung up and stuck dealing with possibles and some out-there conspiracy idea that may, or may not be true when the truth can be a little more simple than that...and just as ugly. Meanwhile we waste our energies on unfruitful endeavors.

I'm a Christian, and so far it's been entirely a faith-walk. I read about prophecy and thought "some day, some day". Now it's headline news, and for me...believing is a snap anymore.

There is a reason why the US is not mentioned in the end times. Maybe this is it. Check out Revelations. All the dominoes are falling into place with amazing accuracy.


BTW and as a sidenote: I went to bed last night and my post was on page 9. Woke up this morning, and it was pinned (thank you!). Went to the dog park and came home to no pin, and back on page 5 or so. Is there a post or a thingy to read for newbies to figure all this out?

Or is it against the rules to go to the dogpark?
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So funny, all this riot over pieces of paper. You know, life wasn't meant to be spent this way.

Little or big, it is paper. People spend their whole lives slaving for it and never take a minute to enjoy what living really means.

Its not fancy things or items. It's free. I do it everyday.
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Love what u r saying. You are blessed to be able to know this is the important takeaway. Maybe someday we will be able to rise above the mire of filthy lucre.
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More:

"But what is striking about the current debate is how relatively small the (Fiscal Cliff) numbers are compared to those associated with the greater problems of systemic risk that could precipitate a financial collapse:

•The U.S. Government bond market bubble that has grown 55% to $16.38 trillion in the first 4 years of the Obama administration, a sum which is now 107% of U.S. GDP and equals the entire debt accumulated in the first 225 years of America’s history.

•The $220 trillion in U.S. derivatives exposure held by JP Morgan, Bank of America, Citibank and Goldman Sachs, a sum which amounts to 3.3 times the entire world Gross Domestic Product."
 Quoting: Designr317


And those handful of banks that hold the derivative positions also have seats on the fed and own the fed...

The derivatives are also used to suppress the true price of precious metals because as long as the us greenback still carries the perception of value and security it will be the asset class of choice for people looking to park money...

J.p. Morgan has massive shorts on silver and gold....most of it counterfeit and illegal....they short the price by flooding the markets with puts and shorting things llike Slv silver trust shares which doesn't have any physical ownership of any silver...it's just a paper instrument... A video game algo that we can trade with but not based in any reality...

As long as the usd is the worlds reserve premier currency this will continue to happen...and that is why us military is active in the world globally...to maintain that dominance...

But this can't go on forever regardless of the size of military might, the amount of digital dollars printed, it's a matter of simple pyshics...

Gravity always wins

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.......eventually.





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